I chose theMCX Renegade 250. More displacement per Peso.
85,000 Pesos divided by 250cc = 340 Pesos per displacement.
CPI, 90,000 Pesos (?) divided by 200cc = 450 Pesos per displacement.
R155 is slightly ahead vs the CPI, but not much..
Last edited by itchy4travel; March 24th, 2012 at 11:09 PM.
hindi pwede isama ang Zongshen Moto-R, and Rusi AR150? ay 200cc up lang pala. il go for MCX on this one. medyo disappointing lang ung 6ltrs (IMO).
CBR 150R PGM FI || Dressed for the crash, not for the ride..
Yup, the R155 was close, especially with its price. But even almost twice the cost, I opted for GRX because of several reasons:
- 13HP just wasn't enough--can hardly wheelie on 2nd gear
- rear rim needed to be changed
- heavier than XR; XR is already underpowered for its weight
These were unfortunately very important to me. But for the Showa shocks, delta frame and its price? It was a no-brainer!
Hehe forgot to include Moto-R sa poll. But to be fair dito na lang sa dalawa with very close competition, or maybe not.
looks: renegade 250
specs: ganda ang grx
brand: i'll give it to mcx since pinoy... it's more fun in the philipines
LET'S RIDE WITH PRIDE!
mcx renegade 250
brand name - same rep to me as the grx.
Excuse me po! Lavet yung MCX 250. Planning to own one soon!
Maka pag Motor lang ng Bayan. Hinde tatantanan...LAVET!
MCX 250 ang mas lamang para sa akin
drive easy... drive cool... drive safe...
MCX for me. one reason is the price
kung nagkataon na hindi pa ako nakabili ng MOTO R, itong MCX at MOTO R ang pagpipilian ko.
pero i'd still go sa MOTO R. siguro dahil sa taste ko sa motor.
Last edited by puberer; March 25th, 2012 at 10:51 AM.
i voted for mcx 250.
I look on the specs and the looks. the 6 liters capacity makes me a bit sad but overall, i think it should be my power dirt bike
this is something bigger than my dreak dirt bike ybr125. and the price is just a bit higher than ybr125?
I think these kind of bikes does not have mud guard for the knees unlike the scooters :(
"Motorcycles are alive. We wake them up everyday, we check if they are ok from time to time, we live and ride with them, we wash them, we train them, we Love them and we share a part of our life with them." Love thy motorcycle as we Love thyself.
mcx din. pero binili ko xr200. lol
Last edited by ˝Throttle; March 25th, 2012 at 09:42 PM.
havent seen the mcx 250 personally.. konti lang nabasa ko na review about this bike.. kaya ang naging choice ko is moto r155 and grx 200, i ended owning a grx200 its 3 days old and im enjoying it..
il go for MCZ 250.. looks meaner and more aggresive.
btt: anybody here planning to change/upgrade their stock rear tires (140x70x17)? benta nyo na lang sakin stock tires nyo if ever. thanks! 0922 836 4650. Metro Manila area. needed this week.
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@ Ryan Tan Yu, nope sir.. group mate ko si paps Vengeance here in Bulacan..
@Ryan still havent got a unit yet?? if yes..you still have the chance to get the GRX back
looks like there is an obvious winner in this poll.. though im a GRX owner i also appreciate the stunning Renegade!
BTW: i changed my stock carbs and installed a 28mm oko with high intake air filter..
results: improved power, torque and response.. and to my surprise the vibration was gone..
Honda-Hyundai-CPI PPK 05-41Team SRR Supermoto Division
Yung Front 110/70/17 ay 2K pesos
At yung rear naman, 130/70 x 17 ay 2.2K Pesos.
Pero try nyo ring tumawad. Yun kasi ang first quote sa akin nung makita ko sa showroom.
THE WAIT WAS BLOODY. I prepared to wait for a month, but it took 3 months. I almost lost it. Now I know what keeps me sane, it's having a bike in the garage. Back to being a rider, I can sleep peacefully again. But at this point, I wonder: Did I regain sanity, or insanity?
I had to have a bike ASAP--my reduced mobility had greatly affected me financially. I posted: "If I don't get the Renegade by Friday, I will ride a Rouser 220 back home." Friday came, I didn't have time to go to the dealer so I went the next day after informing them of my intention. I got there at 5PM, and poof! The Renegade stood proud, awaiting her master. It was delivered that morning. It came with a little disappointment because I ordered white, but settled for black, then now only Orange is available for Cebu. They also surprised me with a downpayment increase from 12k to 17k, and a 1-month advance deposit 'for their security' (understandable, they wouldn't want the Renegade to end up with some jumpy raggidy-azz happy-go-lucky kiddo). Sure, I'll just make some KTM-like decals for it to match the indicated color in the papers. But I want it white by next year's renewal.
Now I've been riding it everyday [without registration] since Monday.
Forgive my adolescent review about these two bikes, these are the only "big ones" I've ridden for longer than an hour. I am certain I've reached [almost] full potential on these two bikes, and here is my completely-honest review (nobody's paying me--yet).
I expected to ride a motard with power equal to that of my previous GRX. '15HP' stuck on my mind as the maximum power for both bikes. After finally hearing the loud supermoto thumps by only the stock pipe, I knew my heart was at peace. It looks like my pipes here at home won't feel important for a year or so.
An emergency summoned me home and sent me for my first rodeo with the Renegade. Right at kilometer number one, there was a noticeable difference.
I am aware of the quick throttle's effect, and I immediately acknowledged the power margin. At the first stoplight, before even reaching 00002.0 on my odometer, I had already popped a wheelie--by accident. I was only trying to accelerate: No rev before clutch release, they were simultaneous. Even without the quick throttle system, there is no doubt: The Renegade can wheelie naturally starting from idle RPM. No need to set it higher. I chopped the throttle and abruptly dropped its front-end, continuing forward and shaking my head.
