MCX Renegade 250 VS Bajaj Rouser 220

[Ryan Tan Yu]

Kumander always wanted the Rouser (it was new then). She just likes everything about it. I explained that CPI GRX 200cc (factory motard) is better choice due to several reasons:

• on and off-road suitability
• rush-hour traffic maneuverability
• significantly lighter, easy to lift front end when necessary
• upright riding position
• high ground clearance (can climb their stairs)
• less-costly if dropped

After presenting my arguments, I won our debate. We got the GRX, installment.
Months later, it was a most logical decision to return it.

1. Our business require kilometers of travel for deliveries and other stuff--the GRX had an average fuel consumption of 19 Km/L.
2. I emptied two engine oil bottles by constantly refilling engine oil because of a broken neutral switch (chain-slapped), causing oil to drip from the side of the engine. I ordered it 3 months ago, it never came.

I also decided to pursue my goals to be a professional stunt rider, so I need a bike I can fully modify without worrying about the dealer/owner. My first choice was the MCX Renegade 250cc for its specs and all the supermoto perks.

But kumander argued with getting the Rouser. If she wins such debate, her words are obeyed. That's just how decisions are made.

Against MCX 250, her arguments are:

• 50^ Km/L consumption (Renegade is at around 35 Km/L)
• Bajaj/Kawasaki Reputation (compared to China)
• Engine technology
• Eye candy (to her)
• Parts availability
• Service centers
• We can drive it home anytime (Renegade won't be available until May)

Now she has some strong points. I want the Renegade for personal reasons but I may agree with Rouser. I may be blinded by my love for supermoto which is why I can't decide well, so I need your help.

What other buying points should be considered between Renegade 250 and Rouser 220?
In my position, which one would you buy?
How would you argue one choice to be better than the other? (and which is which)

Hoping to discourage her, I said "If you insist, I'll get the Rouser and modify it (swing arm, headlight, some crash protection), which will then cost us more money." She's OK.

Here are some specs between Renegade 250 and Rouser 220 for your reference. Please help me decide between the two (you may disregard the GRX's specs).



Thank you po!
(I also created a poll, please vote!)

[nimitzbenedicto]

renegade250 po!

[crusaderpaolo]

sabi nila do the math sa cc. Eh di MCX Renegade! hehe.. di ko alam itsura nun, pa post naman pics. tnx!

[puberer]

go for rouser since may business ka. malaki tank capacity, fuel economy at parts availability.

gusto mo din naman i pursue ang stunt rider mo.

yang 2 muna ang pagdebatihan niyo kung ano mas priority niyo. then next pagusapan ang specs etc.

[Ryan Tan Yu]

sabi nila do the math sa cc. Eh di MCX Renegade! hehe.. di ko alam itsura nun, pa post naman pics. tnx!

Wala din silbe ang 250cc ng Renegade bro, eh pano 15HP lang ito. Napakahina kung ikukumpara sa Rouser 220, na 20HP. Pero at least mababa ang compression ratio.

Renegade 250 po itong nasa kanan, GRX 200 naman sa kaliwa:

CPI's GRX 200 versus MCX's Renegade 250

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For more pictures, click here.

[Ryan Tan Yu]

go for rouser since may business ka. malaki tank capacity, fuel economy at parts availability.

gusto mo din naman i pursue ang stunt rider mo.

yang 2 muna ang pagdebatihan niyo kung ano mas priority niyo. then next pagusapan ang specs etc.

Tungkol sa parts availability, di na kailangan i-order pa galing China dahil may parts naman dito sa Pinas (dito ang assembly). Pero sa fuel economy at tank capacity, panalo ang Rouser no doubt. Bat nga lang ba kasi ang bigat ng Rouser?!

Binanggit ko na lang yung stunting dream ko kasi gagawin ko na sanang permanent bike ito, in 3-6 months marami na akong free time nun matapos itong project balik na ako sa stunts. Besides pina-process pa health insurance kaya kailangan ko din yun hintayin.


Sa stunt bike modification naman, neutral ako sa both bikes because:

1. Renegade only needs sliders and stunt bars, and being motard it is prepared for the anticipated crashes involved in stunting. Drifting is also easier because of high center of gravity.
2. Rouser is already street-naked, it just needs new headlight, handlebar, [trellis-look] crash cage, stunt bars and sliders, stunt-bike na ang dating! Plus, 20HP can effortlessly pull off gas drifts (like Jorian did) and 2nd-gear wheelies.

