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chippoy April 19th, 2007, 10:07 PM Mga Chief, my cousin from the U.S. told me that there were some states that allow non-wearing of helmets specially those areas that have high temperatures like Texas, helmets in these states are an optional gear due to hot weather. I don't want to imply anything but these past few days have been very dehydrating, and it's been affecting my riding style, because I would always want to breeze through traffic to get some air to cool me down. What I'm trying to say is, because of my safety gears that make me sweat like a pig, I become unsafe by always riding fast...get my point? God Bless us all!:nuts:
badboys April 20th, 2007, 01:35 AM pwede ding sa sobrang init eh bigla ka na lang antukin o bigla ka na lang mag collapse diba? kaya cguro pnapayagan un sa ibang lugar.
JJZX6RR April 20th, 2007, 01:44 AM PA and FL - Helmets optional.
Would you rather be soak in your sweat or blood?
Wills_McLaren April 20th, 2007, 08:34 AM PA and FL - Helmets optional.
Would you rather be soak in your sweat or blood?
I agree ! :clap: :clap:
Ichthus Janz April 20th, 2007, 09:11 AM Yung init naman dito sa atin di sing init sa Texas or Florida. Relatively mas malamig pa rin dito, yung nga lang kapag natapat ka talaga sa traffic at tanghaling tapat problema yan.
zoombalulut April 20th, 2007, 09:50 AM Mga Chief, my cousin from the U.S. told me that there were some states that allow non-wearing of helmets specially those areas that have high temperatures like Texas, helmets in these states are an optional gear due to hot weather. I don't want to imply anything but these past few days have been very dehydrating, and it's been affecting my riding style, because I would always want to breeze through traffic to get some air to cool me down. What I'm trying to say is, because of my safety gears that make me sweat like a pig, I become unsafe by always riding fast...get my point? God Bless us all!:nuts:
@ chippoy yes i cn see ur point... but u cn wear air cool sando or satin sando so that u cn be fresh wh!le driving nd bring water supply in ur bag or bagpack so that u cn cool urself anytime nd anywhre:clap:
SUMMER IS IN THE AIR:C
juno April 20th, 2007, 10:00 AM sa traffic, di ko iniinda yung sikat ng araw. kahit katanghalian, ok lang naman. ang pinaka ayoko sa traffic eh yung makakasabay, or makakatabi mo yung mga sasakyan na super init ng mga singaw ng makina.
kanina, i realized na kaya pala madami mga nakamotor ang nagpipilit pumwesto sa pinaka unahan ng traffic, (kahit dun na sa pedestrian lanes nakapwesto), eh isa sa dahilan ang init ng mga sasakyan pag nandun ka sa likod nila. lalu na kung ang katabi mo ay mga bus na aircon, grabeh ang init ng singaw nito.
h3lios April 20th, 2007, 10:08 AM Hindi lang ang init na singaw ng mga sasakyan. kung manatili ka sa likuran, andun din nakatutok sa mukha mo ang tambutso ng cage. Kaya pipilitin mo talagang pumwesto sa unahan para makaiwas nito....
BTW...I read somewhere, may anti-helmet riders din sa US. They really value their freedom of choice and if they choose not to wear helmets while riding, they don't want anybody to interfere with that choice.
To each his own really.
overdose April 20th, 2007, 10:46 AM Mga Chief, my cousin from the U.S. told me that there were some states that allow non-wearing of helmets specially those areas that have high temperatures like Texas, helmets in these states are an optional gear due to hot weather. I don't want to imply anything but these past few days have been very dehydrating, and it's been affecting my riding style, because I would always want to breeze through traffic to get some air to cool me down. What I'm trying to say is, because of my safety gears that make me sweat like a pig, I become unsafe by always riding fast...get my point? God Bless us all!:nuts:
what i do is use my 508w modular helmet. pag sa initan nak aangat ang harap para mas buo ang pasok ng hangin pag umaandar sinasara ko na para just in case kumalat ako sa kalsada sarado ang helmet.
