Manila to Ban Tandem Riding
31
July
Here we go again.
After having just escaped the helmet sticker ordinance by the MMDA, newly elected Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim wants to ban tandem riding in the city of Manila.
From ABS-CBN Interactive
Motorcycle riders in tandem may soon be a thing of the past in Manila if Mayor Alfredo Lim will have his way.
Lim on Monday urged the city council to draft an ordinance that will prohibit having more than one rider on a motorcycle.
The mayor, dubbed “Dirty Harry” for his no-nonsense approach to criminals, said various crimes, including murders of activists and journalists, are committed by suspects riding tandem on motorcycles.
Lim said the proposed measure is better than the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority’s plan to require riders to post their motorcycle’s plate number on their helmets.
Oh brother when will this madness ever end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1. wtf?? | July 31st, 2007 at 5:13 pm
this really sucks. i just hope the councilors would dwell deeper about this issue. Why oh Why Mr. Lim? has age deteriorated his logical thinking? Is that the solution we expect to hear from aka dirty harry? dirty nga kung ganun! Rally na naman?
2. atreo_lionheart | July 31st, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Makati to keep closer eye on motorcycles next month…
Starting August 1, motorcycle riders may have to deal with more requirements other than putting stickers on their helmets when they pass through Makati City.
Radio station dzBB reported Thursday that the Makati City police will set up checkpoints in key streets and require motorcycle riders to register with them.
The move came amid howls of protest from motorcycle riders against an upcoming requirement by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) to place stickers on their helmets.
Both the measures from the MMDA and the Makati City police aim to curb crimes involving motorcycles as getaway vehicles.
Makati City police director Superintendent Gilbert Cruz noted that motorcycles had been used in many crimes in the city.
He said he has ordered his personnel to double-check all motorcycles passing through the city.
Cruz said the registration aims to create a database of sorts for a particular motorcycle and its rider. - GMANews.TV
- mukhang mas mabuti pa ang gagawin ni Binay na i-register ulit ang motor sa siyudad at lalagya ng sticker ng Makati Emblem…
3. Wolver888 | July 31st, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Oh boy, here we go again!
Tsk! I hope this can be resolved once again.
4. tsong boogie | July 31st, 2007 at 6:22 pm
hay naku tumtanda na yata si…….sino ba yung mayor ng maynila??????????ahhhhhhh si lim,limtek esta lintek naman yang naisip nya wala na syang ipapagawa kundi puro kagaguhan,una yung mga proyekto ni atienza pinagiba at pinabago nya e pera ng taong bayan ang ginastos dun ah!!!!!!tapos eto na naman………..hay hanggang kelan kaya matatpos ang mga ganitong patakaran,paano ko maipapasyal anak ko,asawa ko e ito lng ang saskyan namin,lim mag isip ka naman hindi lahat ng nakamotor kriminal,di ang kriminal e yung mga nakapatay na ng tao,e ikaw ilang tao na ba napaptay mo simula ng naging pulis ka e di ibig sabihin kriminal ka rin………naging senador ka pa naman………..hay buhay……….mukhang rally na naman!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Dandang | July 31st, 2007 at 8:38 pm
patuloy ang kalbaryo ng MC riders
6. penggul | July 31st, 2007 at 9:23 pm
bakit b ksi hindi nlang tanggalin lahat ng kotse!!!! at mag motor nlang kayo para maramdaman nyo ang sarap ng hangin habang bumabyahe at panigurado hihiwalayan nyo misis nyo!!!! wala nb katapusan toh.. o gumagawa lang kayo na pagkakakitaan ng mga syudad nyo???? maawa naman kyo sa amin kaya nga karamihan sa amin nag momotor sa kadahilanang nag titipid at ng sa gayuy makaipon para pang bayad ng buwisit este buwis!!! o kaya gawin nyo mura ang hulog sa kotse para mag kotse nalang kmi!!
peace out!!
7. Eagle1 | July 31st, 2007 at 9:32 pm
i think the solution here is very simple, if there are raising crimes with the use of motorcycles as get away vehicle, then PNP has to put more cops on motorcycles also, and have them very visible on the streets! have them stationed on strategic spots around the city. then when somebody reported a crime on a motorcycle, dispatch all of them to sweep the city on their motorcycles!
8. seattle | July 31st, 2007 at 10:16 pm
anak ng kulugo, i used to like this mayor pa naman. didn’t think he’s so narrow-minded. bakit ba ang tingin sa lahat ng mc riders e kriminal? napaka-unfair na tlga.. kelan matatapos ang kalbaryo nating mga riders? malamang na malamang welga na naman ito!
9. b_ground | July 31st, 2007 at 10:59 pm
bakit hindi nila pagtrabahuhin ang mga pulis nilang natutulog lang sa pansitan?
kung ginagawa lang nila ang kanilang trabaho nang maayos at walang halong pansariling kapakanan, mababawasan na’ng crime rate in every city…
i-mobilize nila’ng mga kapulisan… ‘yan ang solusyon, hindi ang mga walang kuwentang ordinance na pinaggagagawa nila
10. macdaddyjayr | July 31st, 2007 at 11:14 pm
So meaning parang NO freedom or let me say MARSHALL LAW all crimes are blame on us riders … so papano kung na kotse sila would they also blame the car drivers…. they should be fair.. hnd yung utak tulok… eh yung pera natin sa pinapapasweldo sa mga GOV. n mga ka pulisan saan nila ni lulustay … kailangan Pulis Visibility hnd yung pulis naka tago lng … kung ikaw mag nanakaw gagawa ka ba ng kalokohan kung may pulis kang nakita … common eklat lng diba…..