Getting an initial 'feel' of its true power, I tried popping a wheelie at 2nd gear. Oh, yes it does. It wheelies withOUT pulling the handlebars. We will surely have a good time together. A week into riding it I tried popping longer wheelies and 2nd gear seems to produce stable power, allowing me to sustain the wheelie as long as I'm in balance unlike the erratic power in 1st gear.
Breaking in. My idea was to "Ride the bike the way I'll be riding it all the time." In simpler terms, HARD.
I had a bad feeling about the speedometer reading from the beginning, and I verified it when I passed the reclamation highway on my way home. I reached a stunning top speed of: 81KPH. YES, EIGHTY-FREAKING-ONE. HA, HA. But I'm not worried about the speed, I'm worried about the reading. I'm sure it's false, I exceeded 100KPH especially inside the tunnel. In my crappy estimate, speed was around 105-115KPH, it's insane how inaccurate the speedometer is. Can't wait to try a friend's GPS in a few days (Special thanks to DavidsTech ).
Anecdote: In that same highway I had the chance to measure Renegade's power against a Yamaha XT225 (motard). I simply passed the Yamaha for a second, and next thing I knew he was up behind me trying to catch up. I let him pass and gave him the open highway--and stayed on his tail. After adjusting his side mirror to keep me in check, he gave it all the gas and tried to outrun me. The chase went on for about almost a minute. At the peak of my speed myself, he couldn't leave me behind by even an inch until we ran out of road. I concluded, Renegade's top speed is comparable to XT225's. I wasn't really expecting that, even thinking Renegade (being a China bike) would still be inferior to XR200 in power. Maybe I'm wrong.
Without the diamond box chassis, the GRX clearly wins in looks. Especially to the ladies. All the females who'd seen both bikes express undoubted preference in GRX. The diamond box chassis projects an appeal only to riders who can recognize its beauty anyway (I think). Although, as I throw a roundhouse over the Renegade, this remark seems to be a compliment: "Wow Ryan, ang laki naman niyan!"
The GRX has more space for decals, and I can think of a dozen ways to make it look more bad-azz. With Renegade, I plan to make KTM (RTY) decals to complement its Orange fairings, but I'm still open to ideas. I want to cover its exposed chassis with chrome or reflectorized stickers, the idea popped just now. A fellow mo-tard also suggested buffing the chassis+swingarm (chrome).
Same as with my GRX, I get random questions about the bike I'm on. Compliments too.
I liked the GRX for its solid overall appearance, compact design, sharp and aggressive edges, flaunting a futuristic look compared to Renegade's average supermoto look--especially to those who don't understand the diamond box chassis.
Just what is up with the headlight? At first sight I knew I wouldn't like it. Without the USD fork and wide front tire, it would look nothing like the true supermoto it is. IDK what they were smoking, but at least maybe a motard front fender could give it a little more impact. Everyone I'd talked to agrees with me, the headlight is ugly. Either I'm creating/applying the decals first, or replacing the front MX fender + ugly headlight with motard fender + racing plate or GRX/CPI headlight. Still open to ideas.
From the back, it is also noticeable how uneven the side fairings are, just like how the CRFs' pipe is given way. Not a biggie but that's a point for GRX for having even sides. That means my plan for an underseat twin-pipe for Renegade must come with an alteration of fairings through fiberwork.
My first stoppie with it took a swing to the left side, it is an indication of either uneven front suspension or misaligned front/rear tires. Second attempt was barely straight. Third, swing to the right. Then all my stoppies now swing to the right. Not sure if it's me or the bike, but I will have the suspension tuned by a veteran MX mechanic here some time soon. I also noticed a very slight disalignment in the rear tire adjusters and fixed it one morning. No balance issues at all with wheelies.
Riding no-hands also almost-unnoticably steers the bike to the right, strengthening my suspicion of poor balance in front fork suspension.
Seeing only a pic posted at our FB page, I noticed that the tail was slightly 'nudged' over to the left--and verified it that Saturday afternoon, both Renegades on display had their tails nudged by about 0.8 centimeter. Not a biggie but I just don't like it. Hours later 4 more Renegades were dropped, still the same--except one! But too bad I had already fired up my unit. The rear removable frame part needs a little bending, or probably replacement (with a fabricated one to accomodate rear stunt bars). A very close look also gives away a very slight misalignment in seating, and that, to me, IS a biggie. Hope the bending/replacing fixes it, I am in the process of requesting for that part to be replaced to fix the misalignment.
I guess this is the most interesting and relative part. How does it feel riding a Renegade through traffic? Like a BOSS.
The stock handlebar riser gives you that supermoto feel as you hold your elbows up to complement the whole supermoto projection. The quick throttle system eliminates the elbow-yanking on the throttle when speeding, which is most noticeable during wheelies (but still I'm getting rid of it soon). I think the height is a huge plus for Renegade. I see everything. It makes her look big. It [somehow] increases confidence in tricky maneuvers, although I'm still working on full control over clutch and throttle play. It could be the suspension, but I'm now getting more traction out of my Kingstone tires. Now when drifting, I get deafeningly loud screech all over the place compared to "ksshhhhhkkk" I used to make with GRX stock [Kingstone] tires. Resistance is also significantly higher, I have to give it to the 3.5" rear rims, which I am also planning to replace with 4.25" or 4.5" (if possible) in the future.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the Renegade. There are some things in GRX that I wish were in Renegade too but hey, you can't have it all. This review may be premature at its 200th kilometer, I might need to take back some of what I said today after its tune-ups and adjustments but we won't know until we get there. Right now I'm enjoying it, and I'm sure I still will for as long as she's mine.
Thanks for reading!