i also use a super aircool padded jacket. ung tumatagos ang hangin kahit nakastop ka. if feel mo branded na jacket i believe coolmax komine na ang second in terms of coolness.
another trick. pag pa approach ka na ng stop light and you see na baka mag red rather than stopping at the foot of the stoplight, try to see kung may mga lilim sa gilid and stop there kahit na few cars away from the line. Ex. i was delivering kahapon 11 am sa may makati. Iba ang init ngayong mga araw na ito. I was along makati ave and saw na may certain areas na may lilim due to the bibilang na trees along makati ave. instead of stopping exactly at the corner of makati ave and ayala ave. i stopped a few cars away from the line sa may lilim along makati ave beside shang hotel until mag go.
Grabe talaga ang init lately so ingat and don't push your self to the limit baka ma heat stroke.
PABLOS April 20th, 2007, 02:29 PM PA and FL - Helmets optional.
Would you rather be soak in your sweat or blood?
yeah! good answer!:D
@chippoy-
better choose the right riding gears or clothing for this season when riding.
instead of padded or non-padded jacket or anything na makapal masyado
try to wear a more ventilated one.
For the helmet? mainit talaga lalo pag traffic. try mo open ang visor pag
mabagal lang ang takbo pero pag mabilis close mo na.
like overdose said tapat ka sa shade pag stop. mahirap wala helmet
para kang nakahubad walang protection.:D :D :*
hot ice April 20th, 2007, 02:58 PM I tried to ride without my helmet one time kasi sa malapitan lang naman ang punta ko. I went back to our house kasi I didn't feel safe/comfortable without my helmet..
h3lios April 20th, 2007, 03:28 PM http://www.michiganvotes.org/2005-HB-4505
POV ng iba.
Check this:
26) Helmet Law [by Anonymous Citizen on March 18, 2005]
Senators,
First of all I'd like to applaud you for standing up for common sense. Wearing a helmet has statistically saved no one. For every potental save there is another who will crash because they didn't see a car next to them or overheated their brain. I usually wear a helmet but when the temp. is in the 90's and I get a heat stroke type headache it's coming off. You didn't tell the state not to wear a helmet but that they can choose. I've ridden motorcycles for over 38 years and know all to well the real danger is untrained riders. There are numerous rider training courses going on all over the state. As a director of a Harley Davidson Owners group of nearly 400 people, we advocate safety at every event, meeting and newsletter. We have safety training classes throughout the summer. From 250,000 + miles of safe riding, I am aware of the dangers of riding and accept it. Check the states around us, the death rate has not risen and, in some cases it has dropped with the elimination of helmet laws. The MOST experenced riders agree, these laws do nothing to help anyone.
Thanks again for your common sense, I hope the Governor will see this from experience and not the Lobbyists.
Regards,
Larry Vigneau
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h3lios April 20th, 2007, 03:38 PM Eto pa:
9) reply to no helmet no brain [by Anonymous Citizen on April 19, 2007]
I am not going to call you any names. I am even willing to agree that all it takes is one time reguardless of experience. But you are under the illusion that wearing a helmet is somehow going to magicly save everything. That is that is the non-riding publics general opinion. That's what they have been trained to believe. But the fact of the matter is that just isn't the case. Statistics from the 30 states that allow choice proove that. Unfortunately most people don't know that, but it's true. Think about it, the very fact the majority of states allow choice should be proof enough that helmets and helmet laws are ineffective. The fact is that a motorcycle accident is so tramatic no helmet, body armour, or any safety gear can save you. For example, if you went skydiving and your parachute didn't open, is it going to make any difference wheather or not you are wearing a helmet when you hit the ground? Of course not. This law was put in place for two reasons. One, being forced to wear a helmet discourages people from riding motorcycles. Two, it makes those who have never riden a motorcycle feel good. That's it. It is feel good law that creates a false sense of security and accomplishes nothing!
