Hello mga Sirs,

Im not a MAP member but I hope you guys wouldnt mind. Anyway its for the interst of the entire biking community even for cars and I think this is the best forum to post this thread.

Yesterday we have our SRC, MMC, VRC,and PRC meeting at Petron Macapagal station. All of a sudden a few ANCAR (pasay) police came and conducted an inspection for fake registration or commonly known as TALAHIB or PILIPIT. Each bike was asked for its OR, CR and lisence. Almost all have finished and pass the inspection till one of the last SRC member allegedly have a questionable CR. It quite obvious on each members face that we are quite not satisified with their findings on the said bike because the bike they suspected was brand new and legaly bought from a dealer (or CASA). Later to support and justify their doubt ANCAR police disclosed to us the formula to calculate a possibly (yes they admit its not 100% sure) fake registration. But Its enough for them to impound your Bike/Scoot/Car for verification purposses.

Below is just my example on how they calculated a possibly fake CR (likewise, the same formula were used for OR number verification).

For example if your CR no is 12345671.

1) Add all the numbers except the last or eight digit (which is 1 on my example).

1+2+3+4+5+6+7 = 28

2) the sum of first 7 numbers (28) will be divided by 9; which is 28/9 = 3.1111111

The decimal result ( .1111) shows that your last digit must be 1 in which on my example shows that you have a valid OR No. Any other number would mean a doubt on your registration giving them a reason to impound your bike.

Another thing is that if your bike was impounded there will be P1,800 impounding charges wether your bike is proven to be legal or not.

Can you advise us on how true or legal are these?

Thank you very much.:)

its almost always effective for imported bikes! pero on locally purchased ones marami hindi....... lalo na sa kotse.......

so for locally purchased bikes and scoots, it is best to have a photocopy of your oficial receipt when you bought it..

regarding the OR, it cannot be verified with this.


BTW very good tip to our fellow riders bro! malaking tulong yan! :)

No wonder they're looking for a calculator when I was stopped by a TMG officer along Marcos Highway on my way home from Dagupan.

And one officer edned up using his mobile phone computing something.

Hmmmm ..... the formula worked on my CR Number. :)

elaz,

ano nangyari dun sa scoot na nagkaproblema last night?

elaz>>

I am sorry that i can't stay longer last night. We had an MIB ride this am. But I got your SMS re: the situation. I am glad that it was ok na.

Your right about the formula. i just computed my new F4's or number and it came out right.

Keep in touch dude.

Elaz, I intend to be at the MAP meeting tomorrow. Is it possible for you and wasted to attend also. I really intend to bring this matter to MAP as I really would like to know what is our rights in situation like that.

Boss Rico, I hope MAP can invite a spokesperson either from LTO or TMG to enlighten us. Thanks.

reekee98>>

Please do take that up at the MAP mtg tom night.

Kindly post sa MAP forum about this so they can prepare.

i checked the formula with my Bigboy's papers and it worked on my o.r./ c.r.

herc, as always, thanks for saving my neck that night:)

boylit, i think he gave a crispy 500p to those a**holes:angry:

Just tried that formula on both my bikes. And it doesn't compute to .111111.

My Yam was imported by a known importer and my duc is from the dealership. I highly doubt they'd issue me fake papers.

Originally posted by Richie
Just tried that formula on both my bikes. And it doesn't compute to .111111.

My Yam was imported by a known importer and my duc is from the dealership. I highly doubt they'd issue me fake papers.



which one? the OR r the CR? very seldom does this apply in the OR kasi sunod sunod issue nito sa LTO offices, kaya tsambahan lang kung sakali masakto.... pero sa CR almost always!

pero like they said it is not 100% accurate. Best to confirm the record in LTO if its really in there and if possible to issue a certification. para di naman hassle if ever mapaginitan sa checkpoint.

Originally posted by Richie
Just tried that formula on both my bikes. And it doesn't compute to .111111.
Bro, does your CR number ends in "1"?

My computation ends in X.5555 ..... and my CR number ends in number "5". :)

Originally posted by Wolver888
Bro, does your CR number ends in "1"?

My computation ends in X.5555 ..... and my CR number ends in number "5". :)

Sorry, I guess I wasn't reading the instructions properly. It seems to work for me now, thanks for pointing it out Wolver.

No problem Bro. ;)

Originally posted by reekee98
Elaz, I intend to be at the MAP meeting tomorrow. Is it possible for you and wasted to attend also. I really intend to bring this matter to MAP as I really would like to know what is our rights in situation like that.

Thanks.

Rekee,
As much as i want to di pwede eh....dito kasi principal ko kaya medyo hectic schedule ko. Pero sana tumuloy ka. Wasted, ikaw di pede?

Herc,

No problem, youve done your best to help.

Boylit,
I just talk to their superior nag lagay na lang ng P500 para na lang makauwi na kami.


As for my bike buti nakalusot na di na question pero as soon as I got home I tried calculating it and both my CR and OR are ok.
However my Speedfight OR doesnt e sa Remcor ko yun binili, buti na lang di yon dala ko kundi dagdag areglo pa.