Kaya mahirap mag-decide. But with the poll results I think alam ko na alin kukunin namin, pag-uusapan na lang namin this Monday. ^^


Thank you!

[Ppopex]

For no other reason that I own R220 so my vote goes to it

Try to drive the R220 sir para magkaroon ka ng direct interaction with the bike at ma i-compare mo ng maige ang choices mo.

[itchy4travel]

Biased ang answer ko dahil owner ako ng Renegade 250.

Pero mas gusto ko sana ang Rouser, kung mas mababa ang price niya sa Renegade. Mas type ko kasi ang long trip, at tamang tama ito...

Sa "bang for the bucks" nag swing ang boto ko sa Renegade. I felt that I got more motorcycle for my money.

Yung iba pa pala na nasa upgrade list ko ay Motoposh SBK 200 at Motorstar IQ 155 at R155.

Euro 150 kasi na Pantra ang current ko at gusto ko mag upgrade sa mas mataas ang displacement.

Type ko sana yung Motostra IQ 155 dahil cruiser type siya, kaya lang 150 din ang powerplant, kaya na-scratch siya.

Yung SBK 200 naman, nung tinry ko ang driving position, naka yuko. Kaya sa palagay ko, masakit sa likod sa long trip. scratch din siya.

Dun sa R155, ng makita ko sa Baliuag, ang laki ng rear sprocket at ang liit ng butas ng muffler. Hindi ko rin gusto ang size ng rear tires (15") at feel ko mahirap ihanap ng replacement. Hindi ko rin nagustuhan yung liquid cooling. Old school kasi ako, kaya mas gusto ko yung standard set up. Less complication ika nga. Kaya scratch na din siya. At wait na lang ako.

Luckily nakita ko ang thread ng Renegade 250 dito sa MCP, at kinulit ko talaga yung MCX main sa Meycauayan.

[itchy4travel]

sabi nila do the math sa cc. Eh di MCX Renegade! hehe.. di ko alam itsura nun, pa post naman pics. tnx!

Madaming pang pictures ng Renegade sa review ko sa kapitbahay natin.

Click here > http://underbonesphilippines.com/for...37795.175.html

[itchy4travel]

Hindi mage-gauge ang horsepower kung sa specs sheet lang ang pagbabasehan. Kung titingnan ninyo ang chart, 15hp ang Renegade but only at 7,000 RPM.

Pag ipareho ang RPM dun sa dalawang magkatabi, malamang mas mataas ang HP rating ng Renegade.

[Ryan Tan Yu]

Scaling down Rouser's power and weight it would be 15.7HP at 112kgs, so the +5HP is more of a hoo-ha. But taking my weight of 68kgs into the equation, that means a difference of 11.4% in power in favor of Rouser, that I probably won't feel until 100KPH^.

Bottomline, spec sheet shows 5.64 superiority in HP; but calculating bike and rider weight, the difference is only 1.71 HP.

[Ppopex]

Scaling down Rouser's power and weight it would be 15.7HP at 112kgs, so the +5HP is more of a hoo-ha. But taking my weight of 68kgs into the equation, that means a difference of 11.4% in power in favor of Rouser, that I probably won't feel until 100KPH^.

Bottomline, spec sheet shows 5.64 superiority in HP; but calculating bike and rider weight, the difference is only 1.71 HP.

Let's round it off, 2 horses difference still add kicks in favor of who has them

[Vengeance]

ryan tama ba nabasa ko? you did gave up the GRX??

[Ryan Tan Yu]

^ Yup, it's sad but it was a logical decision bro. :(

[itchy4travel]

85,000 Pesos ang Cash price ng Renegade 250.

Magkano ang Cash Price ng Rouser 220?

Adjustable ang damping ng front fork ng Renegade 250, Adjustable din ba ang damping ng Rouser 220? Please post picture.



Adjustable din ang damping(red screw) ng monoshock sa likod ng Renegade 250. Adjustable din ba ang sa Rouser 220? Please post picture.

Alloy multi link suspension ang Renegade 250. Ano ang sa Rouser 220? please post picture.



Inverted shocks ang fork ng Renegade 250. Inverted din ba ang fork ng Rouser 220. Please post picture.



Digital ang gauge ng Renegade 250. Digital din ba ang sa Rouser 220? Please post picture.

[lenin]

^ Yup, it's sad but it was a logical decision bro. :(

Going for the additional 50cc bro? :(

But the comparison for me is a little bit off lam mo naman ibig kong sabihin bro hehehehe

Rouser was developed for the street while the motard was developed for the dirt but was converted a little for street duties so I don't think the comparison of parts from both bikes would be relevant.

