Starting August 1, motorcycle riders may have to deal with more requirements other than putting stickers on their helmets when they pass through Makati City.

Radio station dzBB reported Thursday that the Makati City police will set up checkpoints in key streets and require motorcycle riders to register with them.

The move came amid howls of protest from motorcycle riders against an upcoming requirement by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) to place stickers on their helmets.

Both the measures from the MMDA and the Makati City police aim to curb crimes involving motorcycles as getaway vehicles.

Makati City police director Superintendent Gilbert Cruz noted that motorcycles had been used in many crimes in the city.

He said he has ordered his personnel to double-check all motorcycles passing through the city.

Cruz said the registration aims to create a database of sorts for a particular motorcycle and its rider...


eto pa isa!!!!

Ordinansa na ba ito???

malaking subdivision na pala ang makati.

eto kaya huhulihin nila? driving without helmet in tandem hahahaha.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/leoblue_66/DSC00925.jpg

it will only be a bureaucracy on their part, why create another database when they can check it to LTO at all times,

LACK of ADMINISTRATION, better have themselves enrolled at ADMINISTRATION courses

Here we go again another hurdle.

well, if its a one time registration only i'll abide to that. kesa nman dikitan ng sticker helmet ko tapos branded pa na kriminal. with this one id gladly cooperate basta pakita nila na kagalang galang ang kasunod sunod sila. and if they'll approach as with respect wala problema. ganito din ginagawa sa caloocan sa may sangandaan, nililista plate number+license ng gumagamit pero one time lng nangyari to. record lng daw nila for future reference. para na din kasi police visibility yan para malaman ng masasamang loob na if ever papasok sila sa makati e mahaharang agad sila. kung wala nman tayo violation ok lng cguro to..

well, if its a one time registration only i'll abide to that. kesa nman dikitan ng sticker helmet ko tapos branded pa na kriminal. with this one id gladly cooperate basta pakita nila na kagalang galang ang kasunod sunod sila. and if they'll approach as with respect wala problema. ganito din ginagawa sa caloocan sa may sangandaan, nililista plate number+license ng gumagamit pero one time lng nangyari to. record lng daw nila for future reference.

scenario:
1. dumaan ako makati. pinahinto ako to register so nagpa register nako.
2. next visit ko sa makati, pinahinto ulit ako to register. sabi ko naka-register nako. verify nila records...intay ako...ok verified registration ko.

questions:
1. since identified ang "key" streets for checkpoints, will they share the same database? computerized ba ang registration or baka logbooks lang? baka mamaya, kada street i need to register?
2. how would makati enforcers know that i'm already registered? each time ba na pupunta ako ng makati, papahintuin ako para lang i-verify registration ko? nakow abala yun. or baka may sticker din silang ipro-provide as proof of my registration?

Kung registration lang naman, I don't see the problem. Compared to having my helmet vandalized. I'd say I have to sympathize with the police since they have to deal with sifting out the bad elements from the good ones using only low tech means. Their job is hard enough guys, I think everybody's so caught up in the heat of things nobody really sat down to think, oo nga no, how do they deal with crimes involving motorcycles as getaway vehicles? I you were in their shoes, what methods will you think of to get the job done? Wait for the next crime to happen?

I'm in no way related to anyone working in the police force but I am a worker who earns my dues as much as those honest ones in the force do. I have a job to do. They have a job to do. It just so happens their job involves having to bother us from time to time.

Sir Arco, San po yung checkpoint naka station?

well, if its a one time registration only i'll abide to that. kesa nman dikitan ng sticker helmet ko tapos branded pa na kriminal. with this one id gladly cooperate basta pakita nila na kagalang galang ang kasunod sunod sila. and if they'll approach as with respect wala problema. ganito din ginagawa sa caloocan sa may sangandaan, nililista plate number+license ng gumagamit pero one time lng nangyari to. record lng daw nila for future reference. para na din kasi police visibility yan para malaman ng masasamang loob na if ever papasok sila sa makati e mahaharang agad sila. kung wala nman tayo violation ok lng cguro to..



