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froilanr
February 26th, 2004, 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by froilanr
Off-topic!
SCSI Hardisk w/ 10,000 RPM is faster than a SCSI w/ 7, 200 RPM.

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Posted by RiderDriver:
Not necessarily true. RPM tell you have fast the disk is spinning, not the ACCESS time to get the DATA.

sorry, just had to say something about that.
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RiderDriver,

I dont agree! RPM specifications of a hardisk helps to read and write data faster. So the bigger the RPM the better, but it's not
necessary in some applications.

I think you are saying the Hardisk specification SEEK TIME. The smaller the SEEK TIME (in ms), the faster it can access data.

Here's the proof why RPM specification is important!
Also some important informations when choosing or buying hardisk.:)

SOURCES:
1)
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=hard-disk.htm&url=http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/bguide/0,guid,20,page,1,00.asp

A) Rotational speed
5400 rpm
5400 rpm to 7200 rpm

Somewhat important. Faster rotational speed means the drive reads and writes data faster. Rpm is more important if you use a PC for video or multimedia applications: Differences in rpm don't make a noticeable difference for tasks such as word processing or Web surfing. The largest drives often have the slower (5400 rpm) rotational speed.

B)Interface speed
Somewhat important. The difference in speed between an ATA/100 and ATA/133 drive won't be noticeable to most users. To get maximum performance from your hard drive, its interface speed must match the interface speed of your PC, or you must install an interface card that matches the speed of the new drive.

C)Seek speed (seek time in ms)
A minor consideration. Average seek speed (measured in milliseconds) is how fast, on average, drives can find a particular piece of data. For most people, the differences in everyday use will be negligible. The exception is when many relatively small and scattered bits of data need to be assembled, such as when copying large folders full of many small files.

D)Buffer size
A minor consideration. The buffer is a memory cache on the drive where data is temporarily stored in anticipation of the next likely request of the PC's processor. Because random-access memory is considerably faster than mechanical rotating storage, it can speed performance. The latest drives for desktop PCs have generous buffers of 2MB or larger, more than adequate for typical use.

2)
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/hard-disk1.htm
There are two ways to measure the performance of a hard disk:

Data rate - The data rate is the number of bytes per second that the drive can deliver to the CPU. Rates between 5 and 40 megabytes per second are common.

Seek time - The seek time is the amount of time between when the CPU requests a file and when the first byte of the file is sent to the CPU. Times between 10 and 20 milliseconds are common.

3)
http://squid-docs.sourceforge.net/latest/html/c21.html#AEN49

Hard Disks FOR SQUID CACHING PROXY :)
There are numerous things to consider when buying disks. Earlier on we mentioned the importance of disks with a fast random-seek time, and with high sustained-throughput. Having the world's fastest drive is not useful, though, if it holds a tiny amount of data. To cache effectively you need disks that can hold a significant amount of downloaded data, but that are fast enough to not slow your cache to a crawl.
Seek time is one of the most important considerations if your cache is going to be loaded. If you have a look at a disk's documentation there is normally a random seek time figure. The smaller this value the better: it is the average time that the disk's heads take to move from a random track to another (in milliseconds). Operating systems do all sorts of interesting things (which are not covered here) to attempt to speed up disk access times: waiting for disks can slow a machine down dramatically.


Sorry for the long post.

RiderDriver
February 26th, 2004, 10:36 AM
froilanr,

don't take this thing too seriously, I'll have to do some research to prove my point. In thescreensavers.com they have this TV series call Tech TV and all they talk about are computers. This is where I heard them say that the HD speeds (RPM) the faster it spins, the faster the access time is but not always. then they mentioned a brand and capacity. I'm no good with names so I didn't take note of it. They were building the ultimate gaming PC with all the goodies you can install.

here's the link:
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,24330,2431621,00.html


Q: I'm thinking about upgrading my hard drive. Is there any benefit to upgrading to a 7200-rpm drive vs a 5400-rpm drive on a computer with a UDMA-33 bus?


-- email from Jeff


A: RPM indicates the speed at which a hard drive's spindle motor spins the platters (so a 7200-rpm drive can spin its platters, you guessed it, about 7200 times a minute).


The faster the platters spin, the more data that passes beneath-- and sort of gets sucked into-- the drive's reading head. The amount of data read partly determines the drive's throughput. So in theory a 7200-rpm drive ought to be faster than a 5400-rpm drive because the 7200-rpm drive reads more data than the 5400-rpm drive in the same amount of time.


Spindle speed is only one (albeit major) factor in determining the speed of your hard drive. If you pit a 7200-rpm and a 5400-rpm hard drive against each other on identical systems, the 7200-rpm drive isn't guaranteed to win the race if the 5400-rpm drive is superior in other regards.

