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Old April 29th, 2006
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Nonoy Abraham Suspended in National MX Races Indefinitely

ATTENTION: Counselor Wino Abraham, Tugegarao City, Cagayan
( notice served thru Tugegarao Mayors Office May 1, 2006 )
DATE: April 29, 2006
RE: ATTEMPTED MURDER CHARGES

Dear Sir:

The NAMSSA has conducted a hearing on your incident during the Bauang Motocross race held last April 28, 2006. It was explained that you and your son Nonoy Abraham and your team members of the Tugegarao racing team
( et all of 5 pax), assaulted our lone Jury Member and highest event official during the event.

The NAMSSA managing council has invited you to explain your case on April 29, 2006. With your absence NAMSSA shall sanction you with a indefinite suspension in all national motocross events and a fine of P20,000 + hospital expenses for broken bone injuries of our official.

Furthermore if this fine is not paid with in 7 days of this notice legal action shall be taking against you and your son - to file these charges as in our possesion we have medical report suffered by our Jury and police blotter on hand. The local police was looking for you to be brought to the precinct but you suddenly disappeared from the venue. Furthermore, as government employee we will seek as well legal action for the sanctioning of penalties by the legal bodies for administrative charges unbecoming of a public official.

NAMSSA will never tolerate participants with your behavior in any of our events. For you compliance and attention.

Mr. Stephan ‘Macky’ Carapiet,
Managing Director, NAMSSA Philippines

E mail : namssa01@hotmail.com

Tugegarao Mayors Office Fax 078 844 7592



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Old April 30th, 2006
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pwede po ba post kung sino mga nanalo sa BAUANG MOTOCROSS... SALAMAT PO.nalulungkot ako sa nangyari sa bauang--we are in your side NAMSSA....GOD BLESS
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Old May 1st, 2006
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grrrrrrrrrrrrr! di ko alam ang whole story pero...kailangan bang gawin ng mga taong ito ang karahasan...dapat gawing malaking issue ito...wag talagang palampasin...tandaan nyo na malaki din ang population ng MCP...we can really move things...gawan nyo ng ingay!!!
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let us hear first the other side " an angry man never thought that his anger is unjust".
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Exclamation Due Process

It is regrettable that something like this has to happen. Motox is suppose to be full of fun and excitement.

I made some interviews because I was not around and found out that there seemed to be a valid point to Mr. Carapiet's position.

Nonetheless, I must remind Mr. Carapiet that he must employ "DUE PROCESS" for the sake of fairness and justice.

Firstly, who are the members of the "NAMSSA Managing Council"? I believe the aggrieved individual, Arthur Valdez, is also a member. Will the complained party get an impartial treatment here?

Secondly, the incident happened on April 28, 2006. How did you inform Mr. Abraham about the "HEARING" on April 29, 2006 in such a short notice? I think you should have given them ample time to prepare, and considering that these people are from Tuguegarao, Cagayan, allowance for their travel. Also, considering that NAMSSA does not have an official address/office, except for your residence, where are you going to hold your hearing?

Thirdly, how did you arrive at the amount P20,000.00 as penalty? Does NAMSSA have any board resolution or policy to this effect?

I support your decision to suspend Nonoy Abraham pending result of an impartial hearing. I support your position that violence should not be tolerated especially in a sport where there are kids participating.

I also support your decision to file the necessary legal charges against the perpetrators of the violent act against Mr. Valdez; also, to make Mr. Abraham et.al. pay all the hospital expenses incurred.

With the police and medical report at your hand, you have all the necessary evidences to support your case in any legal forum.

BUT, I wish to remind Mr. Carapiet to refrain from invoking non-existing NAMSSA policies, such as the imposition of monetary penalties that may be construed as a guise for extortion. Threatening that a legal action will be made if the P20,000.00 penalty is not paid is actually grave coercion. You may ask your friendly lawyer for a legal opinion.

Good Luck.
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Quote: let us hear first the other side " an angry man never thought that his anger is unjust

No matter what kind of anger you have, doesn't justifiy the result of beatiing up someone that sends him to the hospital.
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I spoke to Arthur Valdez, the offical who was assaulted.

One of the assailants is the rider won the novice series last year and didn't want to be upgraded to the intermediate class. He and his father was insisting that he had to stay in the novice class to defend his championship.

When they were informed that he was rated as an intermediate rider and that was not to be so, The rider, father and three other men attacked the NAMSSA rep with thick wood sticks and a wrench. Resulting in facial injuries (broken bones) and broken hand.

FIVE against ONE .

A fit 20 year old racer, his dad & 3 additional men against a lone fat 56 year old man.

Unlesss it was self defense, which I seriously don't believe, doesn't merit physically mauling a race official because they want to increase their chance of winning a motorcycle race series another year.

