what are the pros and cons? anyone?

pros?

both are light, very cool add ons to your bike.

cons?

your wallet says ouch! more so on the titanium cans.:D

Correct me if i am wrong but I believe that one of the advantages of the Carbon exhaust over the Titanium exhaust is that the Carbon Fiber exhaust does not heat up that much. Do a 250 kph run then after that you can still touch the Carbon Fiber endcan without burning yourself. As they say...less heat means more power.

Yup, I think i heard somethin about that heat thingy on the carbon fiber material exhaust....

forget the cost for a moment :D

Squirtle

For me il go for Carbon Fiber.

ok, thanks for the tip!

Originally posted by spdfgtr
...As they say...less heat means more power.

Not quite so in this case. The reason behind this is that carbon fiber materials are very good heat insulators. They don't disipate heat as much as metals do.

Having a not-so-hot exhaust can does not relate to having more power.

if i had the money id go for titanium. one thing about carbon fiber once the exhaust packing has worn then the carbon fiber can actually burn. no kidding. even on a none race bike this can happen. more so one a race machine. this is what happened to the foggy petronas bikes during the monza race.

titanium will also last longer than the cf cans. some say they dent easy but thats not such a bad trade of. to tell you the truth so what if you can touch the cf even after a long ride? i dont see any point in feeling the exhaust anyway unless you have this thing for it. do you? :8

i use the cfs because they came with the bike when i bought it but if i had the dough then id go for Ti anytime!

I'd go for the Ti exhaust. A few CF exhausts have been known to unravel -- and let me make it clear that this shouldn't be taken as a generalization -- but for certain, a Ti can won't do that.

Taking off from doughboy's post, it would be easy enough to change the packing on either a CF or Ti can, but I'd be more confident about the Ti especially if the endcap is being held on by rivets, and I'd have to use a rivet gun to re-attach the end-cap.

And if money's no object, then go for Ti.



OT: doughboy, it's Poch -- sorry if you thought I didn't acknowledge you that last time we saw each other on Katipunan. Was frying in my jacket and probably didn't move enough for you to see that I greeted you. :)

Carbon fiber is a FIBER right? .... Once damaged or worn out, it'll look like a fiber glass that's disentegrating and not repairable.

Titanium is repairable if damaged or dented.

:)

I don't think Carbon fiber has a higher heat tolerance compared to Titanium.

Originally posted by doughboy_748r

to tell you the truth so what if you can touch the cf even after a long ride? i dont see any point in feeling the exhaust anyway unless you have this thing for it. do you? :8


This is precisely the main advantage of the Carbon end can over the Titanium. Its ability to remain a lot cooler even after hard use gives exhaust system manufacturers and race bike manufacturers the flexibilty to install the end cans closer to the seat cowl thus giving the bike more clearance for banking. A lot of late model sport bikes nowadays have Carbon end cans as OEM and they are mounted right under the seat cowl which gives maximum clearance for either side when you bank the bike. do that with a Titanium end can and you run the risk of frying your seat cowl.:8

For me its Carbon fiber...both for affordability over Ti and the wow factor it gives. :C

hey poch! yeah i saw you acknowledge me no probs!

spdfgtr,

the main advantage of cf is its weight. from an economical side its generally cheaper than Ti. the oem cf is not the top grade that you might think. yeah under seat exhaust will give you better clearance but they were primarily put there for aero dynamics and style (you know those italians). put a high mount on an r6 and im sure you'd be down even before you even can scrape that thing on the ground.

If you really want to reach out and touch an exhaust, an insulating sleeve between the fiber fill and the outer sleeve (be it carbon fiber or Ti) will take care of your needs.

Underseat systems for ground clearance? Come on, spdfghtr, how many side-mount end-cans do you see touching down in pro races? None. Lean angle doesn't necessarily make you go faster -- check Rossi's sliders at the end of a race, they're hardly scuffed (that's why they make such great souvenirs :) )

And how can something cheaper have more of a wow factor?

OK, I confess, I have a Ti fetish. My racer bike is a Merlin Titanium, and I would love to have a Blue Flame Dual Port Oval Titanium end can. Aside from the obvious strength and brutal good looks that Ti can have, I guess I have a distrust of carbon fiber. I've seen carbon fiber bike frames unravel. I've seen a Ducati Monster lose one of its twin high-mount exhausts because the CF gave up. That simply doesn't happen with Ti -- you would have moved on to another end-can before it even starts to corrode.

There are a lot of degrees of manufacturing of CF, and if you want an assurance of quality (i.e., that it won't disintegrate on you), you're talking a difference of $10-20 dollars from a Ti product. For that kind of difference, I'll take the Ti.

Peace, bro. :)

Originally posted by spdfgtr
............Its ability to remain a lot cooler even after hard use


Yer right about that. :)

mean streak.. is dat u poch? i was lookin for u ever since mcphils rebooted. so how r u? my bike is ok na. problem now are the bulbs. my low are burnt. i only got hi beams. question. have u tried adjustin the headlight beam? i tried moving the knob and i got up and down beams. but from side to side?

poch,

you have a merlin? ive always wanted that ever since. never was able to try a Ti frame though. always had steel. do you still ride it? mine still around but im not sure if i have the power to ride it pa!!