V22,
sabi ng mga pulis dapat daw pareho pasado (OR & CR) sa computaion

haaaayy nako nagatasan pa kami:rolleyes:

naku elaz, malabo talaga yang OR kasi sunod sunod issue nyan! tsambahan lang na matapat..... kung ganun ng ganun edi marami mahuhuli!

dapat maexplain ng mabuti sa mga yan! pagka alam mo pinagsasabi mo e titiklop din mga yan, maraming ganyan na nangangaya! :angry:

Its difficult for the law enforcers to determine if the bikes were riding is ours or not until they make a visual check of our documents. Here in the US, they only check your documents if you give the police reason to stop you, like a violation of the law or suspicious behavior. We want these guys to be vigilant at checking for stolen or illegally documented bikes, but the action can be interpreted as harassment. What did not sink well with me is the impound charge (even if the bike was imponded in error) and having to bribe the police to release the bike. That's harassment plus corruption.

ang masasabi ko lang e para yatang imposible na hindi alam ng mga nagpepeke ng papeles ang formula na yan, lalu na yung may mga koneksyon sa lto. kung gayon e madali pa rin malagpasan kahit pa talahib hawak mo. :rolleyes:

o kaya naman e kuha sila ng mga 5-10 na legal na papeles tapos kopyahin nila yung mga numero. e di pag kinalkula mo yung number ng talahib e patok pa rin. :rolleyes:

this formula worked for my CR - my CR# ends in "7" and the result i got is "2.77777777..."

however, this did not work for my OR...my OR # ends in "0" but i got ".222222..."

Originally posted by neilski_632
this formula worked for my CR - my CR# ends in "7" and the result i got is "2.77777777..."

however, this did not work for my OR...my OR # ends in "0" but i got ".222222..."
bro., ok lang ata kung sa o.r. e ndi nag match:)

mga bros',
is there another way I could know if my docs are legit or not?
your formula does not seem to work on mine (CR/OR). as a matter of fact I get a whole number.... not even those decimals (ie: x.11111). all I get is a flat whole number 4, and my CR last digit is 6.
Now I am concerned! please advice.
Thanks much.

sirei, pls post the actual no. of your CR... and ur equation on how u got ur result..... maybe we can help....:)

dont worry about th OR, seldom does this work.... kasi sunod sunod ang issue. in ascending order, naman nito sa mga lto offices kaya hindi applicable ung formula....

sirei, pls post the actual no. of your CR... and ur equation on how u got ur result..... maybe we can help....

V22,
CR No.: 2657934-6
my OR has 9 digits.

based on the formula;

Total for the first 7 digits = 36
36 / 9 = 4.0000

therefore, if we take the decimals as the reference for the supposed last digit of my CR No.: it would then be .0000 or maybe 4? either way, it does not match.

Did I do it right?:?

Thanks again

yep sirei, it doesnt match!!! is your bike a fresh import or accuired from a previous owner locally? had it been transferred to your name already??

does it still have the custom cp no.?


better yet, check with the issuing LTO office re your records..... and if possible if they can give you a certification. Talahib papers mostly do'nt comply with the result of the formula and these papers do'nt exist in the LTO offices, as long as your papers are intact in the LTO, you're bike is legit.....

as said this is not always a sure way of finding a talahib paper..... pero it works almost 90% of the time.....



hope this helps....

V22,
Yes, it was a Fresh import acquired from an importer.
It was transferred to my name February 2004.

I have the following docs, and I carry all of them with the bike.
1- Informal import declaration and Entry under my name
2- Copy of CP under my name
3- PNP Vehicle Clearance Certificate under my name
4- LTO Confirmation Certificate and OR under my name
5- LTO CR and OR under my name

I still have to check with the LTO, QC District Office for authentication of these documents.

Thanks a lot for your help and clarification.

My documents have been verified. clean and clear as per LTO records. maraming Salamat po sir Speedjack! Thanks to the wifey as well. You've been a great help.

I guess I am one of those 10% wherein the formula does not work.

What if, an ANCAR officer checks my documents and does not confer with their formula, do they have the right to impound my motorbike on this basis alone?

I think LTO does not need to issue a certification attesting to the documents they have already issued such as Legit OR, CR, etc.. for them to believe these are genuine docs.

I would assume ANCAR personnel also have a way to detect whether our CR and OR are genuine or not???

Just my thoughts.

I just got a text message from Sirei asking for assistance to check the OR/CR of his bike registration....I had it check thru my wife who works at PNP-TMG- MVC Unit. His papers are legit.

Am not sure if those guys are just pulling your leg or what. They cannot distinguish Talahibs from legit registration until they have it computer checked which can only be done in the Central Office in Q.C. I've seen Talahib Registrations, know some people who process some of this papers.

For your information...Talahibs mostly comes from inside LTO, the paper is legit, but, the problem is it is not entered into their computer base that is why there will be no records at all.Even the stickers are coming from LTO itself.