What is the answer? Simple, rider education and car driver awareness of motorcycles. Will that prevent all motorcycle accidents and fatalities completely? Of course not, but it will keep it to a minimum. Motorcycle accidents and fatalities have been up on a nationwide level, in helmet and choice states alike. I personally blame cell phone usage and distracted driving, the timeline fits. However in all of our neighboring helmet-choice states it has only gone up 10-15% compared to 65% here with a helmet law. And the reason is they have better rider education and motorcycle awareness progams than we do. Not to mention all of our neighboring helmet-choice states are aslo at-fault states as to where we are a no-fault state. Not only are we a no-fault state, but Michigan was the first state to create no-fault. That is why our rates are twice as expensive as our neigboring states. The insurance lobby has had a choke-hold on this state for a long time now. That is why the insurance companies get away with spoonfeeding the general public as well as those in Lansing anti-choice propaganda. They claim rates will go up if choice is allowed. But we know that isn't true judging by our neighbors rates. They cost more because lobbyists cost a lot of money. In short we pay for their lobbyists to take our freedoms away by charging us an obscene amount for insurance! And wheather or not you can handle it, THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!
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h3lios April 20th, 2007, 03:44 PM 43) still more restrictive [by Anonymous Citizen on March 20, 2005]
I should point out to the Governor, the Representatives, and anyone who may be against this legislation that if this bill passes as written, Michigan would still have more helmet restrictions that our neighboring states. Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin only require that riders and passengers under 18 wear helmets. There are no extra insurance requirements. Illinois has no helmet requirements at all. To ride helmet free in Michigan you would have to be at least 21 years of age. All teenagers would still have to wear helmets. You would also have to have either two years of riding experience or pass a state certified riders safety course to ride helmet free. Furthermore you would also be required to carry a minimum of $10,000 of personal injury insurance to ride helmet free. So there is the answer to your "I don't want my insurance rates to go up" arguement. This is not at all unreasonable, and it is more than fair. It is time for Michigan to get out of the dark ages and join the MAJORITY of states that allow helmet choice.
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I like the insurance part...
mikey™ April 20th, 2007, 03:51 PM wow! eye opening and mind blowing... for me i'm all for safety gears and all but you do have to admit that full face helmets are restrictive. sometimes, if not all the time, they even take away some of your sensitivity towards the traffic around you... kudos sir for the post... good info...
h3lios April 20th, 2007, 04:00 PM Read on sir, di ko pa nga natapos mabasa lahat, ang haba ng discussion nila dito
2005 House Bill 4505 (Repeal motorcycle helmet mandate ) (http://www.michiganvotes.org/2005-HB-4505)
This made me think:
1606) real use of helmets [by Anonymous Citizen on April 11, 2007]
might be to facilitate motorcycle accident clean-up. Keeps brain remnants in helmet container so that there is less mess to clean up after a deadly motorcyle accident.
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mikey™ April 20th, 2007, 04:17 PM Read on sir, di ko pa nga natapos mabasa lahat, ang haba ng discussion nila dito
2005 House Bill 4505 (Repeal motorcycle helmet mandate ) (http://www.michiganvotes.org/2005-HB-4505)
This made me think:
1606) real use of helmets
[B]might be to facilitate motorcycle accident clean-up. Keeps brain remnants in helmet container so that there is less mess to clean up after a deadly motorcyle accident.
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bwahahaha ROFLMAO that was a good one...
RACINGBOY April 20th, 2007, 04:22 PM what i do is use my 508w modular helmet. pag sa initan nak aangat ang harap para mas buo ang pasok ng hangin pag umaandar sinasara ko na para just in case kumalat ako sa kalsada sarado ang helmet.
i also use a super aircool padded jacket. ung tumatagos ang hangin kahit nakastop ka. if feel mo branded na jacket i believe coolmax komine na ang second in terms of coolness.
another trick. pag pa approach ka na ng stop light and you see na baka mag red rather than stopping at the foot of the stoplight, try to see kung may mga lilim sa gilid and stop there kahit na few cars away from the line. Ex. i was delivering kahapon 11 am sa may makati. Iba ang init ngayong mga araw na ito. I was along makati ave and saw na may certain areas na may lilim due to the bibilang na trees along makati ave. instead of stopping exactly at the corner of makati ave and ayala ave. i stopped a few cars away from the line sa may lilim along makati ave beside shang hotel until mag go.