Hi, Jeff, yeah, it's me. Thought you would e-mail me if anything came up since I know you have my personal e-mail. Great to hear that the ZXR400 is all put together again.

I never adjusted the angle of the bulbs, so I'm not sure if there's an adjustment. If there is, it's probably on the side of the headlight mount diagonally opposite from the vertical adjustment.


doughboy -- I never tried a good steel frame myself. Went from an aluminum Cannondale, punished my back for a year, then went for broke on the Merlin. The things you read about Ti's suppleness and bump-absorbing ability are true. And you want to hear something else? The entry level Merlin RSR which I got, reportedly has the same ride feel as the high-end Lightspeeds -- the RSR is one of the last models Rob Vandermark made (and signed :) ) before he left Merlin for Seven Cycles.

I loved riding that bike so much, it was a whole-day kind of bike, for around two years. Then I got sick for a month, then I discovered motocycles -- and I've been doing that bike a disservice ever since. Can't bring myself to part with it tho -- that would hurt too much.

... and now back to our regularly scheduled topic ...

I've seen a Ducati Monster lose one of its twin high-mount exhausts because the CF gave up.

GULP...

Now to find a nice carbon fiber/ titanium exhaust importer

Which is tougher anyway? With same dimensions, Carbon fiber or Titanium.


Say tougher on BENDING STRESS?

Which is tougher anyway? With same dimensions, Carbon fiber or Titanium.

I think it would have to be titanium. Definitely titanium. Definitely...

Originally posted by Squirtle
I think it would have to be titanium. Definitely titanium. Definitely...

Hmmmm ... that's what i had in mind .... only in doubt. :D .... hehehehe.

I hope if they have succesfully discovered the way to manufacture the SPIDER'S WEB and manufacture it without the spider's help. I guess it'll probably be one of the hardest material made by MAN.

Originally posted by Wolver888
I hope if they have succesfully discovered the way to manufacture the SPIDER'S WEB and manufacture it without the spider's help. I guess it'll probably be one of the hardest material made by MAN.
The term you're looking for is BIOMIMETICS.

Squirtle -- go for the Ti, man. Does the Duc 800S require dual pipes?

Originally posted by Mean Streak
The term you're looking for is BIOMIMETICS.


Yeps. I was wondering someday it might be a reality ... motorcycle parts from spiderweb materials. :) Just like carbon fibers. :)

Originally posted by Mean Streak

Squirtle -- go for the Ti, man. Does the Duc 800S require dual pipes? [/B]

Yep, the Monster require dual pipes. Why?

No worries, Squirtle, just refreshing my memory if it was a single or dual exit system. So ... have you decided?

Sadly, I could only find this link for your pride and joy:

http://www.indigosports.com/leovince/index.html

Tried Blueflame, Akrapovic, and Arrow but I don't think they're updated yet for the 800 -- am I right that this is an '03 bike, upgraded from the 750 i.e.?

Cheers.

Yep, I think the 800 is the upgraded from the 750.

Thanks for the site. Will check it out. Though haven't exactly decided which one. I think sourcing will be the factor since I haven't seen much Ti's around. Oh well, let's see...

Thanks again.

The nice thing about Leo Vinci is that their products come in aluminum, Carbon and Ti -- as well as high- and low- mount, to add to your decision-making woes :)

If I had the money, a high-mount Ti SYSTEM would be the thing for my bike ... but I don't. :rolleyes:

Will therefore just live vicariously thru your purchase of your own end-cans, whatever those may end up to be. Good luck.

You might want to ask Access Plus too -- if I recall the Arrow website right, they're the local distributor for Arrow exhausts.

Originally posted by Mean Streak
The nice thing about Leo Vinci is that their products come in aluminum, Carbon and Ti -- as well as high- and low- mount, to add to your decision-making woes :)

If I had the money, a high-mount Ti SYSTEM would be the thing for my bike ... but I don't. :rolleyes:



Will therefore just live vicariously thru your purchase of your own end-cans, whatever those may end up to be. Good luck.

You might want to ask Access Plus too -- if I recall the Arrow website right, they're the local distributor for Arrow exhausts.

Wouldn't a high-mount exhaust hinder the passenger?

Access is kinda expensive... shhh... Toti might see this! :D

It could -- so if you intend to carry a pillion, go with the low-mounts instead. The high-mounts just look cool, that's all, but they bring no performance gain. Poser points, that's all :D

Re: Access -- I dunno, maybe if it's on order rather than an item they'd have to carry in inventory, it might come out cheaper, no? Worth a try, especially since you should be in the Desmo club.

Actually called Access, and they only have CFs. I guess more people go with the CF cans since the Monster has CF bits all over it.

Anyways, thanks for all your input. Helped me a lot. Am gonna try to find a way to bring the exhaust myself to cut the cost. I hope.

:)

Good luck:)

If I had a dollar (or peso) for every girlfriend, sister, younger brother, son or other person beside the rider who burned their hand, arm or leg on a hot pipe (because they were too close to it and accidentally bumped into it), I would not be a millionaire but I would have a fist full of dollars (or pesos).

I've also seen melted heels from passengers shoes resting on a hot exhaust can near the passenger pegs.

If after considering the above caveats you really what Ti then go with what moves you. Chances are you will move on to a different bike before either can gives you a problem unless you damage them accidentally. Ride safe. cdc