Starting August 1, motorcycle riders may have to deal with more requirements other than putting stickers on their helmets when they pass through Makati City.

sir arkitekto linawin ko lang po at hilighted na po "other than" so ibig sabihin bukod sa pagkakaroon ng sticker sa helmet dis is additional burden on our part as per stated sa question ni sir arco_72 do they have a CENTRALIZED database baka naman kada may madaanan ka na street sa makati ay kailangan mo magparegister palagi

mukhang magulo to :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Sort of a dragnet, dapat pa iba iba yung location. otherwise iiba lang ako ng daan iwas na kagad kung may kalokohan akong gagawin. Alam ko di supported ng Makati yung resolution ni Bayani?

hmm... i will comply with this one, kse sa makati ako nagwowork, and mukhang mas ok kung ganun ang gagawin nila yung one time registration, pero may point si sir arco... pano nila malalaman kung nakaregister na ko... kung sa logbook lang nila ilalagay, ang tagal nun.. ang dme kayang mga messenger sa makati, so pipila pa tayo, hehehehe, pero ok na rin to kesa sa sticker sa helmet, pero kung lalagyan din nila ng sticker to know that we are registered, saan sa motor?.. sa harap?.. kung sticker, sana yung mejo formal, yung parang pang subdivision,.. hmm.. pero kung may bayad.. mag isip isip muna ko.. gastos nanaman yun e... tapos abala pa :(... pero napansin ko, lagi ang checkpoint nila sa may kalayaan ave, malapit sa pasong tirad, dun ko sila nakikita lagi... pero sa pasong tirad ako dumadaan, kse labas ko rin pasong tamo e, wala pang mga jeep, wala ring mga pulis.. hehehehehe...

scenario:
1. dumaan ako makati. pinahinto ako to register so nagpa register nako.
2. next visit ko sa makati, pinahinto ulit ako to register. sabi ko naka-register nako. verify nila records...intay ako...ok verified registration ko.

questions:
1. since identified ang "key" streets for checkpoints, will they share the same database? computerized ba ang registration or baka logbooks lang? baka mamaya, kada street i need to register?
2. how would makati enforcers know that i'm already registered? each time ba na pupunta ako ng makati, papahintuin ako para lang i-verify registration ko? nakow abala yun. or baka may sticker din silang ipro-provide as proof of my registration?

point taken sir..kung ganito na scenario e ibang usupan n yan. kaya nga ang reply ko e kung one time registration lng e ok sakin. kasi there was this one time na ginawa to sa sangandaan caloocan, register lng as in then off you go. kasi kugn checkpoint sya i guess we have no choice but to cooperate din. kung abala na alternate route n lng. anyway, i guess we really cant comment on this unless the full detail is given to us.

@ stalker - from what i know tutol si binay sa plate on helmet and as explained sa other threads e hindi pa ito batas. pwera n lng kung iaadopt ni binay ung ordinance. as i said, if its a one time registration il gladly cooperate pero kung kada daan ko e iistorbo sila then hassle na un. il take alternate route na in this case.

sa makati nmn kaya tayo mg rally? what do you think? paging sir jojo!

grabe talaga sa makati anu na naman kaya ang susunud tsk tsk tsk

Ok na yan naka database kesa naman lagyan ng sticker yung helmet natin. dapat ganyan na lang ang gawin sa buong metro manila!

para sa akin ok yung iregister yung mc ko kesa lagyan ng sticker yung helmet ko.

panu kung passers by lang?? sana unahin muna kumuha ng database sa LTO bago sila mag pa register ng mag pa register. pano kaya ako passers by lang ako kasi hinahatid ko lang gf ko. yup i will comply kung 1 time registration or put a sticker on my mc basta maganda itsura hehehe no problem kung ung lang ung paraan para masugpo ung crime wag lang ang helmet kasi pribado na kasi ang helmet and di naman ginawa ang helmet para dikitan ng sticker. sana naka computerized and huge database wow gastos nanaman ito mag kano kaya matitipid nila kung ganito gagawin nila instead of putting some police me around sa tingin ko medyo mapapamahal sila kasi another set of huge database sa dami ba naman ng nag momotor eh mga 1 time passer lang..
sa pag kaka alam ko pwede na ung record ng LTO para maging database para wala ng redundancy para kasi sila gagawa ng 2 record at least kung sa LTO buong pilipinas meroong record

Para sa akin, pwede na to, to control crimes, walang masama basta kumpleto tayo ng supporting documents, kumpara naman sa sticker... may sticker nga ng plate number mo ang helmet mo, di naman iyo ang motor or, walang rehistro,... ang caloocan ginagawa na nila too, soon to be, magkakaroon "DAW" sila ng online database bawat heardquarters, to verify each riders... pabor ako dito, kapag naka record ka na, isang check lang tapos na... sana nga ganong kabilis.

May record database na ang LTO.

Bakit kailangan i-register ulit motor mo sa makati kung rehistrado naman ang unit sa LTO? Will there be fees to be paid?

Yung "sticker" ba na nagpapatunay na "rehistrado" ang motor mo sa Pulis Makati, di ma-peke?