11. cyclonerider34 | July 31st, 2007 at 11:53 pm
tama yan sir macdaddyjayr.. mabuhay ang mga cruiser riderssss… dapat sa mga nag sasadgest ng puro katulukan eh sagasaan at kaladkadin.. para mlmn nila ang crime hmpppppp??? wala n tlga taung freedom mg MC RIDERS….. PAANO N TAU?????
12. cyclonerider34 | July 31st, 2007 at 11:56 pm
dapat atah tapucn n ang mga buhay ng mga nag sadgest nyan… ang pulis ay para sa kalsada at krimen dapt cla pakilucn… kaya LUMALAKI ANG MGA TYAN NG MGA BUWAYA N YAN EHH INIISPOILED NG DATING KURAKOT N PULIS DINNN CNO PA BA D C ALFREDO “KULUGO LIM>>>
13. circuit_freak | August 1st, 2007 at 12:48 am
i think this is so irrational due to the fact that most Filipinos nowadays use MC to save and for fast commutation…pwede b nten sabihin sa kaangkas nten na mag-jeep nlng sya or mag cab? or pano nmn kung GF or misis mo ksama mo? eh di away lng mangyayare s inyo…the best way siguro is for Mayor Lim to set a meeting with different MC club/federation presidents before he goes about his “senseless” stuff…there are many ways to lessen crimes…and how come MC drivers are suffering coz of the crimes? dati nmn, ndi sila naghigpit s mga car users - na dating get away vehicle…lagi nlng nila tinitira mga motor…dahil b mas madali nilang huthutan, ndi tulad ng mga naka kotse? and it would mean that whenever u wanna go out on a date or with your special someone, tig-isang motor p kau…weird, right? haaayyy…may the gods help us!!
“RIDE FREE…RIDE SAFE”
14. roughrod | August 1st, 2007 at 2:00 am
it used to be Mayor Lim was one of the sensible person i know. But w/ this he can line up himself w/ Fernando. Why not pushed thru w/ the old program of Senator Lacson of getting those fat belled cops to reduce weight, for them to be able to ride an mc and chase after those criminals? Mr. Lim would you want to be identified w/ a narrow minded person named Bayani Fernando? Still thinks he is in Marikina that he can do whatever he wants….Wag naman sana. Naging Senador ka pa naman…tsk tsk, wag mo sabihung ganito kababaw ang mag inisponsor mong batas sa Senado!!!!!
15. The Freelancer | August 1st, 2007 at 3:05 am
Its almost unimaginable. But if there was a proposal for a sticker on helmet i guess everything that can be thought up goes.
The issue is called PROFILING. Just because you see rider in tandem doesnt necessarily mean they are criminals or would be no good doer.
Last i know is that PROFILING is illegal. Another profiling is that lets say you saw a middle eastern in full turban on the street…what reaction does he get? Oo, terrorista yan!
The effects of profiling does spell disaster. Implementing this wont curb crime. It will only enhance it.
This will only mean that criminals will switch to a much sophisticated MO.
One step ahead ika nga.
16. badong | August 1st, 2007 at 7:58 am
hehe tatawa ako sa ibang post na tatapang tapangan. kung tunay sila matapang why not tell it straight to th person involved . daig pa ang bata.
17. katotoy | August 1st, 2007 at 8:06 am
why are they centering on the bikers. sakin lang naman eh tingin ko lahat ito ay pag kukulang lang ng implementation of tons of existing laws and regulations. solution ? GAWIN NYO ANG MGA TRABAHO NYO AT WAG MAG KOTONG. SIMPLE DIBA?
18. baks | August 1st, 2007 at 9:23 am
grabe naman yan!! paano kung yan lang ang mode of transportation ng asawa mo? paano? kailangan ba mag jeep pa ang isa sa inyo para hindi kayo magmukhang criminal!! masyado kayong maraming alam.. mas marami pa nga na pulis ang gumagamit ng mga motor na walang rehistro e… totoo naman diba?? ayusin nyo naman yung mga suggestion nyo mga bosing… parang Aning
19. monski42 | August 1st, 2007 at 10:58 am
RIDING IN TANDEM?…. PAANO YUN MGA NAG TI-TIPID?… NA ANG SASAKYAN AY MOTOR LAMANG…MAG-ASAWA, MAG-KAPATID, MAG-KAIBIGAN…MARAMI GANYAN SATIN, GAMIT ANG MOTOR. TSK…TSK…TSK… KAWAWANG JUAN DELA CRUZ…
20. Pedy Rivera | August 1st, 2007 at 11:07 am
KUNG talagang disidido si mayor lim sana man lang male-male lang ang ipagbawal, pano naman yun mag-asawa na nagsusunduan sa trabaho.
21. b_ground | August 1st, 2007 at 12:31 pm
i agree with monski (comment #19)
this would result into purchasing a motorbike per member of the family… kay tatay, nanay, ate, kuya, at baby
KALOKOHAN ‘TO!
22. chescurchar | August 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pm
choke once and never eat again! Manila, Makati or MMDA are not the first ones to curb motorcylists, in China cities like Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Shanghai and Beijing have completely banned motorcylce use for the same ridiculous reason of crime prevention. the mentality of those so call elite officiers are so naive and people living in these cities are pathetic. do these officials really think that perverts can not get away with these laws; gunners can train themselves to shoot with one hand or simply stop next to the victim and shoot; snatchers can train themselves to get away on a bicycle or even on foot, there’ll be no cops around anyway. no more then one rider on a motorcycle? what about those tricycles? will they ban them from taking passagers? if tricycles are exampted then I will just carry a kiddy wheel and whenever I want to pass by Manila I just snap it on to make the bike a tricycle, easy!!!
what about jeepneies, cell phone snatch and holdup always happen in jeepney ride will they ban jeepneies from taking more then one passanger?
there’s a rule there’s a way to bypass.
