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Old October 25th, 2006
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Philstar article calls bikers "pests"

THIS IS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN THE OPINION PAGE OF THE PHILIPPINE STAR IN THE COLUMN OF JARIOUS BONDOC

Motorists are grumbling about the alarming number of motorcycles on the road. Exchanges of gory accident photos on the Net and of stories of near misses by careless bikers invariably end with the question: when will the government ever draft a policy on pesky two-wheelers? The hope is for officials to write one soon, and not wait for calamity, like the dismantling of all ad billboards after some collapsed from typhoon.

In truth there’s no need for new rules, only enforcement of old laws. For instance, any driver, of car or bike, must not recklessly swerve in and out of lanes. Too, bikers must wear regulation helmets, not plastic caps that, according to trauma surgeon Orlando Ocampo, will only help to keep their brains from scattering far from a crash site. The doctor from the Far Eastern University Hospital also reminds bikers that babies and toddlers may not ride motorcycles because these are not designed for them.

What the officials can do is designate bike lanes on major thoroughfares; in the absence of any, bikers would be safe to stay on the slow lane. It’s foolish of them to stop and crowd on the fast lane under a pedestrian overpass during a downpour, as if waiting for a drug-crazed trucker with faulty headlights and windshield wipers to wham them like bowling pins.



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The writer says that it is the motorists opinion that bikers are pests...but I think he is ultimately responsible for what he writes. (On the other hand some of the things he said are true...)

Personally I'm sick and tired of how bikers are discriminated not only by mis informed people such as these but also by the authorities who seem see bikers as a favorite whipping boy....

the list goes on...but its an old story......



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...there’s no need for new rules, only enforcement of old laws
i guess everytime related articles like this appear on columns, writers have to first assess if they are hurling their write-ups to the right readers. honestly for me, i think articles like this should be hurled to the more responsible segment like the traffic enforcers & responsible officials. bikers are part of the street-using commuters. the only difference they have with cages is they only have 2 wheels. they may share the same street but they differ a little in rules & regulations to follow -- but these Rs & Rs are of the same objectives keeping everything in order. and i donot doubt that there is an insufficient Rs & Rs. i only doubt if they are strictly well implemented...

implement the traffic rules & regulations strictly and no accidents will happen. AND SURELY NO PESKY OR MENACING BIKERS WILL THERE BE...
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Di pa nadala sa nangyari kay Mr. Sebastian.

Tsk tsk tsk.

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hmm...such harsh words but some are true.

i am for strict implmentation of rules and regulations. and about that bike lane thing, they have to think that over again because not all bike lanes are safe for bikers.

the only thing that we can do to help is educate the uneducated. including mr. bondoc here
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disiplina lang sa lahat yan! btw, kindly ask mr. bondoc kung sino yung nagreklamo sa kanya na naglabas sya ng baril? Bus driver ata yun, sabagay di naman kc nya aabutan ang ang pests sa two wheels, only pests sa 4 and up wheels, lahat tayo peste, kaya galit tayo sa kapwa peste..

disiplina lang yan, disiplini mula sa ating mga drivers, pag lahat ng driver e di lumalabag sa batas trapiko, magugutom yang mga bwaya sa daan..ang mahirap kc dito sa pinas, di tayo natatakot maglabag kasi pwede naman magbayad
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That's a bit too generalized, Mr. Bondoc.
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Motorists are grumbling about the alarming number of motorcycles on the road. Exchanges of gory accident photos on the Net and of stories of near misses by careless bikers invariably end with the question: when will the government ever draft a policy on pesky two-wheelers? The hope is for officials to write one soon, and not wait for calamity, like the dismantling of all ad billboards after some collapsed from typhoon.

In truth there’s no need for new rules, only enforcement of old laws. For instance, any driver, of car or bike, must not recklessly swerve in and out of lanes. Too, bikers must wear regulation helmets, not plastic caps that, according to trauma surgeon Orlando Ocampo, will only help to keep their brains from scattering far from a crash site. The doctor from the Far Eastern University Hospital also reminds bikers that babies and toddlers may not ride motorcycles because these are not designed for them.

What the officials can do is designate bike lanes on major thoroughfares; in the absence of any, bikers would be safe to stay on the slow lane. It’s foolish of them to stop and crowd on the fast lane under a pedestrian overpass during a downpour, as if waiting for a drug-crazed trucker with faulty headlights and windshield wipers to wham them like bowling pins.
Is that the whole article sir? Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it. He didn't generalize all bikers naman as "pesky." Unlike what Jesus Erle Sebastian did on his Top Gear article na talagang tinira ang mga bikers. Ito, ang tinira lang nya ay yung mga talagang annoying bikers. Totoo naman di ba? Marami naman talagang mga nagmomotor na kung pwedeng bao lang ang gamiting helmet, eh gagawin talaga. Aminin man natin o hindi, kaya tayo nadidiscriminate eh dahil din sa mga bikers na mangmang sa daan.