It's the same stupid "remedy" as the helmet plate number sticker, this time it's Binay version.

Para sa akin, pwede na to, to control crimes, walang masama basta kumpleto tayo ng supporting documents, kumpara naman sa sticker... may sticker nga ng plate number mo ang helmet mo, di naman iyo ang motor or, walang rehistro,... ang caloocan ginagawa na nila too, soon to be, magkakaroon "DAW" sila ng online database bawat heardquarters, to verify each riders... pabor ako dito, kapag naka record ka na, isang check lang tapos na... sana nga ganong kabilis.

I live in North Caloocan, wala namang ganito...baka sa South Caloocan? Initiative siguro ng block commander ng police precinct?

I live in North Caloocan, wala namang ganito...baka sa South Caloocan? Initiative siguro ng block commander ng police precinct?

well, siguro nga, kasi 3 times ko ng na-encounter eh, yung 2nd at 3rd na daan ko sa 5th ave. di na ko hinarang... baka nga sa block commander lang.

well, siguro nga, kasi 3 times ko ng na-encounter eh, yung 2nd at 3rd na daan ko sa 5th ave. di na ko hinarang... baka nga sa block commander lang.


malamang dun lang yan sa area na sinasabi mo kasi ako sa mismong district (kaunlaran) lagi ako dumadaan tapos pauwi sa city hall pero wala naman ganyan.

always remember mga brader if this is an ordinance or statutory law there must be information dissemination

feeling ko lumiliit munda natin ha........... parang hindi tayo accepted sa community........ masama bang mag-motor?

di magtatagal ang motor natin pang subdivision nalang... bawal na sa kalye. naku wag naman sana magkaganun.

di magtatagal ang motor natin pang subdivision nalang... bawal na sa kalye. naku wag naman sana magkaganun.
kagulo na pag nangyari yan!

... at di magtatagal ang motor natin palamuti na lang sa backyard natin. aguy!

Welcome to the private subdivision of Makati.

What comes around goes around.... Whatta really twisted sunshine

Kalokohan yan.

Bukod pa sa sticker, gusto pa ng registration?

Ano tayo, uto-uto?????

Marami kasing bad trip sa motorcyclists eh, kaya di rin natin masisisi ang iba na idiscriminate tayo. Now I know what is the meaning of democracy in the Philippines.

Well for me, ok na rin yon, abala nga lang, pero at least no sticker on helmet, and besides folks, mata-trap na rin ung mga magnanakaw ng motor, esp. in Makati... Suggestion lang po, do not leave your COR and OR sa compartment ng motor(place it in your wallet together w/ your license), incase na ma-motornap ung bike mo, hold sila sa checkpoint...IMO lang po, :*

Once these resolutions filter down to the level of implementation, it's too late for protests IMO. The horse has already bolted. All the rallies under the sun are unlikely to alter the outcome, because rallies don't offer solutions to the authorities responsible for the problems.

Either the motorcycle representative bodies have to do more effective lobbying at higher levels, or you might as well make the best of the situation.

People power style protest doesn't solve all issues. :)


Dave.

Once these resolutions filter down to the level of implementation, it's too late for protests IMO. The horse has already bolted. All the rallies under the sun are unlikely to alter the outcome, because rallies don't offer solutions to the authorities responsible for the problems.

Either the motorcycle representative bodies have to do more effective lobbying at higher levels, or you might as well make the best of the situation.

People power style protest doesn't solve all issues. :)


Dave.

so how can we solve the issues?

just accept the fact that WE must abide by disgusting/discriminating policies?

so how can we solve the issues?

just accept the fact that WE must abide by disgusting/discriminating policies?

Yes, bro..... whether we like it or not......... we will abide by the these disgusting/discriminating policies

Naalala ko yung movie ni Demi Moore na "Scarlet Letter", yung scene dutch pa yata. Bale nag commit siya ng adultery and tried in court. Ang punishment, ipahiya sa publiko at bitayin.

So binigyan siya ng kiwuntas.... na isusuot niya pag nasa labas siya. Isang kuwintas na may malaking medallion. Di pa nasiyahan yng mga judge, binigyan pa siya ng isang batang may drums......... everytime na lalabas siya kasama niya ito at nagda-drums parang ipinaaalam sa lahat na dumadaan yung babaeng kumaliwa sa asawa.

Ngayon......... parang ganun tayo....... May Sticker hindi lang sa helmet pati ngayon sa motor.

Ewan nakakalungkot ganito sistema ng gobyerno natin.

it will only be a bureaucracy on their part, why create another database when they can check it to LTO at all times,

LACK of ADMINISTRATION, better have themselves enrolled at ADMINISTRATION courses

sir baka di mo lang to napansin..