LTO requires every motor vehicle to have at least third party insurance coverage before they will issue or renew a license, however, do they know how many motrocylists prying the streets of Manila do not have effective insurance?
a week a ago I was involved in an accident, I slowed down and stopped my car on the left lane preparing for a left turn, a motorcyle overtaking from my left counter flowing bumpped into my left rear door and drifted off to the left without any braking, it ended up on the opposite pavement, hit a concrete block and fell down; the rider was injured but conscious, bike damaged and also my left rear door. when arrived the traffic dept. the policeman asked for statements from both parties and asked me if I will pay for the bike’s damage, I told him its all his faultless and I am the one to claim for compensation for repairing my car. then he told me the biker has no insurance coverage and he has no money to pay me. what? isn’t insurance mandatory before a license be issued. then he told me he could get an insurance coverage for just one day to finish the licensing. oh my god what kind of sick scam is this. the cop told me if I insisted for him to compensate they would carry out investigation then bring the case to court. it seems aok for the biker to have no insurance. the hell to court! the judicial system here is also a joke, god knows how much time I have to waste before there is a verdict and even if its in my favour the biker could just insist he has no money to pay. in the end I just asked him to sign a note to admit all his fault that caused the accident and let him go. what comes to my mind is luckily no one on my side has been injuried and its just money to get the car fixed. what if he had hit someone on the pavement and caused injury or even death? how can he compensate the victim without insurance? how many bikers are like this out there? what are those high ranking officials going to do about it or just let it be? and to the readers of this forum are you a responsible rider or just another rascal without insurance planning to hit and run. in a civilized society poverty can not be the excuse to punish those more well off.
23. val | August 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pm
another law that is very discriminating, if Lim wants 1 rider on MC’s because of crimes…then why doesnt he propose 1 rider in cars?since some criminsals ride in cars. Why in the hell are we banned from riding a backride? Our MC’s are made so it could carry the driver and a passenger, and a car is the same. ban passengers on cars and he can ban passengers on MC’s. Stupid Alfredo Lim, Only in the Philippines. Seems that what lawmakers can pick on today are just MC’s, bakit kaya…..?
24. Rye!?! | August 1st, 2007 at 2:32 pm
ah…here we go again…
25. talesofthecreep | August 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pm
I’m not a member of anything specifically in line of any motor cycle groups but I think this is so unfair to us riders. Hoping that this law will not be implemented and I pray so. I used motorcycle because of one big reason; it is to lessen me and my wife’s everyday transportation expenses. It is so ridiculous! In my opinion, crimes are everywhere even if you ride on a jeep or bus or whatever transportation vehicle it is. Sometimes riding to these types of vehicles is also dangerous and you do not even know will happen. I didn’t say that motorcycles are a 100% percent safe but safety is in our hands, riders and we don’t let any harm happens to us and to our partner. If we let Manila Mayor implement this type of shit provision, come to think of it. You will always fill nervous in thinking if your wives will arrived safely to your house specially if she out in the office at night. Don’t let these happened guys. Let’s prove that it is not our mistake why a crime on motorcycle increases. If you defined properly what the root of all evil is, you will find out that authority/policeman are deficient in security on us and not doing their job as well.
26. blacksight | August 1st, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Hindi ko makita ang punto ni Tanda bakit ganun? Hindi lahat ng rider ang may kasalanan kung bakit lumalaki ng ganito ang krimen or modus gamit ang motorsiklo. May kakulangan ang awtoridad sa pagbibigay kaligtasan sa ating lahat. Ang mga hinayupak na pulis na yan ang dapat gisingin para mabawasan ang ganitong klase ng krimen! Isa pa, kung baga sa 10 Gagong rider na gumawa ng krimen, apektado ang 1 milyong rider na ang kagustuhan lang ay makatipid at mapabilis ang biyahe nila. Sana mabasa lahat ni Lim ang mga email dito para mabawasan ang inuuban nyang kokote. Kaya siya binalik ng tao sa pwesto para mabawasan ang krimen pero hindi sa ganitong paraan. Kung noon gumagamit siya ng kamay na bakal sa mga kriminal bakit hindi niya na lang uli gawin yun dun sa mga totoong kriminal. Hindi niya dapat idamay ang iba na walang kamalay malay. Baka sa susunod nyan eh bawal na ring maglakad sa maynila ng maykasama lalo na pag gabi kasi mapagkamalang holdaper din. Mag-isip isip ka Lim. Nagsisi ako bakit binoto pa kita!
27. Eric JY Mananquil | August 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pm
No backriders, no tinted cars, no bikes on tollways, no sticker, no helmet ……..everything seem to be “band aid” solutions. Can we not, riders, enforcers, motorists, enthusiasts, etc think of something more positve to address these ills?
Been to some places where people still feel optimistic enough to take positive action, by practice of self discipline, to make things better - and they achieve results….
As I was relating to a couple of friends a few days ago, when I had the chance to visit Europe in the 80’s, I noticed that a lot of private cars were sporting brightly colored ribbons on their car antennas or roof racks. I asked our local driver what it meant, guessing that it was some political gimmick of sort. He said that the owners/drivers of those cars are proclaiming to the world that they follow traffic rules, their city being well known for reckless driving and short tempered drivers. They are having themselves identified prominently as law-abiding citizens/motorists and that hopefully every other motorist around them would follow their lead wherever they are. Or at worst, behave like them while they’re still around.
I asked further, so what happens when they eventually break the rules themselves? They take the risk of being reported to a citizen’s action hotline (put up by the people who started the campaign) where anyone can report said violation and their licence plate details are duly passed on to the department of motor vehicles. According to the driver, the idea of being positively identified (readhamed) has worked wonders on the would be violators, hence traffic rules compliance improved a lot.