I rest my case.

froilanr
February 26th, 2004, 10:55 AM
RiderDriver,
I'm a tech guy too. If you have opinions or your opinions are correct or your knowledge about hardisk, it fines to me. I just what to show it to you that hardisk drives w/ faster RPM are good and that specs is important.

Sa nabigay kong articles about hardisk, RPM and seek time are related. Para narin sa ating lahat ang infos or links I sent about this subject.:)

Peace Bro.!

RiderDriver
February 26th, 2004, 11:04 AM
is that you in the avatar? do you race? where and what class? I like that avatar, looks so serious, drag race ba yan? speed freak tayong dalawa, pati HD speed pa rin pinag uusapan.

teka, sa dami ng kumontra sa iyo, baki ako ang siningle out mo? Ako pa naman yung pinaka maikling remark.

Don't reply to Hard Drive and HorsePower and power to weight ratio. lalo lang gugulo.

Botchix, pahinga nga ako ng blue pill for today!

MGee
February 26th, 2004, 11:38 AM
ano na ba ito, poll: s__gates vs m___trox, baka naman pwede nyo na rin i share sa akin yung blu pils!:D

froilanr
February 26th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by RiderDriver
is that you in the avatar? do you race? where and what class? I like that avatar, looks so serious, drag race ba yan? speed freak tayong dalawa, pati HD speed pa rin pinag uusapan.

teka, sa dami ng kumontra sa iyo, baki ako ang siningle out mo? Ako pa naman yung pinaka maikling remark.

Don't reply to Hard Drive and HorsePower and power to weight ratio. lalo lang gugulo.

Botchix, pahinga nga ako ng blue pill for today!
Bro. Flame war is NOT GOOD, pero ARGUMENTS are good. Huwag lang mapunta sa FLAME WAR. Ok?

Ikaw ang nagsabi kasi na yung RPM is sa speed ng spinning ng disc ng hardrive only. Kaya tuloy I corrected you! If you have some facts just send it to this thread RE sa hardisk. Ok?

btw. I'm not yung sa avatar. I just only copied and uploaded it. Ganda kasi.

froilanr
February 26th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by RiderDriver
teka, sa dami ng kumontra sa iyo, baki ako ang siningle out mo? Ako pa naman yung pinaka maikling remark.


Siya nga pala. Hindi kita sini single out. Ganun talaga sa mga forum. Kino correct lang kita!

Again kung mali ako sa opinion ko, paki correct nalang ako RE sa hardisk RPM.

RiderDriver
February 27th, 2004, 01:22 AM
Posted by RiderDriver:
Not necessarily true. RPM tell you how fast the disk is spinning, not the ACCESS time to get the DATA.
sorry, just had to say something about that.

this is the only thing I said in your post, so please stick to what I said. do not put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by froilanr
Ikaw ang nagsabi kasi na yung RPM is sa speed ng spinning ng disc ng hardrive only. Kaya tuloy I corrected you! If you have some facts just send it to this thread RE sa hardisk. Ok?


Reply:
it's gonna take more than that to get me upset. also this is not an argument, this is a discussion. I like this exchange of ideas, this is what I do here in the forum, try to find loopholes in what people discuss, not to create a fuzz but to be entertained and to be educated. I'm not that smart but when I know something and say something, I'll make sure I can back it up. Still I am not perfect.

I find that a lot of people just agree with the first 3 responses in a given post. That sets your mind up to agree but if you'll notice, only a few would contradict or say their piece. It just gets your mind thinking, there's always two sides of the coin.

The HD RPM issue, I have proven my point:
Spindle speed is only one (albeit major) factor in determining the speed of your hard drive. If you pit a 7200-rpm and a 5400-rpm hard drive against each other on identical systems, the 7200-rpm drive isn't guaranteed to win the race if the 5400-rpm drive is superior in other regards.

This is not my opinion, it is a fact. Did you read the whole article? Here it is again. http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/...2431621,00.html

Originally posted by froilanr
Siya nga pala. Hindi kita sini single out. Ganun talaga sa mga forum. Kino correct lang kita!

don't worry about me being singled out, I'm just teasing you.

botchix
February 27th, 2004, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by RiderDriver
Botchix, pahinga nga ako ng blue pill for today!

<~~ Pasa 3 blue pills... para me reserba!:>

La ko alam sa cumputah! Sex porn lang alam ko, si Ronnel nagturo sa kin nyan eh:D

Pero di ba pag sinabing RPM = Revs/Min, it means na something complete a rotation in so many time every sec.? In this case the discs rotate and not the body! Tama ba ako? Langya kasi yang yellow pill na yan!:crazy:

Eto pa isa, Isn't it true that higher RPM does necessarily make a machine faster than a lower RPM drive in terms of performance?
I guess this theory also applies all, imagine an RCV211 redlining at 15k, Ducati V4 redlines at 14k? and M1 redlines at 16k, but who is faster? Langya kayo nahihilo na ko!!! :crazy:

MGee
February 27th, 2004, 06:06 AM
meron dapat corresponding output, in horsepower or kw yung redline mo before you can assume which of the machine is faster. a 1000 cc motor revving at 10,000rpm will have a bigger hp output than a 600cc revving at the same speed.

froilanr
February 27th, 2004, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by RiderDriver
Spindle speed is only one (albeit major) factor in determining the speed of your hard drive. If you pit a 7200-rpm and a 5400-rpm hard drive against each other on identical systems, the 7200-rpm drive isn't guaranteed to win the race if the 5400-rpm drive is superior in other regards.


