Pre,

Sinong iboboto nyo? survey lang po ako, salamat:* :* :*

MY DO BUSTER....

hmmmm eddie gil......joke

i think il go for GMA. i have nothing against fpj though, he is a good guy (one of our members is running under fpj ticket).

Is GMA doing bad? I'll give her another chance than to turn politics into holywood!

My dos centavos....

sorry, but i will vote for PING!

I do realize I don't understand Philippine (or American) politics but I really can't understand why anyone would elect an actor with no government experience at all and has, as far as I know, never yet been able to answer simple questions about his policies, etc. His working experience consists of pretending to be someone else speaking words written by someone else.

Maybe I am dumb but I just don't get it.

i'm still for Roco :)

GMA or ROCO



My parents like FPJ I dunno why ? Maybe its their idol thats why they want him :D I always pissed them off when i told them that FPJ will not win and his no good for the country he might just go back in making movies coz politics is different!

I get the impression Rocco is an honest guy - Wow! an honest president. that would be great. My question is can he do the job? A guy as honest as he seems to be would have a lot of powerfull enemies. All the hundreds of government people who are now stealing billions from the people would be trying to drag him down any way they can. Is he tough enough to handle it?

An experienced honest president clearing out the corrupt slime is probably the only thing that can get this country back where it belongs as one of the leading Asian countries but its gonna be one hell of a tough job.

Most foriegners just laugh when FPJ is mentioned which means if he gets elected even more investors and employers will leave and the peso will drop even further making everyone even poorer.

Most foriegners see Lacson as a gangster - same result as FPJ.

GMA is seen as maybe not great but not stealing the peoples money and she has made some progress in improving things. I get the feeling she sometimes gets a bit power drunk.

Take all the above with a pinch of salt. I know almost nothing about Philippine politics so it is just observations.

As quoted from the Philippine Star, Teddy Benigno's column 3/5/04:

GMA, FPJ. The consensus is that the presidential campaign has been narrowed down to them. The others - Raul Roco, Ping Lacson, Bro. Eddie Villanueva - have been virtually consigned to political oblivion by a political system weighted only by money, by machine, by popularity. Leadership qualities count for nothing.

... I have often been asked why we cannot have a new set of leaders, capable, idealistic, creators, entreprenuers and builders. My answer has always been the same. The new leaders will come later on, tested in the upheaval of social turbulence, brave hearts they, patriots.

Both GMA and FPJ are the children of circumstance.

The first comes from the elite largely responsible for the wreckage the nation is wallowing in today.

The second comes from a movie fable, a fable so gorgeous and successful that the other half of the same elite has grabbed him as their prize presidential trohpy. The final answer is that we Filipinos live in a pathetic kingdom of the blind.

The one-eyed help themselves to all the goodies.

GMA, FPJ nor the rest of today's "leaders" have what it takes to be in the likes of "the Lee Kuan Yews and the Muhamad Mahathirs, the Park Chung Hees and the Chang Ching Kuos. The Thaksins and the Prems." These are leaders with vision, goals and discipline which propelled their nations to the path of development and out of the rot. The same rot we cannot seem to get ourselves out of. Ninoy Aquino was one of our best hopes. But you all know what happened to him. Mr. Marcos was the other great hope... but he just blew his chance, over and over. I have yet to see someone in the caliber of these people.. with the same vision for the country to bring it to greatness.

So.. GMA or FPJ?

Hmmmm.... well, someone has to be elected, one way or the other. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Frank Woolf
I do realize I don't understand Philippine (or American) politics but I really can't understand why anyone would elect an actor with no government experience at all and has, as far as I know, never yet been able to answer simple questions about his policies, etc. His working experience consists of pretending to be someone else speaking words written by someone else.

Maybe I am dumb but I just don't get it.

Sad to say. Most of "less fortunate" people dont think about it. They just looking on how popular is the person is. On any politics there is always a corrupt. NOBODYS PERFECT. I dont know why other people think like that. How can you run a country if you dont have any idea how to rule it. Popular people RULES other because his/her idol. GOD!!! wake up people... we are getting nowhere

Originally posted by bojok
Sad to say. Most of "less fortunate" people dont think about it. They just looking on how popular is the person is. On any politics there is always a corrupt. NOBODYS PERFECT. I dont know why other people think like that. How can you run a country if you dont have any idea how to rule it. Popular people RULES other because his/her idol. GOD!!! wake up people... we are getting nowhere
Yes we need to wake up! Wake up to the reality that we need to change our hearts......Corruption will be solved if Filipinos will change their ways and thinking...bribing and accepting bribe. First to stop corruption is not bribing and accepting a bribe at all.....