Starting August 1, motorcycle riders may have to deal with more requirements other than putting stickers on their helmets when they pass through Makati City.

Radio station dzBB reported Thursday that the Makati City police will set up checkpoints in key streets and require motorcycle riders to register with them.

The move came amid howls of protest from motorcycle riders against an upcoming requirement by the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) to place stickers on their helmets.

Both the measures from the MMDA and the Makati City police aim to curb crimes involving motorcycles as getaway vehicles.

Makati City police director Superintendent Gilbert Cruz noted that motorcycles had been used in many crimes in the city.

He said he has ordered his personnel to double-check all motorcycles passing through the city.

Cruz said the registration aims to create a database of sorts for a particular motorcycle and its rider...


yes sir the same database but DIFFERENT QUERY

sir correct me if i'm wrong, di naman po yata lahat ng MC na naka-registered sa LTO eh DUMADAAN ng MAKATI ;)

bakit nga ba meron pa? ano ang silbi ng plate no. na may yearly sticker? kaya tayo meron nito para makikilala ang mga motor or vehicles natin for that matter. ang walang plate no. or di makita ang plate no. may huli agad yun. Strict implementation lang naman sa tingin ko ang solution, walang palusot na kesyo ganito ganyan. kung may violation, pataw agad kung anuman parusa ang meron.

kung ung ngang legal na plate number nagagamit pa rin sa krimen, ano pa kaya ung kung ano-anong ordinansa ang nilalabas. ano ang assurance na kapag nagparegister ka ng motor or naglagay ka ng sticker sa helmet eh mababawasan na ang kriminal sa kalye? sigurado ba sila na di na sila gagawa ng krimen?

kahit punuin pa ng sticker ang motor at helment mo or oras oras ka magregister kung alang pulis na nakabantay, sa tingin ba nila mababawasan ang kriminal?

kaya meron lto para centralize ang systema at di hiwa-hiwalay ang mga batas.

OT lang po. pangkiliti lang sa bahay-galit nyo.

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KAREN TIONGSON-MAYRINA
GMA News Research
07/24/2007 | 07:19 PM

A senator is entitled to P200 million in pork barrel, a congressman P70 million. Provincial governors and city and municipal mayors have access to the Internal Revenue Allotment, the local governments’ share from national taxes collected.

Many political families whose members hold national and local posts thus can lay their hands on billions of pesos in taxpayers’ money.

Twenty political families with many incumbent government officials elected last May have in their influence a total of close to P20 billion for this year. "

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/52519/20-political-clans-control-billions-of-pesos-in-pork-barrel-govt-funds for more details.

dito napupunta ang mga taxes natin. di biro na pera ito.

salamat po!

Mas papaboran ko na to, kaysa helmet sticker...

para sa akin isa lang ang pinahihiwatig nito eh, KRIMINAL ANG NAKAMOTOR! Ganon din e, mantakin hinto ka sa isang kanto for registration e bumalik ka kinabukasan hinto ka ulit sabay sabi ng pulis ay sige nakaregister ka na sige na! e pano kung nauutot ka:eek: at sa harap ka nya nautot sabihin binabastos mo pa sila!:O Nyaaaaaa! ganon din ito e iniba lang ang flavor!:banana:

Eh bakit hindi na lang iyong mga naglalagay ng POLICE, DILG, GOVERNOR, KAGAWAD, LTO, MALACAÑANG, stickers ang paghuhulihin nila at iyong nagsusuot ng hindi authorized na uniform ng AFP, PNP, SWAT, pati na iyong mga Police Barangay iyong mga "look a likes" ika nga! ang paghuhulihin nila!

so how can we solve the issues?

just accept the fact that WE must abide by disgusting/discriminating policies?
If it is left until implementation stage, then yes, you abide by it. What choice do you have?

I think the MMDA resolutions are as crazy & pointless as you do, but the MMDA are having their a$$ kicked by PGMA over bike crime. As far as I know, nobody is offering solutions to the MMDA.

Now I realise this may be difficult, but put yourself in a non bike riding MMDA person's shoes for just a minute (ala BF). You have an idea (irrelevant whether it's good or bad) that gets the boss (PGMA) off your back, but the bike riders don't like it. Would you implement the idea, or would you make your life difficult for yourself by not implementing the idea & have the boss upset at you, simply to make people you don't even know (the bike riders) happy?

So my point was, if the motorcycling representative groups are going to be reactive, rather than proactive, then rallies after implementation are a waste of time.