A difficult case to defend, much less justify.

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Only in the Philippines...
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sad to say...

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sad to say but true
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sad incident.perhaps we can interview this guy abraham also. probably he could only get away with this in cagayan. this virtually ended his kids career.
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ganun ba ugali ng mga taga tuguegarao.
kc sa southern tagalog, bulacan at ncr maraming
obyus na dayaan sa mismong actual motocross
race pero wala pang nangyaring kagaya nyan.
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One of the assailants is the rider won the novice series last year and didn't want to be upgraded to the intermediate class. He and his father was insisting that he had to stay in the novice class to defend his championship.

When they were informed that he was rated as an intermediate rider and that was not to be so, The rider, father and three other men attacked the NAMSSA rep with thick wood sticks and a wrench. Resulting in facial injuries (broken bones) and broken hand.


i agree with the namssa decision, kasalanan rin naman nung bata kaya masisira na racing career nya, mangulpi ba naman sila e....my son races also sa underbone series, and if he wins sa novice, il ba a proud father of an intermediate racer, lalo na pag sa expert na sya:-) thats what wr aiming for and not to stick it out sa novice:-)

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Old May 5th, 2006
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I dont know how your rules are set up but here in the states when you are either the top 2 or 3 in your class you automatically move up to the next superior skill level. Is it written in your rule book? How else do you expect to become a better racer if you do not compete with people of equal or better skills? I will be moving to the Philippines next year and expect to compete as a novice initially and if told I will move up. To me sandbagging in the novice class is worse than getting beat in the intermediate class
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I dont know how your rules are set up but here in the states when you are either the top 2 or 3 in your class you automatically move up to the next superior skill level. Is it written in your rule book? How else do you expect to become a better racer if you do not compete with people of equal or better skills? I will be moving to the Philippines next year and expect to compete as a novice initially and if told I will move up. To me sandbagging in the novice class is worse than getting beat in the intermediate class
i definitely agree! every rider's goal is to move up to a higher skill level...it would be frustrating if you get stuck in the same class...better riders can go up very fast...but if they really wanted to stay in the same class? wow! its gonna feel like a senior student inside an elementary classroom...anyway sad that the fellow is gonna stay novice forever because he cannot join any sanctioned race anymore....SAD! bad for you boy!
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Let's All Work to Resolve This

The whole thread for the motocross event is a healthy exchange of ideas. We must all agree that we have to hear both sides. Pero we must also pay attention to the fact that one side was beaten with sticks and a wrench, eh baka di na siya makasalita. The point is simple: let us not tolerate this kind of violence in any motorsports activity.

I grew up behind the old Kalaw Hills and Tierra Pura motocross track and witnessed as many moto races as far away as La Trinidad Valley. I was a regular at the Fort Bonifacio races before they graded it down and made it into a commercial zone.

I've seen Butch Chase and the local greats do their thing for fun and healthy, friendly competition. I've seen PR folks like Butch Ayllon and the late Raul Locsin and his Kawasaki KX do their thing and live through it. I've seen the sport go into gasohol and the drastic move to 4-strokers.

I've seen the sport evolve well because of the efforts of Bos Macky and the NAMSSA and people like Mike Potenciano and Joey Almeda who are true motocross organizers. I've seen brawls and some little squabbles but never an attack on an official with this severity. (As described in the thread).

Sadly such incidents make it difficult for an already struggling sport to succeed and grow further. Sana po this will be the last time an ugly incident like this happens and that both sides come to at least a civil understanding--for the greater interest of local motocross.

Let us all work towards that in whatever little way we can.
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ganun ba ugali ng mga taga tuguegarao.
kc sa southern tagalog, bulacan at ncr maraming
obyus na dayaan sa mismong actual motocross
race pero wala pang nangyaring kagaya nyan.
hindi naman cguro....
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no matter what kind of anger you have, doesn't justifiy the result of beatiing up someone that sends him to the hospital.
__________________i agree with you 100%...and imagine beating up a 56 year old man....
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Nonoy Abraham and his dad "Konsehal" are friends of mine. They once stayed here at my house when they participated in a local race. It's so sad that this mauling incident has to happen.
We really can't do anything if Namssa wants to upgrade one particular rider. I believe that Arthur has all the reasons to move Nonoy up the intermediate class. Hinde naman siguro basta basta mag upgrade ang isang official kung walang adequate points. Eh ako way back 1988, Butch Chase of Cyssap,before changing to Namssa, upgraded me to the intermediate class in the middle of the season. Kahit hinde ko gusto malagay sa inter mid-season, eh wala naman ako magagawa. I had to comply.
I hope this violent act won't happen again.
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Old May 16th, 2006
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This is true, I can lap most 85cc riders on my minibike but since i am too old to race in that class i have to move up. If we all stayed in the class that we wanted then there would be a lot of 30 year old novice 85cc riders. It would be a lot of fun but not fair for the kids coming up. The point that most of the people on here bring up that disturbs me is the violence. I will be moving to the philippines next year and plan on racing all of the events offered. I would hope that if during an event someone gets mad at me for some reason that they do not come at me with theyre gang and try to beat me up. I go racing to have fun competing and dont care for any drama. If someone bumps me hard then I get mad but I get over it. The next race I just make sure to stay clear of them. I know that I will not be taking Carmichaels place at suzuki any time soon so it just doesnt matter. ITS JUST A HOBBY NOT A JOB, and hobbies are supposed to be fun.
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Post response of WINO R. ABRAHAM