Just thinking out loud….does anyone remember the Pook Batayan experiment along EDSA in the late 80’s? If I remember right, it worked like this: A corporate sponsor is assigned a corner to manage. They acted as traffic aides during rush hours, installed lights, PA systems and other tools to improve their respective intersections. It even became a competition among the companies involved on who was running a better crossing. But the common thing among all the teams is the heavy use of the PA system to identify the pedestrians or motorists who were breaking the rules. It was not unusual to hear “Yung lalaking naka blue ng tshirt at maong na pants, huwag ka munang tatawid.” Or “yung kotseng puti, huwag ka munang liliko sa kanan habang naka red light”. People looked your way and you stop yourself from being shamed. Different people, same pride.
MMDA was asking for suggestions from bikers when some of us went to protest their helmet sticker rule. Why don’t we put up a 4-digit text hotline to be sponsored as a public service by Globe or Smart where motorists or any citizen for that matter can report violations by MC riders, be it criminal, traffic, good manners, etc. For the site’s part, the websiteowners can have those text messages be posted in some dedicated thread. Let our common fear of shame encourage us to behave as better riders.
Hopefully, when citizens get used to reporting MC rider traffic violations, criminals thinking of using MC’s for their next crime will at least think twice.
By the way, I would not mind putting a sticker on my bike that says “WFR” - - We Follow Rules.
28. engineford | August 1st, 2007 at 5:29 pm
in fairness to mr. mayor afredo lim (or any public officials/ law makers)., he/they might be thinking of security for the majority.,specially nowadays for many criminal acts involving motorcycle riding in tandem .. im also a rider., for a single reason., i want to save on my wife and my own transportation cost., im living at makati (reposo)., on an area were there is no means of riding a jeep but tricycle during day time going to our office (tordessilas st. makati)., we both are working on call center (night shift)., so we have no choice but to ride on a cab.. so ive decided to just purchase a motorcycle co’z i know this will be a huge saving in comparison.,
but with this kind of law or proposition., i will say it will be unfair,improper, ilogical, impractical,dull.. name it..
law makers: pls dont create a law resulting another problem just to resolve a problem..
sacrifises are important but think of it., weight and compare., thats what justice is all about., pls give justice to all who deserves it.
29. kashimaru | August 1st, 2007 at 5:30 pm
parang naman mapipigilan ang crimen sa smga pinagagawa nila. ung mgacriminal ba nghehelmet? ung iba ba tandem sa motor? bakit hindi nila ayusin ung mga trabaho nila! sila itong tamad magtrabaho! isisi nila sa mga riders ang katamaran nila!
30. zander | August 1st, 2007 at 5:52 pm
this is just my opinion, If u are making law about something important, always ask the concern citizens. I am a motorcycle rider coz its only the means of transportation better than riding a bus or jeepney. Just to have my own mobility using MC because i cannot afford a car or even a gas for car for daily commuting.
Concerning that we have problems on HIGH CRIME RATE in the country. Can I ask,
HOW WAS THE POPULATION TO LAW ENFORCER RATIO?
Is that enough to solve the crimes happening?
Before you fucking LAWMAKERS MAKE LAW, Used your head.
You never know how we feel and get abuse by that law.
To think that most of us earning only basic salary, and the only solution for us is a motorcycle. We cannot afford a car.
One more thing. Always think that YOU put on that position to serve the people who was paying your salary from TAXES that we pay. Why fuck us.
YOU FUCKING BASTARD! SON OF A BITCH!
31. MAKABAYAN | August 1st, 2007 at 5:57 pm
i strongly agree on the quote of engineford.,
“dont create a law resulting another problem just to resolve a problem..
sacrifises are important but think of it., weight and compare., thats what justice is all about., pls give justice to all who deserves it.”
law makers have time to think of laws you are proposing! you are the one’s responsible to millions of lives arround you..
wag na nating dagdagan ang kamalian para malutas ang isang kamalian., maraming paraan para maiwasan ang krimen., unang una na ang paglutas ng kahirapan.,
kaya wag tutulan ang taong gustong makatipid dahil sila pa nga dapat ang tularan.. sa ibang lugar nga ini encourage ang pagamit ng motor para makatipid ang buong bansa sa gasolina na naglalabas ng dolyar sa bansa.,
pag ibayuhin ang edukasyon sa pilipinas.,
bigyan ng trabaho ang mga mahihirap para hindi na magnakaw para lang makakain sa araw araw!
mahirap bang intindihin yun!?
o baka naman parte lang ito nang pagtakip ninyo ng inyong pagkukulang?
wag ninyong ibaling sa iba ang ugat ng kahirapan at krimen dont you understand people., its a whole bunch of “CHAIN REACTION”…
the root cause of all this is.
misgovernance>corruption>poverty>crime!
now what would you say?
ban the motorcycle tandem riding???
SO PATHETIC!!
32. peace to all | August 1st, 2007 at 6:26 pm
kahit hindi gumamit ng motorcycle ang masamang loob kung walang pulis hindi rin naman matitigil ang crime.
police visibility lang ang solusyon wag na magturo!
33. Meagan | August 1st, 2007 at 6:29 pm
To all MC riders….do not over react. Instead of just saying NO, instead of just criticizing, and opposing Mayor Lim, why not join Him in curbing crimes commited by SOME MC RIDERS.
MArami ang against…pero hindi naman nag suggest kung anu ang naisip niya na puwedeng gawin para makatulong.
Tsaka yung mga galit na nag mumura pa…pinapakita niyo lang kung gaano ka kitid ang mga ulo niyo. Im sure yung character niyo ay pareho lang ng pag mamaneho niyo.
Grow-up people…..
Be part of the solution..