CACHE?
Kung malaki ang cache ng 5400 rpm kaysa sa 7200 rpm na hardisk siempre maaring mas-mabilis ang access sa data sa 5400 rpm. Yan ang tinutukoy ng, "... if the 5400-rpm drive is superior in other regards."

So kung parehas lang ang cache ng 5400 rpm at ang 7200 rpm hardrives, ibig sabihin mabilis parin ang 7200 rpm.

We're talking here yung RPM ng hardisk. Hindi yung CACHE ng hardisk. Diba?

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http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,24330,2431621,00.html

Cache


A disk cache is like a holding tank or temporary storage area for data. When a hard drive is told to retrieve some data, it first looks in the disk cache.

Retrieving information from the cache is much faster than retrieving it from the platters. The bigger the cache, the faster the hard drive. If you're in the market for a desktop drive, try to get one that has a 2MB cache (they might refer to it as a buffer).

Upgrading from a 5400-rpm to a 7200-rpm hard drive on a system with a UDMA-33 bus ought to result in around a 15-percent performance boost. This average number comes from numerous benchmarking tests including some performed by IBM on 5400-rpm and 7200-rpm Deskstars. A 7200-rpm drive with a bigger cache, say 2MB instead of the 512KB cache, might boost performance by 25 percent.

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EqualizeR
February 27th, 2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by froilanr
CACHE?
Kung malaki ang cache ng 5400 rpm kaysa sa 7200 rpm na hardisk siempre maaring mas-mabilis ang access sa data sa 5400 rpm. Yan ang tinutukoy ng, "... if the 5400-rpm drive is superior in other regards."

So kung parehas lang ang cache ng 5400 rpm at ang 7200 rpm hardrives, ibig sabihin mabilis parin ang 7200 rpm.

We're talking here yung RPM ng hardisk. Hindi yung CACHE ng hardisk. Diba?

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tara froi mag motor na lang tayo? let's get a life once in a while. :D

MGee
February 27th, 2004, 11:31 AM
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botchix
February 27th, 2004, 03:43 PM
Engine displacements and HP does not make a vehicle any faster than a smaller capacity engine. Its the complete package that counts.

A Supermoto with 650cc engine making 70hp beat a GSXR1000 on a supermoto track (all road of course and no dirt track). The rider commented that if he had a 250cc light weight sportsbike, he could have lapped even faster. Now imagine a turbocharge Hayabusa on a supermoto track!
In Laguna Seca or Philip Island the story will be very different.

A racing legend was interview about the race rep that Ducati made which resembles his '72 race bike which he won. He said, with this race rep. and the technology of today, he would have walk the race in '72 eventhough it has the same displacement and HP.

RD is talking about speed in RPM
froilanr is talking about overall performance
I'm talking a whole load of bollocks

MGee tara magmotor na lang tayo ni Equalizer... teka sino ka ba Mr. Equa Lizer?

Liam
March 8th, 2004, 10:04 AM
eto tungkol sa makina hinde tungkol sa HD..

mga pre makikigulo na rin ako.. correction lang sa statement sa kabilang thread, higher RPM doesn't necessarily mean higher actual speed.

given the same displacement, same HP, same torque, pero different gear ratio. simple physics lang to pre.. have you driven a mt.bicycle/road bicycle? smallest chain ring (yong plato sa harapan) paired with the biggest cog (yong sprocket sa likod), apply constant force (torque) on the crankset, and constant cadence (RPM) and then compared mo sa biggest chain ring with smallest cog, apply the same force, same cadence? now which is faster?

1.) smallest chain ring/biggest cog will gain the momentum easily but will soon lost the advantage.
2.) biggest chain ring/smallest cog needs to gain momentum initially, but after it gains the momentum, it will have the advantage to run faster with less work needed.

* but of course with not enough force things will not move.. so the force should be enough to meet criteria #2, and should be the same force applied in criteria #1.

if i remember it correctly, na sa high school physics lang natin to pre..

kris
March 8th, 2004, 04:25 PM
ill just give you the conslusion thats all.

the higher the rpm, the faster a drive is. this
q.e.d. needs no further explanation.

motor na lang pagusapan natin kasi magkaiba rpm ng hdd sa rpm ng mga motor natin.