TO: MR. STEPHAN "Macky" CARAPIET
NATIONAL MOTORCYCLE SPORTS AND SAFETY ASSOCIATION

This has reference to the NAMSSA faxed communication dated April 29, 2006 (notice received May I, 2006 sent by fax May 2, 2006 at 11:08 a.m.) involving the alleged Bauang incident.

It is unfortunate that I (Councilor Wino R. Abraham) seem to be the addressee, and mistakenly at that, because of the indicated sanction and fine in said letter that is not fitting and proper.

Everything notwithstanding, it is appropriate to remind the NAMSSA that I had always been its partner in the motocross sport. One such notable example is the 3rd AGGAO NA CAGAYAN NATIONAL INVITATIONAL MOTOCROSS held last June 28, 2003, during the celebration of the 420th AGGAO NA CAGAYAN (June 23 to 28, 2003) in Tuguegarao City. I organized and promoted this motocross event in partnership with the Province of Cagayan through Governor Edgar R. Lara.

For the said occasion, NAMSSA requested / offered to officiate our race so that it will become part of NAMSSA series of Motocross events for that year…. to which I agreed. In addition, I shelled out substantial personal funds to pay for NAMSSA staff, to the extent of shouldering their hotel accommodation and miscellaneous expenses. May I further remind that on this same occasion Arthur Valdez got into conflict and misunderstanding with riders and some local folks of Tuguegarao City. Being the organizer and also as partner and friend of NAMSSA, I protected Arthur Valdez by giving him a ride to his hotel, took care and secured him, thus, saving him from serious harm.

I and my son Ninoy, have always been involved in the motocross sport. It is unfortunate that the indiscretion of one man, Arthur Valdez, would kill our enthusiasm, aspirations and dedication to the sport. How could the NAMSSA be so irrational and unkind as to be slapping sanctions on extremely dedicated enthusiasts like us, whose participation is not only limited to becoming players but promoters and sponsors of the motocross sport as well?

Ninoy will not look at the entire fracas from his own point of view, but of course from the fact that Ninoy registered, and the registration and fee were accepted, Ninoy dressed up in riding gear with an adrenalin rush and psyched-up to race and win, only to be unceremoniously driven away thereafter from the starting gate by the rude behavior of a discourteous Valdez due to an upgrading of Ninoy from NOVICE TO EXPERT that was not known to the rider or our team except at that moment of the race when all spectators eyes were on the racers and Ninoy, as a crowd favorite was not hard to discard. Ang pangyayaring ito ay masakit sa sino mang RIDER.

Be that as it may, I still hope that this conflict finds quick resolution because my son is not only a rider but because Ninoy and I share the same passion and enthusiasm for motocross as a sport.

Thank you

Very truly yours,

WINO R. ABRAHAM
City Councilor, Tuguegarao City
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Old May 25th, 2006
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What you say is still no reason to hit an official. How would you feel if you made a decision as a city councilor that made someone mad enough to beat you up? im sure you wouldnt like it anymore than Mr. Valdez. Mr. Valdez made a mistake in accepting your sons registration or maybe in not fully reading it once accepted. He should have gone to you before the race and notified you of the problem. That still does not warrent getting beat up. If Mr. Valdez is discourteous then file a complaint and have him removed as an official dont assault him. Just because you have done so much for the sport in organizing, sponsoring and participating doesnt give you a license to assault anyone especially an official. Is assault the norm for solving problems in the philippines? I would think that someone of your position would have the mental capacity to know right from wrong. By the way, Mike Tyson has a passion and knowledge of boxing greater than most any other but when he bit the ear off of Hollifield look what happened. After he commited the crime he was banned for a period of time and I believe assault charges were brought against him.
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i agree with you hondacrf450:-) kumbaga e "walang physicalan" dapat usap-usap lang, be professional.
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Sir, it's a good thing that you aired your side, councilor. Now, we know the story of both sides. On your side, your team's person has been disrespectfully attacked & put into shameful situation seconds before the race started. Sir, you should demand the racing body to be heard before making a judgment on the case.
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