Lets help our government solve crimes…
conflicts cannot be solved by mass actions or rallies…
On my part…for now, Ill just follow the laws.
Be courteous to other drivers. Buti na ito kesa sa mabilang pa ako sa manggugulo.
34. jeff | August 1st, 2007 at 6:50 pm
God!!! What is this country coming to! Stupid…stupid…stupid!!! Why can’t they just ban guns rather than coming up with stupid laws!!?
35. peace to all | August 1st, 2007 at 7:20 pm
peace to all!., being a follower doesnt mean always to agree on every idea., yes we all want to eliminate crime.,
but not to ban the tandem riding., its too impractical!
36. carlcaryl | August 1st, 2007 at 7:52 pm
MAS MAGANDA GAWIN EH PALAWAKIN NILA ANG CHECKPOINT SA KANILANG AREA TO PREVENT CRIMES. WAG GAWING NEGOSYO ANG CHECKPOINT KUNG ME VIOLATION O HINDI NAKA REHISTRO GAWAN NG KAUKULANG PARUSA HINDI MAGLAGAY O HUMINGI NG LAGAY.SA NGAYON ANG MOTOR ANG PINAKAMURANG TRANSPORTASYON WAG NAMAN GANYAN HON. LIM…
37. bola | August 2nd, 2007 at 12:00 am
we are not against curbing crimes instigated by mc riders. in fact we support the authorities in their battle against them. but the fact still remains, that basic rights are being violated all in the name of curbing criminality.
i agree that conflicts cannot be resolved by mass actions and rallies, but through peaceful negotiations and dialogue, but what happens when the government doesn’t give that chance, to negotiate and talk? you’re left with no other choice but to take your case to the streets.
we are part of the solution because we are also part of the problem. the common denominator here is mc. so, whether we like it or not everybody here is involved. what we need is consultation and cooperation from both sides.
government officials are public servants. they owe it to the people to do their jobs accordingly, without bias and prejudice. we, the motorcycle community are part of their public, they owe it to us to be responsible for their actions, to be responsible enough to think and formulate solutions for problems that would not create another problem. this is basically what law making is all about in our country, “band aid” remedies.
the people have grown up, and they are fed up with these grandstanding politicians bent on creating names for themselves. politicians who are more concern with their popularity than with their constituents. politicians who do not think.
mayor lim has qouted this line a lot of times: “THE LAW APPLIES TO ALL, OTHERWISE NON AT ALL”. crimes are being committed in the city of manila, but only a certain portion of this are committed by mc riding hooligans. what about the rest?
38. elvan | August 2nd, 2007 at 8:04 am
Imagine all law enforcers in manila riding a motorcyle. Always on the streets.. And MC Riders as volunteers always vigilant on whats happening around their community..
a dedicated hotline number that can be called by everyone to report a crime being commited (free of charge).
will this help? what do you think? please suggest what you think might work to help curb crimes commited some mc riders.
39. penggul | August 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 am
mas maganda siguro gawin ay sa mga lugar na may may mc club mki pag coordinate kyo sa mga precint commander… mga grupo ng riders na mag volunter para sa checkpoint o ano mang operation kasama ang kapulisan… para masaya!!! bili tayo bisekleta!!:) peace
40. llama45 | August 2nd, 2007 at 2:24 pm
I pity those who cannot afford to buy cars to send their wives to work & children to school! Kaya nga bumili ng motorsiklo kasi yun lang ang kaya nila…tapos pagbabawalan pa ninyo mag-angkas!!! I hope the City Officials of Makati would think about these before drafting and implementing non-sense ordinances!
41. engineford | August 2nd, 2007 at 3:34 pm
i strong agree with you llama45!
para tuloy discrimination ang nangyayari dito sa pilipinas eh..
sana naman isipin din nila kung sila ung affected sa batas nilang ginagawa!
law makers must put their self on the shoe of their subordinates in order for them to create a good sounding law.
42. llama45 | August 2nd, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Sorry for my last posting…Dirty Harry’s City pala yan! (City of Manila) and not Makati City.
43. peace to all | August 2nd, 2007 at 4:46 pm
lifted na ata yung tandem riding ban? may latest news ba tayu dun?
44. kamote | August 2nd, 2007 at 7:07 pm
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45. Dr. Mario Verzosa aka jester | August 2nd, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Maybe we need to get more people involved in this…if we unite and elect officials who favor MC riders (responsible ones) and will not discriminate us…we will be able to at least have a say before another useless discriminatory law is passed agains us…IMO
46. kamote | August 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pm
…
kamoteng official!!!
47. mmda | August 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pm
mas malala naman to kaysa sa helmet!
48. HaoleKine | August 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 am
I think that too many of you are not seeing the bigger problem with all of this.
MMDA starts an initiative that requires that you have a sticker on your helmet with your license plate number. Makati, which doesn’t follow MMDA, doesn’t have this ordinance.
In Makati it is ok to have a tandem rider…through Manila (NOT Metro Manila) it is not ok.
MMDA doesn’t have a problem if you modify your exhaust system, Makati on the other hand is known for pulling these types over.
My point is there are, I believe, well over 10 different “jurisdictions” that are enforcing their own set of ordinances, and declare that MMDA is invalid in their city. So I, as a law abiding citizen, am obligated to know and follow ALL of these different ordinances?
I’m sorry, but THAT is the ridiculous issue. Metro Manila needs to have ONE set of governing traffic enforcement, with rules that blanket ALL areas of Metro Manila. I can take my girlfriend all over Metro Manila on the back of my motorcycle, but if I wanted to cut across to Caloocan, I have to make sure I don’t cross that boundary line?