Grabe talaga ang init lately so ingat and don't push your self to the limit
baka ma heat stroke.
ganito rin ginagawa ko ....lalo na dyan sa ayala ave, ang tagal pa namang magpalit ng traffic lights....
mikey™ April 20th, 2007, 04:48 PM 37) mandatory dress code [by Anonymous Citizen on March 19, 2005]
Helmets do not save lives. On some occasions the added weight of a helmet on impact can actually CAUSE a neck injury. That's what killed Dale Earnhardt. Helmets are only approved to be safe at speeds of a whopping 13.6 mph. All the states that border Michigan are choice states. They have not experienced the lies that the insurance companies claim, if they did there would not be any helmet choice states. Therefore helmet laws are nothing more than a mandatory dress code. The Nazi's had a mandatory dress code. I don't think anyone choose to wear the gaudy yellow star.
@sir h3lios, kakatawa naman tong thread na pinabasa mo...
disclaimer... i am for all safety gears but this one made me think as well...
rockler8703 April 20th, 2007, 05:23 PM i think i will dis agree. if helmets or safety gears are of no effect at all. then why do racers wear them? yeah they drive at high speeds and we dont. but the fact taht they get into crashes and still get up after it is proof enough for me that it works.
as for me it's better that i have little protection or assurnce of survival then none at all. try hitting your head on a wall with a helmet and then with out a helmet. which one hurts more?
driedmango April 20th, 2007, 05:28 PM Yung init naman dito sa atin di sing init sa Texas or Florida. Relatively mas malamig pa rin dito, yung nga lang kapag natapat ka talaga sa traffic at tanghaling tapat problema yan.
Totoo po yan. At isa pa, sa US, ang hangin doon dry. unlike sa atin, humid. Duon, para kang nasa oven sa init at hindi ka basta basta pag papawisan. Unlike dito sa atin, pinag papawisan tayo kaya mas safe. Pag di kasi pinapawisan at maiinit, may tendency na mag collapse ka at mamatay sa heat stroke...
Defense mechanism ng katawan natin ang pag papawis kapag mainit...
JJZX6RR April 21st, 2007, 09:12 AM Those folks lobbying for no helmets are f'n morons.
"No stats that proves helmet saves lives" - F that! I t-boned a car and my whole body slammed against the car before flying 10 ft - if I wasn't wearing a helmet my brain matters will be all over the road. Maybe he should see what happened to my Shoei.
How many prof. riders crashed and survived? The last prof. rider I can think of who died was back in 2002 or 2003 - Kato of MotoGP Telefonica whose throttle locked (can't remember exactly) and slammed against the wall at Suzuka. Suzuka track has no or little space from track to wall - that's why MotoGP doesn't race in Suzuka anymore b/c of safety issues. Hmmm.. I think there's a recent one in 250.
Engineers will not waste thousands of hours and $ to develop and constantly improve helmets.
So... Yay for helmets!
heightdeprived April 21st, 2007, 09:29 AM wow! eye opening and mind blowing... for me i'm all for safety gears and all but you do have to admit that full face helmets are restrictive. sometimes, if not all the time, they even take away some of your sensitivity towards the traffic around you... kudos sir for the post... good info...
That's why helmets are also being reviewed for field-of-vision. About noise attenuation, ear plugs are even recommended for use even if the ears are hidden inside the helmets..
heightdeprived April 21st, 2007, 09:32 AM 37) On some* occasions the added weight of a helmet on impact can actually CAUSE a neck injury.
I've read somewhere that this is a hoax, proof of which is the use of the term some...
* some does not equate to all
heightdeprived April 21st, 2007, 09:35 AM Those folks lobbying for no helmets are f'n morons.
"No stats that proves helmet saves lives" - F that! I t-boned a car and my whole body slammed against the car before flying 10 ft - if I wasn't wearing a helmet my brain matters will be all over the road. Maybe he should see what happened to my Shoei.
He should also see what happened to my HJC when I also collided against the bumper tip of a u-turning taxi...