Others clone the papers...you would only notice the difference on the texture, original registration papers are thicker.

This is rampant in the Cental Office at Q.C.....

IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT WITH REGARDS TO YOUR PAPERS, JUST P.M. ME OR TEXT ME AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE DETAILS YOU NEED.

AND TO THOSE PLANNING TO BUY SECOND HAND BIKES...I SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE THE PAPERS CHECK BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO BUY THEM.

NEXT TIME THOSE ANCAR BOYS DO THEIR TRICKS AGAIN.....THAT'S BULLS???! THEY CANNOT IMPOUND YOUR BIKE AT ALL!!! NO TRAFFIC VIOLATION/ACCIDENT/ YOUR BIKE STAYS WITH YOU!!! THEY WANT TO CHECK THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE REGISTRATION, TELL THEM TO WAIT UNTIL THE LTO OFFICE OPENS AND ALL TOGETHER YOU COULD CHECK IT!!!

CROCODILES!!!CROCODILES!!! I HATE THOSE CROCS!!!

YOU COULD GET MY CELL NUMBER FROM SIREI.....AND IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN WHILE YOU'RE ALL AT MACAPAGAL OR ANYWHERE IN METRO MANILA...PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AND I WILL SURELY BE THERE TO DEAL WITH THIS CROCS!!!!COZ' I'LL BE BRINGING ALONG SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM!!!

HOPE I WAS OF HELP.

Only the PNP-TMG Units can detect fake registration as they can easily call them in at their computer base to check the or/cr numbers...ANCAR are just plain hungry!!! Simple as that!!!
My brother-in-law is a retired PNP-TMG Col....used to be the Head of the clearance unit at Pasig., that is why I know how this things work. Trust me...ANCAR guys are pussy!! No authorization to impound vehicles without justified cause pertaining to vehicular accident or traffic violation.
I rest my case....

Originally posted by siRei
My documents have been verified. clean and clear as per LTO records. maraming Salamat po sir Speedjack! Thanks to the wifey as well. You've been a great help.

I guess I am one of those 10% wherein the formula does not work.

What if, an ANCAR officer checks my documents and does not confer with their formula, do they have the right to impound my motorbike on this basis alone?

I think LTO does not need to issue a certification attesting to the documents they have already issued such as Legit OR, CR, etc.. for them to believe these are genuine docs.

I would assume ANCAR personnel also have a way to detect whether our CR and OR are genuine or not???

Just my thoughts. :angry: :D

Good for you sirei! :)

thanks speedjack for your assistance! :)

yep, mga buwaya talaga sila!!!!!! :angry:

Originally posted by speedjack
CROCODILES!!!CROCODILES!!! I HATE THOSE CROCS!!!

YOU COULD GET MY CELL NUMBER FROM SIREI.....AND IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN WHILE YOU'RE ALL AT MACAPAGAL OR ANYWHERE IN METRO MANILA...PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AND I WILL SURELY BE THERE TO DEAL WITH THIS CROCS!!!!COZ' I'LL BE BRINGING ALONG SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM!!!

HOPE I WAS OF HELP.
that's great! thanks speedjack...

Speedjack, Thank you for the advice. Good thing on-line ka na rin....medyo di na kami dinadalaw ng mga ANCAR boys na yun. Just to be sure I'll just get your number from SIREI

I informed Sirei to give you my number...am here lang naman sa Q.C.....Am just doing my part as a fellow rider so no problem at all. In case these crocs give you some trouble again...asked for their full name and station assignment, then call me with the info so I can call the their station head....or feel free to call and I'll talk to them.I want to hear what they want to say. Thanks again.


Originally posted by reekee98
Speedjack, Thank you for the advice. Good thing on-line ka na rin....medyo di na kami dinadalaw ng mga ANCAR boys na yun. Just to be sure I'll just get your number from SIREI

hmmm...the forumula worked for me...anyways,speedjack, i'll get your number. mine's posted at my signature. if ever you have prblms with cops in cavite or paranaque, give me a call.

To those who text me regarding verification...the papers are clean and in order, no bad records found!

I misplaced my cell the other day(tanga me) and don't know till now where the damn phone is.....Anyways, sorry for this inconvenience.

Just text my wife at 09178247440 for any verification..just inform her before you sent the details that I referred you coz' she won't reply.

I'll get a new phone ASAP. Have a nice day guys.

Romeo(speedjack)

E pano naman kung nakuha na nila ang computation tapos meron papala silang i cocompute para makita nila na tugma naman sa PLAKA mo..?:clap:

SPEEDJACK, just wait something from ABOVE!!! HE sees everything we do and give us in return!!!

And for those CROOKED A*S COP, wait something from "BELOW".. ooopppssss, i guess i was wrong, "someone is waiting below"...

hehehehehe

Be safe RIDERS

This thread was 2004 pa and said checking is no longer being practice by the ANCAR

ung akin 7 ang last digit ng CR ang lumabas .777777778 ok lang kaya ito