I live in Makati, I’m not required to have a sticker on my helmet (had it of pushed through). If I want to travel outside of Makati into any area where MMDA is recognized though, I better have that sticker. Oh, and I shouldn’t bring my girlfriend either if we are planning to ride through Manila to another area.
There are “too many chiefs and not enough indians” with all of these ordinances. THAT is the problem. Everyone is trying to “one up” the other person, no one is working together.
49. Boom2x | August 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 am
Sa tingin kaya ni Lim kung iban ang tandem riding mababawasan krimen? o talgang di lang sya nagiisp?
50. jack | August 3rd, 2007 at 10:13 am
Sino ba nag post nito? bias naman yong ulat mo tsong, although sinabi ni Mayor Lim na baka implement nila na no back-ride, pero di sinabing iimplement na kagad, pag aaralan pa raw nila, at kung ano talaga maganda solution, dagdag pa nya.
51. jason27 | August 3rd, 2007 at 2:06 pm
bakit nman ganon mayor,idol ka pa nmn namin!gaya ko ma mamasyal kmi sa sm manila ng asawa ko at anak.sana wag nyo ng ituloy to!marami ang magagalit syo nyan.plzzz nman.
52. Bruce | August 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 pm
instead of just complaining about this and all the other STUPID rules, why do we not set up a legal fund and challenge each and every one of these IDIOTIC ideas in court? I would be more than happy to put in a large donation.
Secondly remember who voted these donkeys into office in the firstplace!
53. ruisse.23 | August 3rd, 2007 at 4:44 pm
hmm…ang galing talaga magisip ni lim no?di kaya nya naiisip na me mga tinatago sya na mga smuggled cigars way back when he’s a policeman? As far as i know, sya ang protector nung mga un. Diba krimen ang magprotekta ng ilegal na gawain?Ngaun, he will ban tandem riding…ang galing ano po? Sino kaya ang kriminal ngaun?
54. Dr. Mario Verzosa aka jester | August 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pm
I wonder what Dave - Davelock has to say…he’s from Australia, migrating to the Phils…I dont think he’ll enjoy riding and travelling in our country if these ordinances are in effect.
Before Lim petitions the council to draft an ordinance - someone must be able to counter that ordinance with pros and cons…IMO again.
I also believe HaoleKine is right…Metro Manila in general should only have one set of ordinances…and not per district!
55. mmda | August 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pm
tama kayo lahat! kahit mmda ako may motor din ako at alam ko ang hirap pag na ban ang tandem riding walang kwenta ang panukalang ito. para na rin nilang pinigilan ang pag unlad ng mga pilipinong nag iisip na mag simula sa pagtitipid sa transportasyon na isa sa pinakamalaking gastusin sa pang araw araw lalong pa man din sana makakatipid ang tandem riders.
56. engineford | August 3rd, 2007 at 5:52 pm
yes definitely its too bad to have different transportation rullings in different cities., specially when youve got to cross multiple cities for you to reach your destination., it sucks..
57. jhong | August 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 pm
sir,i just wanna ask if theres any national low agians noisy motor cycle pipe?kc dito sa laguna there some police and imforcer na nanghuhuli ng mga upgraded pipe,and guess what?the fine is tumatagingting na 1200 box.is that leagal?
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60. Jaed | August 4th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Ang solution sa lumalang krimen sa Metro Manila ay dagdagan ang sahod ng mga pulis at ikumpleto sa mga gamit tapos dagdagan ang motorbikes ng mga pulis para pantapat sa kriminal na naka motorbikes at ikalat sa buong Metro Manila.di iyung lahat ng naka motot nadadamay dahil sa mga hinayupak na kriminal na iyan.
61. Don pangan | August 4th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
@meagan, u cannot blame those people who where a bit outraged at nakakapagmura as a reaction sa bagay na di sila pabor o di nila gusto o nakagalit sa kanila. Ang issue ng pag ban ng riding in tandem ay isyung nakaka apekto sa buhay nila. Walang pinagkaiba yan sa pag sinampal ka o inagawan ka ng bagay na mahalaga sayo. Hindi ka ba mapapamura nun pag yun ang nangyari sayo? Although im not in favor of saying bulgar words in public, ang gusto ko lang sabihin ay hindi yun ang isyu dito, kundi yung batas na ipinapanukala ni Mayor Lim. Ang mga galit dito ay mere expression lamang ng kanilang pagtutol at pag-ayaw.
About the rally, mukhang hindi ka nag-aaral ng kasaysayan natin na dahil sa rally at mass actions nung 1986 sa edsa ay malaya tayo ngayon. Kung wala yun malamang martial law tayo ngayon. at malamang mas mahigpit pa ang mga paninikil sa mga riders na tulad natin. Yung freedom ride sa mmda nung last july 20, kahit pahgbali-baligtarin mo man ang mundo at anu pa ang itawag mo dun, yun ay mass action. Ang laki ng factor na yun para ma=pressure si BF na umatras dahil nakita nya ang dami ng mga tumututol. Thats how rally is also called as domonstration. pagpapakita ng pagtutol at dami ng mga tumututol sa isang panukala o batas na ipinapatupad. Yun ang democrasya. Sana naintindihan mo. But I respect your views and opinion. Pero i have to use my freedom also to answer your post and express my view about your opinion.
62. Leviticus | August 5th, 2007 at 12:17 am
I am here at the provinces and drive an underbone MC everywhere for business or leisure. I’ve been to Nueva Ecija, traveled from Manila (where I previously worked) via McArthur highway to pangasinan, climbed up to Baguio, rode to Ilocos region.