How many prof. riders crashed and survived? The last prof. rider I can think of who died was back in 2002 or 2003 - Kato of MotoGP Telefonica whose throttle locked (can't remember exactly) and slammed against the wall at Suzuka. Suzuka track has no or little space from track to wall - that's why MotoGP doesn't race in Suzuka anymore b/c of safety issues. Hmmm.. I think there's a recent one in 250.
We ain't that really much of a professional rider but I think we're proof good enough to attest how effective helmets can get...
h3lios April 21st, 2007, 11:17 AM Before calling other people people names...read through the whole discussion in that thread with an open mind.
The people in Michigan who want their helmet mandate repealed admittedly do have some valid points, so does those who are pro-helmets.
What strikes me here is that the americans do actively want to protect their rights and freedom. To think of it, everything should boil down to each one's personal choice to ride with a helmet or not, assuming he is aware of the pros and cons of his decision.
We pinoys, although this trait might not be all bad, are much like cattle that follow the herd, when the "authority on things" says it should be this, we take everything in hook, line, and sinker without thinking or questioning for ourselves.
h3lios April 21st, 2007, 11:20 AM 25) average person [by Anonymous Citizen on March 26, 2007]
I don't understand why you people who want to mandate helmet laws don't just advocate the banning of all motorcycles period. That would be a heck of a lot safer, don't you think? That would end all motorcycle related deaths. Insurance policies would plummet!
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26) Well........ [by Anonymous Citizen on March 27, 2007]
I will go along with that just as soon as they ban walking also. There are more pedestrian fatalities per year than there are motorcycle fatalities. Let's also stop the use of electricity.....it's just too dangerous...people are electricuted almost every day. With your take on things, you'd be happy if everyone lived in a nice, safe, little bubble.
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JJZX6RR April 21st, 2007, 04:26 PM 37) mandatory dress code [by Anonymous Citizen on March 19, 2005]
Helmets do not save lives. On some occasions the added weight of a helmet on impact can actually CAUSE a neck injury. That's what killed Dale Earnhardt. Helmets are only approved to be safe at speeds of a whopping 13.6 mph. All the states that border Michigan are choice states. They have not experienced the lies that the insurance companies claim, if they did there would not be any helmet choice states. Therefore helmet laws are nothing more than a mandatory dress code. The Nazi's had a mandatory dress code. I don't think anyone choose to wear the gaudy yellow star.
@sir h3lios, kakatawa naman tong thread na pinabasa mo...
disclaimer... i am for all safety gears but this one made me think as well...
Dale Earnhardt refused to use the Hans Device. His neck injury was caused when his head whipped forward and his body strapped in place.
OT.. oh and yeah there's a thing called "right turn" in racing.
Doglegdon April 21st, 2007, 04:52 PM Bell helmets used to run an advert long time ago, "if you've got a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet". I presume then it should follow, that if you don't value your head at all, then don't wear a helmet at all either, the choice is up to each individual.
Having survived three fairly serious accidents, (two in the Philippines), I personally value every part of my body and thus protect it with as much kevlar mesh and armour as I can, at all times.
I use a company's products, Brosh, from Israel, summer temps very like Philippines, their Ultra Kool mesh jackets, are great for summer riding here, with big vents, removeable armour pockets for shoulders/elbows/back protection. They also do great jeans, with Kevlar hip padding and removeable knee armour. As for my helmet, I understand the summer heat problems only too well, I use a Nolan Motocross, to get in as much air flow as possible.
I follow the motto "better to be sweating like a rapist, than bleeding like a stuck pig" and believe me please, I've been there!
GUNDAM168 April 21st, 2007, 07:20 PM Sa ganitong panahon ng sobrang init, pwede na kayong wag maghelmet kasi sa sobrang init lumalambot na ang concreto at aspalto sa kalsada kaya pag nabagok ka, hindi mababasag bungo nyo.
Subukan nyo...
@h3lios
Si Steve Armstrong (Voltes V avatar mo) naka helmet.
h3lios April 22nd, 2007, 09:54 AM @h3lios
Si Steve Armstrong (Voltes V avatar mo) naka helmet.