He's right. There’s no need for new rules, only enforcement of old laws.

Oh well, this is just my opinion.
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I would be surprised to hear that Mr. Bondoc is one pathological "reklamador", feeling know-it-all, pesky motorist, rectum, and anus of a sad excuse for a journalist in real life.

However, as flawed as his perception of reality maybe, some points in the column are painfully correct.

We riders have to shape-up as a community to get the respect of cagers. Btw i use a cage from time to time. I steer clear what i suspect are pasaway riders. Better let a pasaway cager get the pasaway rider or vise versa.
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Who misunderstood it, me?
Bai, kalma lang, bai.

Rules are rules and so are laws. Implementation is sometimes the problem. Sometimes even worst when those who implements them are the ones who breaks them. Kamen Rider is right in a way that many were given the priviledge to get a license and ride a bike but then some of them (or majority of them) are members of the less educated, less complicated people who doesnt even know how to read traffic signs and don't know the traffic rules. Sad but true that many bikers weave in and out of they're lanes without proper precautions because they have no side mirrors... but, that's the benefit of having a small vehicle. I do weave in and out though because it's hard to be in direct sunlight, behind a smoke-belching bus/car, etc, etc. but then I take all they precautionary measures (better safe than sorry). That is one of the purpose of this site, to educate the MC riders.
Also, we can blame them for writting such articles, because sometimes, I myself see what they saw and feel what they felt even though I'm on my bike. Damn the pasaways, they give all riders bad reputation.
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Bai, kalma lang, bai.

Rules are rules and so are laws. Implementation is sometimes the problem. Sometimes even worst when those who implement them are the ones who breaks them. Kamen Rider is right in a way that many were given the priveledge to get a license and ride a bike but then some of them (or majority of them) are members of the less educated, less complicated people who doesnt even know how to read traffic signs and don't know the traffic rules. Sad but true that many bikers weave in and out of they're lanes without proper precautions because they have no side mirrors... but, that's the benefit of having a small vehicle. I do weave in and out though because it's hard to be in direct sunlight, behind a smoke-belching bus/car, etc, etc. but then I take all they precautionary measures (better safe than sorry). That is one of the purpose of this site, to educate the MC riders.
Also, we can blame them for writting such articles, because sometimes, I myself see what they saw and feel what they felt even though I'm on my bike. Damn the pasaways, they give all riders bad reputation.
Exactly.

By the way, I'm kalmado naman. I was asking who he meant because I really don't know who he's pertaining to.
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THIS IS AN ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN THE OPINION PAGE OF THE PHILIPPINE STAR IN THE COLUMN OF JARIOUS BONDOC
What the officials can do is designate bike lanes on major thoroughfares; in the absence of any, bikers would be safe to stay on the slow lane. It’s foolish of them to stop and crowd on the fast lane under a pedestrian overpass during a downpour, as if waiting for a drug-crazed trucker with faulty headlights and windshield wipers to wham them like bowling pins.
baket pag nakasakit yung mga bikers dahil nabasa ng ulan eh sagot mu ba yung pang ospital namen?? eh yung loss of income??? aber puro satsat d nagiisip! at baket kasalanan ba namen na may "drug-crazed trucker with faulty headlights and windshield wipers " eh tigin nyo ligtas ba mga pedestrian o ibang kotse sa na banggit nyong senario? baket gano ba kabilis kang magpatakbo sa populated area? Kaya nga me drug test eh para maiwasan mga ganitong pangyayari! eh faulty headlight? eh d dapat wala na ito sa daan in the first place!!! LTO na me kasalanan nito!! d namen kasalanan kung me mga taong ganun dahil d kami mga pulis/traffic enforcers na nanghuhuli ng mga katulad nito!!!! MAGISIP KA NGA! Puro satsat palibasa madaling magsalita kung d pinapagana ISIP!


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It appears that Mr. Bondoc is biased on the issue, our only course is to prove him wrong on his views. Nonetheless he is entitled to write any "crap" he wishes to since its his column.

We as MCP'ers are entitled to rebutt his views on our forums and perhaps also write articles against his...but we need to pull our resources on this. I'm sure there are a few concerned people here who have the proper connections to reach Mr. Bondoc and let him know that he cannot generalize all Bikers in this issue.
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when will the government ever draft a policy on pesky two-wheelers?

The question is: are you one of that pesky two-wheelers?