What can I say? I love my motorcycle!
pero affected ako sa mga stupid laws that are passed there in Manila. sa metropolis pa lumalabas ang mga STUPID laws na yan.
this is much worse than the STUPID helmet law. now hindi lang additional helmets ang bibilihin, additional bike pa!!!
real STUPID!!
also, ngayon ko lang narealize that there are (like) 10 different jurisdictions all around metro manila. palibhasa from QC commonwealth to Makati lang ang byahe ko when I was working there
63. andromeda | August 5th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
funny… posting our plate numbers on our helmets? that’s… stvpid.. and where wud i let my girl ride?
64. vesper | August 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
Ay caramba, the utter stupidity!
I’m sure these politicans are hard-pressed for a fast solution because these crimes done on mc’s are becoming sensationalized.
So what do the politicians do? Come up with another instant band-aid law that will show that they’re doing something about it - even if the law is stupid and extremely prejudicial.
Mas madali nga naman to just BAN! BAN! BAN! instead of taking the time to figure out a more sensible solution especially if other sensible solutions are time consuming and more expensive. Mag BAN na lang instead of training more cops and buying more mc’s for the cops to ride.
I thought Lim would do better than this. I’m extremely disappointed.
65. macdaddyjayr | August 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
share ko lng mga Peeps Kanina me n my frenz nag ride sa MAnila we forgot nabawal pala buti na lng hnd kmi na huli pero noong pinutahan namin yung barkada ko sa may soler nag kwento sya na noong isaong araw daw may hinuli Eh yung nakabackride panaman eh Asawa namimili lng sila sa manila. Hnd ba nakakaawa yun kc yun lng ang means of transportation nila sa hirap ng buhay ngayon tapos pag hinuli ka dahil bawal mag back ride parang sinabi rin ni LIM na Bikers are NOT Allowed IN Maynila dahil ang naka motor eh hnd gagawa ng mabuti. Wow. isipin nyo na lng yung nahuli laking abala na sa kanya at pamilya nya dahil Imbis na pinambili ng pag kain ng pamilya nya eh mapupunta na lng sa pag tubos ng Lisenya. dahil ang tingin nila sa atin ay CRiminal .. sorry for the words p[ero mukhang yun ang suma total..
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67. chescurchar | August 6th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Well said HaoleKine, I totally agree with you, there are too many law making and enforcing bodies within Metro Manila and MC riders are all bewitched about what can or cannot do in certain area. I wonder if GMA knows what’s going on in her NCR and why she can harness her Dirty Harry and Pink Panther.
68. sana | August 6th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
sana d nalang na impliment yung bawal may backrider……instead! it should be more police visibility sa bawat area……m sure it will lessen the crime using morotorcycle as get away vehicle….kaysa…iimpliment natin na bawal ganito!!kc Ganito nangayri….!!!…eh…ewan….!?!?!
69. Manila Riderz | August 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Hindi ko makita ang punto ni Tanda bakit ganun? Hindi lahat ng rider ang may kasalanan kung bakit lumalaki ng ganito ang krimen or modus gamit ang motorsiklo. May kakulangan ang awtoridad sa pagbibigay kaligtasan sa ating lahat. Ang mga hinayupak na pulis na yan ang dapat gisingin para mabawasan ang ganitong klase ng krimen! Isa pa, kung baga sa 10 Gagong rider na gumawa ng krimen, apektado ang 1 milyong rider na ang kagustuhan lang ay makatipid at mapabilis ang biyahe nila. Sana mabasa lahat ni Lim ang mga email dito para mabawasan ang inuuban nyang kokote. Kaya siya binalik ng tao sa pwesto para mabawasan ang krimen pero hindi sa ganitong paraan. Kung noon gumagamit siya ng kamay na bakal sa mga kriminal bakit hindi niya na lang uli gawin yun dun sa mga totoong kriminal. Hindi niya dapat idamay ang iba na walang kamalay malay. Baka sa susunod nyan eh bawal na ring maglakad sa maynila ng maykasama lalo na pag gabi kasi mapagkamalang holdaper din. Mag-isip isip ka Lim. Nagsisi ako bakit binoto pa kita!
mukhang mas mabuti pa ang gagawin ni Binay na i-register ulit ang motor sa siyudad at lalagya ng sticker ng Makati Emblem…
bakit hindi nila pagtrabahuhin ang mga pulis nilang natutulog lang sa pansitan?
kung ginagawa lang nila ang kanilang trabaho nang maayos at walang halong pansariling kapakanan, mababawasan na’ng crime rate in every city…
i-mobilize nila’ng mga kapulisan… ‘yan ang solusyon, hindi ang mga walang kuwentang ordinance na pinaggagagawa nila
70. engineford | August 6th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
@macdaddyjayr.. bawal na ba sa manila ang backride?
hindi pa naman diba???
baka naman hinuli lang yung mag asawa of different violation baka hindi naka helmet or what so ever.,
as far as i know., “hindi pa bawal ang back ride” sa manila until ipatupad ito at i announce sa public
can anyone comment about this??
71. engineford | August 6th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
@Don pangan,
nice reaction for that (@meagan) i also felt a little disgusted with what meagan quoted., i wanted to quote in reaction to that but i cant find the words that wont stink., i just decided to let pass it till i saw your quote., i strongly agree with what you just said.,
no offence to anyone..
may all we have a peacefull and convenient world!
72. macdaddyjayr | August 6th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Engine ford yun yung violation na binigay sa kanila noong pulis. well i yung lng ang masasabi ko.. pero true din kc noon nag ride kmi noong sunday sa dv n quiapo. eh kasama namin mga asawa namin hnd naman kmi hinuli…
73. rene tantoco | August 13th, 2007 at 11:43 am
paalala lang, hindi porque isang pari masama…masama na lahat ng pari
74. marlon oligario | August 13th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
kung maiimplement yung no tandem sa manila kaya ba ng mayor na baguhin ang sitting ng lahat ng MC to make it one sitter only? so he need a shop to change all MC sits for single rider.
just a comment if he can, to make him happy….