I thought of what to write, but I guess everyone is already aware of what is happening and how it will be solved.

So hear this..... I vote SVince650S for President!:D
Teka Barangay Captain ba muna?:O

Originally posted by botchix
So hear this..... I vote SVince650S for President!:D
Teka Barangay Captain ba muna?:O

I second that! Barangay Captain today, President tomorrow!

Granted that GMA isn’t the best candidate, I don’t see how an uneducated or inexperienced individual such as FPJ could even have a chance of being elected President of the Philippines.

The uneducated and inexperienced Joseph Estrada made a mistake in believing that he could also successfully run a country. In an interview with American journalists, Estrada said that if Ronald Reagan was successful he could be to. What Estrada did not know, and probably FPJ too, was that Ronald Reagan was a captain in the Army, a city mayor, and Governor of California long before he became President of the United States.

I assume that if FPJ is qualified to run for Presidency of a county, he is also qualified to be President of PNB, PAL, Ayala Land or any other major company in the Philippines?
After all doesn’t the President of a country carry larger spectrum of responsibilities than a corporation?

If I ever raise children in the Philippines, I should have no fear then if they receive a lackluster education. I can reinforce and give them hope that little or no education can still allow them the benefits of other individuals who have the desire and ambition to be successful in life. I can tell my future children that it is possible to be President of a country without an education or any formal training. They just need to have a lot of friends.

In order for the Philippines to be the “economic tiger of asia” nonsense its officials have been dreaming of for the past ten years, it must first emulate a country that promotes, fosters and regulates proper governmental procedures and controls.

Having uneducated, unqualified and inexperienced individuals at the helm only affirms the Philippines into third world country conditions. In order to be first-rate, you must employ first-rate people. By employing an individual by popularity or by the hype of their speech only delays the Philippines’ economic, governmental and societal growth.

You can’t drive if you don’t have a license, and FPJ doesn’t have one. But again, it’s the Philippines.

I hoped to retire in the Philippines in twenty years, but nonsense like this only delays it.

marcos pa rin!:D

I have heard the comparison to a corporation before. Being president of a country is a lot like being president of a huge corporation, bigger than Ayala and many others combined. The comparison was that electing an actor because he is popular is like promoting one of the janitors or carpark attendants at Glorietta to president of Ayala because he is a nice guy :crazy:

if Vince is elected, I expect a lot from him.

the phils needs an overhual.

do over

Roco is the man! Even if he's not on top of the surveys i still wouldn't change my vote from Roco to GMA. how the heck can gma be our last hope when she's sitting there now and we're not seeing any real change. basta, I believe Roco is the best man for the job.
and slightly OT, basta when voting, please think about your children. maawa kayo sa mga anak niyo! and please vote. don't just sit there and let other people decide for you. vote wisely and ride safe...

ho-humm...... wake me up when it's over:D

Originally posted by Frank Woolf
I do realize I don't understand Philippine (or American) politics but I really can't understand why anyone would elect an actor with no government experience at all and has, as far as I know, never yet been able to answer simple questions about his policies, etc. His working experience consists of pretending to be someone else speaking words written by someone else.

Maybe I am dumb but I just don't get it.

i was thinking of starting a new thread but when i got to sir frank's post...i guess this place would accommodate this piece of collection i just received (sorry frank, you'll have to ask for some translations):