Yup....and I do wear one everytime I ride.
I don't know if you got the point about this. The point as I would like to raise is having the choice of wearing or not wearing a helmet. If a person does not want to wear a lid on his "hard" head...who are we to impose ourselves on him?
The discussions in the Michigan thread present some views about helmets contrary what most of us in the Philippines believe. It does get one thinking if helmets are effective or just aggravate one's chances of survival in a crash.
Believe me...I do "choose" to wear a helmet everytime I get on my bike. I'm making that choice fully aware that I'm taking my chances of maybe (God forbid) getting a broken neck because of the helmet or the helmet itself (no matter how expensive) may not protect my skull (I have not seen a helmet yet with a warranty or guarantee that you won't get a head injury while wearing it) if I figure in a crash.
The question is, are you aware of the dangers involved in your choice?
mikey™ April 22nd, 2007, 02:00 PM in addition, the thread that h3lios presented was about removing the helmet law in michigan... as compared to other states around michigan that repealed the helmet law. the pro-helmet people are presenting their case as the helmet would help prevent head injuries. the other people who wants to repeal the helmet law are saying that they want the freedom to choose... one of the reasons they are arguing are because of their insurance coverage.
the insurance people refuse to insure people who do not wear helmets and get involve in an accident. as opposed to the other states that earn money thru tourism from bikers. these bikers apparently choose to go around michigan because most of them dont want to wear helmets.
iba kse dito sa atin, doon pag nag ride ka, lalo cross country, sa interstate or highway ay walang sasakyan. buong araw ka sa highway wala ka man lang masasalubong na ibang sasakyan... di tulad dito para kang sausage na nag sisiksikan sa kalsada...
d2 sa atin, we wear helmets whether we want to or not because our country has a helmet law. bawal ang walang helmet... pero marami pa rin matigas ulo... kala nila mas matigas ulo nila kesa sa helmet.
tulad ni h3lios, ako may helmet, Zeus 990-A17 to be exact. i'm also an advocate for rider safety... so read on.... sana basahin nyo rin yung thread to get the bigger picture.
http://www.michiganvotes.org/2005-HB-4505
rockler8703 April 23rd, 2007, 09:42 AM in fairness to h3lios gets ko point nya. sa US kasi pro choice sila. freedom carried on to the max. it may have good points but it also has bad points.
what h3lios is pointing out is it is the riders choice to wear or not to wear helemts. wala tayong magagawa kung ayaw nila. they are all grown ups and should be responsible with their own decisions.
as for me, di lang helmet. full gear ako lagi! kahit coot lang gamit ko, full gear ako. it's my choice.:)
h3lios April 23rd, 2007, 12:00 PM ....in addition, the thread that h3lios presented was about ....
Sir, hindi po ako ang thread starter, si Sir chippoy po....Sensya na po, Sir chippoy!
d2 sa atin, we wear helmets whether we want to or not because our country has a helmet law. bawal ang walang helmet...
Exactly Sir!
But would it be better if our government would treat us as adults and we can say as sir rockler8703 says:
....full gear ako. it's my choice.:)
mikey™ April 23rd, 2007, 12:16 PM Sir, hindi po ako ang thread starter, si Sir chippoy po....
i meant posting the michiganvotes thread...:* hehehe no biggie...
chippoy April 25th, 2007, 01:03 AM Mga chiefs! Salamat po sa mga replies, but there really is no doubt that helmets and other safety gears can really save lives, much like the seatbelts and airbags on cages. However, these devices are produced for the sole purpose of protection "IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT" and in other cases, obedience to a law imposed on the roads. But what I am really trying to say is, "WHAT IF" the helmet and/or safety gear could make us ride less better due to discomfort brought about by the heat, for example, if on complete safety gears, I usually try to run faster or nimbler than without it because I want to get more wind to cool me down. Would I/we be better rider/s if our physical state is not overheating and therefore craving for more speed to get more air? Think about this with an open mind and not with gathered evidences or proofs found on what-have-you's, this is actually just a choice if we would be better or worse riders with or without these safety gears. God Bless po to all of us!