75. jojo_21 | August 17th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Lahat nag-iisip kung paano masusugpo ang paggamit ng motor sa kriminalidad. Kung mapapansin natin, madami sa mga naka-motor ang kulang sa disiplina, hindi marunong sumunod sa traffic rules o talagang sinasadyang huwag sumunod; mayayabang magpatakbo, delikadong magmaneho; pero nakita ba nating sinita ito ng mga otoridad? Ngayon, dahil ginagamit ito ng mga kriminal sa pagsagawa ng krimen idadamay tayong lahat? I lang beses bang may mga reckless na nagmomotor kumpara sa mga pangyayaring krimen gamit ang motor ? ‘di ba mas madalas? May nahuhuli ba? Tapos ikaw na wala namang ginawang kabulastugan kundi ang magtitpid sa pasahe kaya inangkas mo si misis o girlfriend, huhulihin ka? O kaya ‘yun wala kang side mirror dahil wala kang pambili ng pamalit dun sa nabasag, sisitahin ka? Wala na ba talagang matino sa mga gumagawa at nagpapatupad ng batas sa lansangan natin??? Sino ba talaga yung mga Pinoy na paulit-ulit nating pinangangalandakang magagaling sa buong mundo? Dito sila dapat matagpuan kasi magulo na talaga!!!
76. benny | August 17th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
ok toh para pag ma aksidente ako lang di kasama esmi at baby ko. hihihi
77. pete | August 18th, 2007 at 10:21 am
kulang nalang banned na motorcycles. hahaha
78. wave | August 18th, 2007 at 10:59 am
banned user,
tama ka.
baka sa sunod sabihin nya mga underbones lang dapat may stickers ang helmet, kasi ang big bikes di maka akyat ng banketa kaya exempted. yan si makapili. hehehe utak talanka
79. Mike | August 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Authorities should not only look at post-situation solutions but they should also be proactive in preventive crimes in the streets of our nation. They should not focus on the vehicle these criminals are using or have used, but also look into possible solutions before such predicament happens. Why not increase police visibility in the streets? Why not equip policemen with motorcycles also, not only the their SWAT teams and police escorts. Does this mean criminals are wiser than the police? Criminals are well equipped than the police?
80. pissed off rider | August 21st, 2007 at 10:04 pm
tama si don pangan, dapat organize ulit ng protest ride. sa manila city hall naman. tsaka wag tayo magsasawa sa protest ride, bawat mali, iprotest agad natin para malaman nilang hindi tayo pwedeng tanggalan ng rights natin.
81. nebz(pque) | August 21st, 2007 at 11:28 pm
Pinag isipan ba ni Lim mabuti yang proposal niya. Mukhang tumatanda na nga siya.
Gumagawa lang yata ulit siya ng pangalan.
Ang paggawa ng city ordinance eh dapat planado at hindi mawawalan ng rights ang isang taong nakamotor…
Marami pang ibang paraan para masugpo ang mga hudas ng criminal na nakasakay sa motor..
Pulis Visibility sa kalsada. Tama suggest ninyo mga brad. Dapat naka motor ang mga police para maabutan nila yung mga hudas.
I hope maliwanagan isip ni Lim…dahil marami magrereklamong sa manila.
82. bong | August 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 am
napa isip tuloy ako dumadami ang accidents araw araw. kahapon yun mag asaw na hit ng jeepney putol yun leg ng ankas(teacher). hirap talaga drivers sa manila hindi marunong ng defensive driving mapa motor or cars.
83. dex | August 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 am
ang hirap naman tayo mga motorcycle owner parang wala na tayong karapatan sa kalsada. lahat na lang bawal. naisip ba nila kung bakit dumarami ang nagmomotor? kasi nga mahal ang pamasahe at matraffic. kahit dati hindi pa uso ang motor ang dami na kriminal. kahit ilang pulis pa ang ilagay mo sa kalsada e sila mismo ang mga gumagawa ng kalokohan. lahat sisilipin. para mapilitan ka magbigay ng lagay. tuwing may violation ka agad impound agad ang panakot nila. bakit pwede naman magissue ng violation ticket. bakit agad agad impound kasi nga kung pumayag ka gagamitin nila ang motor mo. e sila nga to na nagmomotor na walang helmet at minsan wala pang plate number. o di kaya expired ang registration. kailangan ata magpulis na lang tayo lahat! para kahit ano violation pwedeng gawin walang sisita! Mayor lim baka naman pwedeng pagisipan niyo ang batas na yan kasi kawawa naman kaming magasawa pumapasok sa maynila alangan maghiwalay pa kami ng motor para makapasok. masyadong api naman kami pls. study your plan before you enforce it.
84. cedric | August 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 am
kasi manan eh. bakit motor pa pinag initan? ang dami ng mga kolorum fx and vans na walang plaka at heavy tint sa kalsada na protector ay pulis patola bakit hindi sia mahigpit dito? pati na mga cars na madilim ang plate numbers halos di na makita pwede pa rin. BANANA COUNTRY TALAGA. TSK TSK TSK
SORRY NALANG TAYO MGA NAKA MOTOR GANYAN TALAGA BUHAY SA THIRD WORLD.
85. jack | August 25th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Ang hirap kc sa mga naka pues2 sa goverment natin masyadong maraming walang kuwentang batas ung gustong ipatupad samantalang napakaraming problema ng mamamayan at basa ang dapat atupagin, masyado kc silang makasarili,sa ordinansa na yan na gusto nilang ipa tupad kaon nanaman ung nga buhayang katulsan natin, este kapulisan pala,kaya nga nag aangkasan sa 1 motor para maka tipid tapos mag lalabas ng ganyang ordinansa,….