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

> Pathetic... but true. These are ACTUAL quotes from FPJ. They might actually be funny, if he weren't our potential next president. He can't even give a simple, straightforward answer to some simple, straightforward questions.
****************************************************
Reporter: Sir, ano po ang suggestion niyo para ma-stabilize ang peso?
> FPJ: Magtrabaho lang ng magtrabaho!
>
> Reply in a November 26 one-on-one interview with a television news
> correspondent
> when confronted with the question on how he would address the country's
> persistent problems (e.g., kidnapping, economic crisis/poverty), his
> confident
> answer was simply: Common sense.
>
> When asked for his reaction to the peso plunge, seemingly surprised by the
> question, Poe said, "Bago 'yan ah, dahil wala pa kaming nilalatag na
> economic
> program nagkaroon na ng ano dun, diperensya? Okay 'yan, bago 'yan ah, di
ko
> alam
> na magkaka-apektuhan ng ganyan?"
>
> Asked if he thought the slide in the value of the peso was being played up
> by
> the administration to blame the political opposition, Poe replied,
> "Nagkaroon
> lang ng chain reaction 'yan. 'Pag nagbago ang dollar sa ibang
> lugar, may chain reaction 'yan."
>
> Reporter: Clone nyo daw po si Erap?
> FPJ: There are no identical DNA's.
>
> When asked about what he thinks of the continuous depreciation of the
peso:
> "Sa
> totoo lang di ko alam eh. ikaw alam mo?"
>
> Nung tinanong siya ng taga Manila Times kung paano tataas ang growth rate
> ng
> Pilipinas: "Well, ano kasi yan eh, ang growth rate na yan tataas din yan
> kapag
> tumaas na ang funding natin." (Sabay ngiti at nagmamadaling umalis...)
>
> "A foreigner asked me what I thought was the biggest problem in the
> country.
> My answer was breakfast, lunch, and dinner..."
>
> Reporter: "Sir, what is your birthday wish for Senator Loren Legarda?"
> FPJ: "I wish her...... I am at a loss for words!"
>
> Reporter: Paano ho natin masosolusyonan ang seccessionist problem sa
> Mindanao?
> FPJ: Kailangan lang natin ipaalam sa kanila na masama ang ginagawa nila
> lalo na
> ang kidnapping ng mga inosenteng sibilyan.
>
> Tinanong siya kung paano marereduce ang polusyon sa Pilipinas, sabi niya
> "Madali
> na lang yun kapag na solved (sic) na ang mga ibang issue."
>
> Arnold De Sales: Ano po ang mga masasabi niyo sa mga nagsasabing
importante
> daw
> ang edukasyon sa pagiging isang Pangulo?
> FPJ: Ang edukasyon kasi, part lang yan eh. Part lang yan. Matututunan mo
> din yan
> basta gustuhin mo.
>
> When asked by Max Soliven (Philippine Star) about the importance of
> experience
> in government, FPJ replied: Hindi karanasan, but kung anong nararanasan.
>
> His reason for not joining the presidential debate: There have been too
> many
> debates in this country. It's no longer time for talk, but for action.
>
> When he was booed in Lubao, he was asked about his feelings towards the
> reaction
> of the people.... "Ok lang yan, suportahan nila ang gusto nila...PERO
> SAYANG, DAMI KO NAMANG NAGAWANG PELIKULA SA PAMPANGA...MORE THAN TWENTY."

Originally posted by ricci
i was thinking of starting a new thread but when i got to sir frank's post...i guess this place would accommodate this piece of collection i just received (sorry frank, you'll have to ask for some translations):

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

> Pathetic... but true. These are ACTUAL quotes from FPJ. They might actually be funny, if he weren't our potential next president. He can't even give a simple, straightforward answer to some simple, straightforward questions.
****************************************************
Reporter: Sir, ano po ang suggestion niyo para ma-stabilize ang peso?
> FPJ: Magtrabaho lang ng magtrabaho!
>
> Reply in a November 26 one-on-one interview with a television news
> correspondent
> when confronted with the question on how he would address the country's
> persistent problems (e.g., kidnapping, economic crisis/poverty), his
> confident
> answer was simply: Common sense.
>
> When asked for his reaction to the peso plunge, seemingly surprised by the
> question, Poe said, "Bago 'yan ah, dahil wala pa kaming nilalatag na
> economic
> program nagkaroon na ng ano dun, diperensya? Okay 'yan, bago 'yan ah, di
ko
> alam
> na magkaka-apektuhan ng ganyan?"
>
> Asked if he thought the slide in the value of the peso was being played up
> by
> the administration to blame the political opposition, Poe replied,
> "Nagkaroon
> lang ng chain reaction 'yan. 'Pag nagbago ang dollar sa ibang
> lugar, may chain reaction 'yan."
>
> Reporter: Clone nyo daw po si Erap?
> FPJ: There are no identical DNA's.
>
> When asked about what he thinks of the continuous depreciation of the
peso:
> "Sa
> totoo lang di ko alam eh. ikaw alam mo?"
>
> Nung tinanong siya ng taga Manila Times kung paano tataas ang growth rate
> ng
> Pilipinas: "Well, ano kasi yan eh, ang growth rate na yan tataas din yan
> kapag
> tumaas na ang funding natin." (Sabay ngiti at nagmamadaling umalis...)
>
> "A foreigner asked me what I thought was the biggest problem in the
> country.
> My answer was breakfast, lunch, and dinner..."
>
> Reporter: "Sir, what is your birthday wish for Senator Loren Legarda?"
> FPJ: "I wish her...... I am at a loss for words!"
>
> Reporter: Paano ho natin masosolusyonan ang seccessionist problem sa
> Mindanao?
> FPJ: Kailangan lang natin ipaalam sa kanila na masama ang ginagawa nila
> lalo na
> ang kidnapping ng mga inosenteng sibilyan.
>
> Tinanong siya kung paano marereduce ang polusyon sa Pilipinas, sabi niya
> "Madali
> na lang yun kapag na solved (sic) na ang mga ibang issue."
>
> Arnold De Sales: Ano po ang mga masasabi niyo sa mga nagsasabing
importante
> daw
> ang edukasyon sa pagiging isang Pangulo?
> FPJ: Ang edukasyon kasi, part lang yan eh. Part lang yan. Matututunan mo
> din yan
> basta gustuhin mo.
>
> When asked by Max Soliven (Philippine Star) about the importance of
> experience
> in government, FPJ replied: Hindi karanasan, but kung anong nararanasan.
>
> His reason for not joining the presidential debate: There have been too
> many
> debates in this country. It's no longer time for talk, but for action.
>
> When he was booed in Lubao, he was asked about his feelings towards the
> reaction
> of the people.... "Ok lang yan, suportahan nila ang gusto nila...PERO
> SAYANG, DAMI KO NAMANG NAGAWANG PELIKULA SA PAMPANGA...MORE THAN TWENTY."