In defence of the motorcycling representative groups there, it's not an easy task, & the ones here in Aus are making the same mistakes. I guess motorcyclists are the world's easiest punching bags.


Dave.

So my point was, if the motorcycling representative groups are going to be reactive, rather than proactive, then rallies after implementation are a waste of time.

In defence of the motorcycling representative groups there, it's not an easy task, & the ones here in Aus are making the same mistakes. I guess motorcyclists are the world's easiest punching bags.


Dave.

OFFtopic - sorry -

Dave - you from Australia? What bike do you own?

Anyway - in response to this, us riders here are trying to understand and are also volunteering to be vigilant on MC related crimes we submitted that in the petition to MMDA during the rally and the theme of our rally was Motor laban sa krimen - which means motorcyclists against crime - now isn't that being proactive...?

I do agree though that global Discrimination on biker riders is evident sometimes.

registered naman lahat ng mc ah. unless na di nagparehistro sa LTO.

parang sobrang discrimination na ang nangyayari. generalizing us and branding as criminals. eh marami rin namang criminal records using cages. hayy, making simple things worst.

magkabayo na lang kaya tayo, pwede ba sa EDSA o sa makati un?

remember those picture taking kuno from makati enforcers? wala rin.. tsaka masipag lang naman dyan yng mga nakakaisip hindi yung mga nangkukuli..

eto kaya huhulihin nila? driving without helmet in tandem hahahaha.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/leoblue_66/DSC00925.jpg

alam mo paliwanag nila sa ganyan!! "Pasencya kayo kasi kami nasa gobyerno kayo wala" mga **** yung mga yan eh!

gusto lang nla pgtakpan ang kakulangan nla s mga implementation s law enforcement...at nakasilip nanaman cla ng bagong pagkakakitaan ... k*****an... my bagong trend n nanaman ng corruption... bakit... kung may sticker b yung helmet m ... ibig sabihin ... d kana suspect... bkit d b nil naisip .. n kya din gumawa ng mg criminl ng sticker... lahat ngayong nagagawan ng paraan .... eh kung gayahin yung ..plate no. k at biglang namaril... ibig sabihin ako n suspect... d naman ata makatarungan... dapat ... magtulongan tyo...mga motorista... .

OFFtopic - sorry -

Dave - you from Australia? What bike do you own?
Yes, Brisbane. Relocating to Manila though, hopefully by beginning of next year. :)

1995 YZF600R "Thundercat".


Anyway - in response to this, us riders here are trying to understand and are also volunteering to be vigilant on MC related crimes we submitted that in the petition to MMDA during the rally and the theme of our rally was Motor laban sa krimen - which means motorcyclists against crime - now isn't that being proactive...?
Well actually, that describes a very reactive response.

To be proactive the solutions have to come before the MMDA's proposals. If these solutions were submitted at the rally, then that is after the MMDA proposals, because the rally was to protest the MMDA proposals.

What's needed there is an effective motorcycling representative lobby group. If there already is a lobby group, then it needs to be more effective than it is. As I said, not an easy task because public servants are masterful a$$ coverers.


Dave.

What's needed there is an effective motorcycling representative lobby group. If there already is a lobby group, then it needs to be more effective than it is. As I said, not an easy task because public servants are masterful a$$ coverers.


Dave.

Yup.

But the thing is, everyone just sit content on their a$$es until something comes up before raising up a ruckus, or in most cases, just whine in these forums.

so ang pag register sa makati city eh pag na check point ka na tsaka ka lang makakakuha ng sticker? ganun ba.

sir baka di mo lang to napansin..



yes sir the same database but DIFFERENT QUERY

sir correct me if i'm wrong, di naman po yata lahat ng MC na naka-registered sa LTO eh DUMADAAN ng MAKATI ;)



sir no offense meant but how can you say DIFFERENT QUERY can you read their mind/s

sir baka ito po ang di mo napansin Cruz said the registration aims to create a database of sorts for a particular motorcycle and its rider...


this is a clear PREJUDICE on motorcycle rider/s in particular

Yes, bro..... whether we like it or not......... we will abide by the these disgusting/discriminating policies

HELL NO!!!!

It seems that the rally must have worked after all. The sticker proposal has been withdrawn it seems.

It's amazing to me how many times people power will force change there. It has more lives than Lazarus. :)


Dave.

eto kaya huhulihin nila? driving without helmet in tandem hahahaha.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/leoblue_66/DSC00925.jpg

teka walang sticker ng plate number ulo nila.. hehehe:evil:

this is a redundancy.


binay binay binay.