If not, theres no reason to get mad regarding that article, the truth is,

nadadamay lang yung mga resposible riders dun sa mga pasaway na riders

admit it or not , 'di ko sinasabing lahat pero madami talagang

pasaway...peace
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here's another case of "Generalization"....these stupid Pasaway Riders are doing this to the motorcyling community....i hate to admit it, but unless the government fully implement the law (as there are no New ones)...everyone will be branded as "Pesky-two wheelers"....even the responsible ones....
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let's face it, talagang maraming pasaway, kahit saang lugar. and I am for the full enforcement of traffic laws. sana lang maging sincere ang enforcers at hindi kotong ang gawin.
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Who misunderstood it, me?
If I quoted your reply it means you but if not it means the thread starter. Your not the thread starter either so whats your problem?
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Many things has been said on this topic. Kung aasa tayo na may gagawin ang gobyerno, walang mangyayari sa buhay natin. masyado silang busy sa pag-iisip kung paano mangurakot nang hindi natin namamalayan.

Ang gagawin natin, obvious naman na marami tayong pasaway na kabaro, let's start it within ourselves. Let's observe rules and regulations, wear the right gears and hopefully tutularan tayo ng mga pasaway na ito. okies?
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Theres no need for another laws.. Traffic rules and regulations has been there. What we need is proper implemention of the laws, but instead those supposed to implement are the one who violates. LTO is the culprit, as long you have the MONEY to pay the FIXERS, you can get what you want. Why Public Transport Associations, specially Jeepney drivers are against the implemention of computerized examinations? Not because they dont know how to use the modern technology but instead majority of them dont know how to read. If only LTO can do their mandated task religiously, PASAWAY drivers can be eradicated.
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well he did call us pesky alright, we do have a pesky government who could not provide proper and descent roads, and pesky journalists who sometimes think their words are mightier than the sword, so they just slash away unknowing they are pesky too.
Our PUVs are the real pesky hazzards in our streets, yun ang dapat unahin.
I read Mr. Bondoc's column because they make sense and informative, like when he said about implementing old rules... but sometimes he is pesky too.
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kailangan muna ang linisin ang gov't patuparin mabuti ang mga laws. Kung may disciplina lahat naman yan susunod (sana) Dun sa nag sulat ng article, mag pasalamat ka na kung familia (kung meron ka) na sasakay mo sa kotse at hindi sa motor katulad ng iba, yun gov't natin ang sulatan mo ng article magkatino sila, by doing that we will bring more foreign investors at uunlad na ang pinas hopefully. For once, bakit hindi ka mag motor pa malaman mo yun other-side of transportation via motorcycle. Lahat ng modes of transportation my good & bad drivers.
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If I quoted your reply it means you but if not it means the thread starter. Your not the thread starter either so whats your problem?
not everyone quotes the comment they reply to, so he's just clarifying to which you were reacting to. he didnt diss or insult you naman, he just asked whom you were referring to, take it easy din.. temper your words naman din medyo parang hanap away e.
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As for me, I'm not affected. Why? Because I know for a fact that I'm not one of those "pesky" bikers he's pertaining to. So if you're a biker and you know that you're not one of those who are being described, why bother?

Sa totoo lang, asar din ako sa mga kapwa ko bikers na talagang "pasaway" sa kalsada. They all give us the bad image. Sana maging mas mahigpit ang LTO sa pagbibigay ng license sa mga bikers to stop the increase of these "pesky" riders. They're a threat to themselves and to the others (including other bikers). They don't follow traffic rules and regulations. There's one instance when I was driving my car, an underboner cut me off as in muntik ko na talaga masagasaan. Sa inis ko, binusinahan ko. Anong ginawa nya? He gave me the "Finger". Buti na lang kasama ko asawa ko dahil inawat nya ako bumaba ng sasakyan or habulin ang g@g0. I'm a biker myself but I hate these people. Siyempre, mas grabe ang inis sa kanila ng mga non-bikers that don't know a bit about motorcycling. Kaya wag na tayong magtaka kung paulit-ulit tayong makakabasa ng mga ganitong articles. Just accept the fact na nadadamay ka lang, that is, kung hindi ka pasaway. Pero kung pasaway ka... DAMN YOU!
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I believe responsible motorcycle riders shouldn't get negatively affected with the article. If you follow the rules/laws (helmets, etc...) and ride safe, nobody will have anything against you even if they throw the book at you. It's sad to admit that there are alot of undisciplined riders out there who are not consious (whether intentionally or unintentionally) of the proper and safe way of riding two-wheeled vehicles and they tend to endanger themselves and not to mention others. And again sadly,this holds true for many drivers of three, four and you-name it-numbered wheeled vehicles hehehe maraming mga kababayan dyan na pasaway. Tapos pati government and its personnel (LTO included!) natin most of them inutil at pasaway din hehehe haaay! disiplina talaga and kailangan para umasenso ang bayan. I believe everything should start from us, including positive change and proper order.
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