Damn if he win pinas will be in deep ****e:8 and i bet there will another EDSA thingy again

Originally posted by NIÑO
Damn if he win pinas will be in deep ****e:8 and i bet there will another EDSA thingy again

EDSA POE-R? :D

Originally posted by tukayo
EDSA POE-R? :D



:D :D :D :>

Originally posted by tukayo
EDSA POE-R? :D

:D :D :D

Originally posted by NIÑO
Damn if he win pinas will be in deep ****e:8 and i bet there will another EDSA thingy again

Lets just pray for it... :{

Di ba sya POE-LISH :>

I vote GMA.

Reason 1 - Our lot has been awarded!

Reason 2 - I think she's better than anyone else.

Why not Rocco: Mainitin ang Ulo.

Why not Ping: Minding other people's business. Wala naman nagawa sa senado kundi manira ng ibang tao.

Why not FPJ: He didn't even finished high school! For Goodness sake!

Why not the other two: who are they again?

Originally posted by reekee98
Di ba sya POE-LISH :>

bwahhaah!!!

e di....ma POE-litica rin pala siya....heheheh!:rolleyes:

pa POE rito ng masa......

at magalang POE siya.

POE nyeta!!!!!

POEcha, baka maPOE-galitan na naman POE tayo... OT na naman POE tayo:D

GMA!!!

Isa sa magandang projects niya ay ang NLEX.:D Hopefully magiging lalong maging smooth ang pavements para smooth din ang flow ng traffic.:)

Originally posted by reekee98
Di ba sya POE-LISH :>

ahehehe!!...diba........."POE lish Heart"!!!!hahahahartharthart!:D

Poe-tik naman, sana maayos din yung discrimination satin sa NLEX. :D

Originally posted by froilanr
GMA!!!

Isa sa magandang projects niya ay ang NLEX.:D Hopefully magiging lalong maging smooth ang pavements para smooth din ang flow ng traffic.:)

Whatever improvement is going on at the NLEX, it is not anybody's project. The money being spent there is tax money not hers or any bloody local politician. :angry:

Originally posted by Gaijin
Whatever improvement is going on at the NLEX, it is not anybody's project. The money being spent there is tax money not hers or any bloody local politician. :angry:

Naunahan mo ko don. It's taxpayers money that's being used, not from the politicians pockets. That's why it's not right to put up a banner or poster saying "Another project of congressman so and so".

Please excuse my ignorance in Politics.

is that where the pork barel comes into play? they play the citizens that it's their project so that they will vote for them in the next election?

If the NLEX is tax payers money, why do they charge TOLL?

Why does the NLEX stop at Angeles or whatever place that is. Is there not a need to get that road all the way up north and not pass to each and every town on the way?

Question; ang NLEX/SLEX ba e government project?

Originally posted by tukayo
...it's not right to put up a banner or poster saying "Another project of congressman so and so".

Yes. It is not right. But this practise has been going on since the Marcos era. Every administration since then, has been doing it in one form or another. Tax money is people's money and credit for proejcts should credited to the people. The thing is, politicians here think once in office, they own the people. :rolleyes:

Anyway, back to the topic somewhat.