[Ryan Tan Yu]

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Digital ang gauge ng Renegade 250. Digital din ba ang sa Rouser 220? Please post picture.

To be honest, I'm not impressed with Renegade's digital panel. Hehe in fact I plan to remove it [and just simply not use it] when or if I get the Renegade. Mas gusto ko pa nga kung analog, motard kasi it shouldn't be heavily relying on electronics.

Going for the additional 50cc bro? :(

But the comparison for me is a little bit off lam mo naman ibig kong sabihin bro hehehehe

Rouser was developed for the street while the motard was developed for the dirt but was converted a little for street duties so I don't think the comparison of parts from both bikes would be relevant.

Not really the +50cc bro kasi halos pareho lang din naman sila ng maximum power output, iniinda ko lang talaga ang 19Km/L average consumption lalo't malayo ang biyahe ko araw-araw. Full tank ko (10 liters) 3-4 days lang, which means around 50 Kms of travel everyday, costing approx. 125 pesos in gas; sa Renegade, (-/+) 68 pesos lang, sa Rouser (-/+) 49 pesos lang. Laking tulong na din ang 57 or 76 pesos per day bro.

[lenin]

Tipid talaga sa gas nang 1st gen na mowtard ng CPI. 45-55 km/ltr average ko pag may tiririt tambutso hehehe.

Wait nyo lang project ko lapit na yun mwehehehehe

[itchy4travel]

Quick throttle ng Renegade 250;

Nung una, mejo na-intimidate ako. Baka kako hindi ko mapa smooth ang ride niya. Bandang huli, nasanay din, and I love it. Konting konti lang ang movement ng wrist ko ngayon.

[Ppopex]

85,000 Pesos ang Cash price ng Renegade 250.

Magkano ang Cash Price ng Rouser 220?

Adjustable ang damping ng front fork ng Renegade 250, Adjustable din ba ang damping ng Rouser 220? Please post picture.

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Adjustable din ang damping(red screw) ng monoshock sa likod ng Renegade 250. Adjustable din ba ang sa Rouser 220? Please post picture.

Alloy multi link suspension ang Renegade 250. Ano ang sa Rouser 220? please post picture.

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Inverted shocks ang fork ng Renegade 250. Inverted din ba ang fork ng Rouser 220. Please post picture.

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Digital ang gauge ng Renegade 250. Digital din ba ang sa Rouser 220? Please post picture.

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I'm impressed with what the Renegade puts in the basket, as an off-road enthusiasts I'd easily choose this bike too but I guess TS is needing a bike for daily commute, thus I recommend the R220. These 2 bikes have their distinct playgrounds, and either of them is better off than the other when you put them together in one distinct arena. Separately, the're both excellent bikes.

[itchy4travel]

I'm impressed with what the Renegade puts in the basket, as an off-road enthusiasts I'd easily choose this bike too but I guess TS is needing a bike for daily commute, thus I recommend the R220. These 2 bikes have their distinct playgrounds, and either of them is better off than the other when you put them together in one distinct arena. Separately, the're both excellent bikes.

OO nga ano.

We're comparing apples to oranges, just because they're both fruits.

Tama, TS should decide what's his preference is; because both are good bikes on what it's designed to do...

[Vengeance]

Tipid talaga sa gas nang 1st gen na mowtard ng CPI. 45-55 km/ltr average ko pag may tiririt tambutso hehehe.

Wait nyo lang project ko lapit na yun mwehehehehe

i was in disbelief until i red it here..i met a 1st gen CPI owner the other day and he bragged about its fuel consumption..fair enough..

our friend here is torn between fuel economy bike VS. a bike that suits his riding style which is the ever hooligan motard!

i'll be looking forward to whatever you go with in the end..but id still wanna see you do some badass tricks on it..whatever bike it is!

[innovationblue]

I still prefer Renegade 250. Although Rouser 220 is also good. But it seems your situation is more in favor of renegade 250. it is perfect for the stunts!

rouser 220 is still ok to be used for stunts. but aside it will be heavy. it is better to use in on smoother road surface such as city highway

[jbinueza]

Ryan,
I think the MCX Renegade 250 suits you best (bagay kaayo nimo/bagay talaga sa 'yo)...and whatever the outcome is, just follow your dreams..

[kosa_lucena]

ano po ba talaga ang fuel consumption ng renegade 250?