h3lios April 25th, 2007, 09:42 AM Mga chiefs! Salamat po sa mga replies, but there really is no doubt that helmets and other safety gears can really save lives, much like the seatbelts and airbags on cages. However, these devices are produced for the sole purpose of protection "IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT" and in other cases, obedience to a law imposed on the roads. But what I am really trying to say is, "WHAT IF" the helmet and/or safety gear could make us ride less better due to discomfort brought about by the heat, for example, if on complete safety gears, I usually try to run faster or nimbler than without it because I want to get more wind to cool me down. Would I/we be better rider/s if our physical state is not overheating and therefore craving for more speed to get more air? Think about this with an open mind and not with gathered evidences or proofs found on what-have-you's, this is actually just a choice if we would be better or worse riders with or without these safety gears. God Bless po to all of us!
The discussion is still within bounds, Sir. It is to point out that the choice of wearing or not wearing helmets and gears should be on the individual...if he chooses to wear them, well and good, no problem with that. If the gears should hamper him in his ride (overheating/discomfort/endangerment/claustrophobia) then he has the choice not to wear them.
rockler8703 April 25th, 2007, 09:48 AM Those folks lobbying for no helmets are f'n morons.
"No stats that proves helmet saves lives" - F that! I t-boned a car and my whole body slammed against the car before flying 10 ft - if I wasn't wearing a helmet my brain matters will be all over the road. Maybe he should see what happened to my Shoei.
How many prof. riders crashed and survived? The last prof. rider I can think of who died was back in 2002 or 2003 - Kato of MotoGP Telefonica whose throttle locked (can't remember exactly) and slammed against the wall at Suzuka. Suzuka track has no or little space from track to wall - that's why MotoGP doesn't race in Suzuka anymore b/c of safety issues. Hmmm.. I think there's a recent one in 250.
Engineers will not waste thousands of hours and $ to develop and constantly improve helmets.
So... Yay for helmets!
with kato's case they pointed out that it was rider error. he was at a high speed corner and he braked hard. too hard that it almost lifted his hind wheel. parang high side nga daw. the he lost control na. it was really a freak accident. and freak accidents do happen.
safety gears are there not to give us 100% cahnce of survival. nothing is absolute. but ta least it gives us a fighting chance.
studstar_tll April 25th, 2007, 09:56 AM meron helmets na yung skull lang ng cover di ba? parang yugn gamit nng teutuls sa american chopper,, mas presko siguro yugn ganon
mikey™ April 25th, 2007, 12:12 PM Mga chiefs! Salamat po sa mga replies, but there really is no doubt that helmets and other safety gears can really save lives, much like the seatbelts and airbags on cages. However, these devices are produced for the sole purpose of protection "IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT" and in other cases, obedience to a law imposed on the roads. But what I am really trying to say is, "WHAT IF" the helmet and/or safety gear could make us ride less better due to discomfort brought about by the heat, for example, if on complete safety gears, I usually try to run faster or nimbler than without it because I want to get more wind to cool me down. Would I/we be better rider/s if our physical state is not overheating and therefore craving for more speed to get more air? Think about this with an open mind and not with gathered evidences or proofs found on what-have-you's, this is actually just a choice if we would be better or worse riders with or without these safety gears. God Bless po to all of us!
it doesn't neccessarily mean that in hot weather, not wearing a helmet will make you a better rider, not with the reason that you will crave more speed to get more airflow to cool you down with a helmet or other safety gears for that matter. it all boils down to rider discipline. but i do admit that it is very uncomfortable if your sweating like a "pig inside an oven" when you're in full gear with this weather especially in traffic. but quoting one of our forumer here said something like " better be covered with sweat than covered in blood"...
even if it is not this hot, if you ride w/o a helmet (at cruising speed maybe) your senses may be more sensitive with your surroundings because there is no bucket covering your head, but at higher speeds the wind against your eyes and face may hamper your vision and the wind will also hamper your hearing... so therefore based on my observation, riding w/o a helmet (as i said earlier) does not neccessarily make you a better rider... aight!
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