Whoever wins this election, let's just give that person the benefit of the doubt and let that person get on with the job. Give the person a chance to do the job. Give the person criticism where constructive criticism is due. Once we have a president up there, let's stop our crab mentality and just work with who and what we have... meaning whoever is seated there in Malacanang. Leaving the country, moaning and groaning about the situation, etc. won't do any good. It would be best to stop pitying ourselves and move on... do what we can do to help the elected officials do there job properly.

Originally posted by wasted_23
Question; ang NLEX/SLEX ba e government project?

i would think it's a BOT (build - operate - transfer) thing....yan ang uso sa mga third world countries and governments that are strapped for cash....

normally a donor country (japan/USA and even china) or a participating bidding country connected in some way to lending institutions such as world bank or imf wins a bid to "build" then "operate" (meaning they will have to operate until they receive their ROIs) then "transfer" as deemed necessary.

manying wasted si manay ito...hehehe!!!=b :* cool!

hi manay!!!!:D long see, no time ah!.....

Kung tax payers money at least the project is going on. In the end tayo parin makikinabang kapag nagawa na ang NLEX. Meron ibang official kasi binubulsa nalang ang tax.

I think the responsible thing to do is elect the RIGHT president first, then we need to support whomever is seated.

Whatever improvement is going on at the NLEX, it is not anybody's project. The money being spent there is tax money not hers or any bloody local politician.

Well we must also thank the administration for that. It may not be their project or doesn't come from their pockets. At least they didn't keep the money or spent it for their own personal interests.

Guess what will happen to that project kung iba ang nakaupo?

Originally posted by froilanr
Kung tax payers money at least the project is going on.

Yes, it's good that the project is being implemented, but we don't have to thank politicians for "facilitating" the completion of gov't projects. That's what they are there for. We elect officials because we want them to do things for us, that's why they are called public servants (I am one). I remember my former boss telling everybody in the office that public service is "a thankless job", and I agree.

It's nice to appreciate their efforts once in a while, but again, it's not to be expected. We all know that these politicians put their names on project billboards to gain popularity until the next election.

In Matthew 6, Jesus teaches us to be humble and not to boast of our good works. In verse 1 He says, "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.".

And in verse 3 and 4 He says "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

What bugs me is they spend taxpayers money on signboards, etc to tell everyone how wonderfull they are for doing what they are paid to do in the first place.

Originally posted by Frank Woolf
What bugs me is they spend taxpayers money on signboards, etc to tell everyone how wonderfull they are for doing what they are paid to do in the first place.

My point exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth. :D

For me kasi I really appreciate yung nlex project nayan. Diyan kasi nabubugbog ng husto ang shocks ng car na ginagamit ko tuwing bumiyahe sa Manila. Ilang president na ang namuno sa ating bansa pero hindi naman pinaayos ng mabuti ito.

Tukayo tama ka naman. Yung lakas natin ay galing sa Diyos at talino para magawa ang task. Dapat hindi tayo mag-malaki sa accomplised task natin.

d kaya kapampangan din si GMA kaya nai priority ang pagpapagawa ng NLEX??? just asking.......:)

Originally posted by wasted_23
d kaya kapampangan din si GMA kaya nai priority ang pagpapagawa ng NLEX??? just asking.......:)
Pampanga is GMA country. But I think the improvement of the NLEX has nothing to do with Pampanga. It is a good project, but the timing is questionable. I really don't know if it's a project of GMA knowing that the Ex-Ways are under PNCC. I have nothing against GMA. I'm speaking of politicians in general most of whom have their names bannered on project streamers.

Froi,

No prob. I know that you also know God's standards in terms of helping/serving. God bless you.

Watch out FPJ!

Originally posted by wasted_23
d kaya kapampangan din si GMA kaya nai priority ang pagpapagawa ng NLEX??? just asking.......:)

guys, guys, guys, NLEX was done during the marcos era...lahat yon pinagawa niya para sa Clark Air Base....e kaso malaking pagkukupit ng mga pera (using inferior materials using lowest, peon laborers but high paying contractors to build). pagtapos ng marcos regime, yun humawak ng NLEX ay may background ng marcos mismanagement...ayun.... mga pang touch up lang ginawa kaya yun buong NLEX went crumbling down.....now that we're lagging behind in global class infrastructure, investors shy away from the philippines thinking we won't be able to handle such volume in trade and commerce.

yun na, hence, basta....they will need to rebuild the NLEX for Clark again.....if it was done properly in the first place and managed and maintained religiously, they didn't have to redo the whole NLEX. hell! maybe even, extend it to Ilocos.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :* tapos ride tayo into the sunset.....!

slap me dry.