Do you believe the penalty charge for non-wearing of helmet here in Navotas is 500 pesos? A lot of people are complaining about this because LTO and MMDA charge only 150 pesos penalty for non wearing of helmet. During night time SWAT are the ones who are issuing ticket for non-wearing of helmet. Imagine SWAT nag-iissue na ng ticket for non-wearing of helmet, kasama ba sa weapons tactics yun? According to the municipal staff it is the mayors directive to charge 500 pesos for non-wearing of helmet. Kaya lang I told them it's over charging because LTO and MMDA charges only 150 pesos. We asked them if the ticket is being acknowledge by LTO and MMDA, hindi daw so kapag nahuli ka ng MMDA or LTO another case na naman driving without license.

Guys, Need your opinion about this, we want to know as to whom we can go to in order to bring down the penalty charge to 150 pesos, medyo mukha kasing source of corruption na yung difference na 450 pesos.

Originally posted by reekee98
Guys, Need your opinion about this, we want to know as to whom we can go to in order to bring down the penalty charge to 150 pesos, medyo mukha kasing source of corruption na yung difference na 450 pesos.

reekee98

ok lang yan. mabuti yan para madala and magsuot ng helmet yang mga tao sa Navotas. Kung ako tatanungin mo dapat nga gawing Php1T yang penalty plus mandatory enrollment sa isang riders couse for failure to wear a helmet while operating a motorcycle. Para rin naman sa safety nila yan e. Kung penalty nyan Php150.00 lang e di hindi pinansin ng mga taga Navotas yang batas at dadami yung mga hindi magsusuot ng helmet kasi maliit lang yung multa sa violation.
Simple lang naman ang solution dyan para hindi ka mahuli....MAGSUOT KA NG HELMET.

I agree with spdfgtr. If you always wear your helmet, kahit na P10K pa ang penalty, hindi ka dapat mabahala.

those are good points, but i think the question that should be asked here is "are what they are doing legal?" kung ang lto and mmda php150 lang ang charge samantalang sila php500, parang may mali yata...

Originally posted by wrong wolf
those are good points, but i think the question that should be asked here is "are what they are doing legal?" kung ang lto and mmda php150 lang ang charge samantalang sila php500, parang may mali yata...

True. These guys are doing something illegal, IMO. But, what else is new? Unless a motorcyclist has any reason not to wear a helmet, he won't be affected by it, diba?

What I'd do is, wear my helmet 100% of the time at hayaan mo silang manigas sa gilid ng kalsada. :D

Again, just my opinion.

Peace, bro. ;)

under the law, sa metro manila, mmda has sole jurisdiction over all traffic related matters. that's why lto and mmda has this rift over traffic regulation in metro manila.

one way to check if it's a source of corruption is to see if they issue any citation receipts or traffic violation receipts... baka nga meron silang municipal ordinance o meron order yung mayor...

be that as it may, pag kinuwestiyon mo legality niyan sa courts, malamang matalo municipality. kasi clear ang law creating mmda e.

kung gusto mo padala ka sulat sa mmda council (council of mayors with chairman bayani as head) demanding an explanation. :D dapat within 15 days sumagot sila under RA6713.

Thanks Camote, I think I'll discuss this with other members in our group. I'm not against that they were apprehended but the charge is too much...500 pesos, it's worth 1kilo of an infant milk. I always ride with helmet in our place so that's why I wasn't apprehended for non wearing of helmet. Naawa lang ako sa mga nahuli kasi 500 pesos ang bigat sa bulsa...naabala na raw sila ng pagkuha ng license dapat naman huwag ng pahirapan pa yung bulsa nila....150 pesos din dapat impose nila same with MMDA and LTO.

Originally posted by CaMoTe!!!

kung gusto mo padala ka sulat sa mmda council (council of mayors with chairman bayani as head) demanding an explanation. :D dapat within 15 days sumagot sila under RA6713.

CLAP CLAP CLAP

Galing talaga ni Sweet Potato!:D

On legality:

The municipal/city mayors have jurisdiction in their locale as mandated by our laws. These rules (however funny or inhumane :rolleyes: ) are legal since it goes through an approval process in their respective city/municipal councils. But then again, this is the ideal scenario. One can go through the tedious task of trying to justify these rules' "unfairness" but hey, is anyone up to that? :C

On helmets:

It's best just to wear them. It is an INDISPENSIBLE part of your motorcycle get-up. "Ride safe" as what my bananas are clearly dancing to the tune of in my sig. Iwas huli pa, di ba?

Imagine SWAT nag-iissue na ng ticket for non-wearing of helmet, kasama ba sa weapons tactics yun?

Now THIS is an extreme case of multi-tasking. They should be focusing on some things else. Too much muscle, don't you think Navotas? :?

Peace.

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Wearing helmet is a must!

mukha ngang may milagro sa P500! SWAT!!! Nanghuhuli na rin!!! EH! SILA NGA WALANG HELMET!!!!! SIGA PA SA DAAN!!!!

This is just my own observation!
Referring to jst a few!
Ang tamaan GUILTY!


PEACE:punk:

so what else is new?

Originally posted by Bullhead
Wearing helmet is a must!

mukha ngang may milagro sa P500! SWAT!!! Nanghuhuli na rin!!! EH! SILA NGA WALANG HELMET!!!!! SIGA PA SA DAAN!!!!

This is just my own observation!
Referring to jst a few!
Ang tamaan GUILTY!


PEACE:punk:
Bullhead, since your from Malabon, try to pass by C4 corner M. Naval around 9pm, You'll see that there are a 4 SWAT in motorcycles or Anfra Van holding a traffic ticket issued by Municipality of Navotas. Make sure you're wearing a helmet otherwise Mayor Toby Tiangco will be happy receiving your 500 pesos =b

let's just see if someone who's pissed at the navotas swat could probably blow up a grenade or a bomb blast behind their (SWAT) backs just to prove that they had better be watching over more damaging risks than make more money out of MMDA's jurisdiction.

Better still, let everyone in the website write to MMDA to increase their 150 pesos penalty for not wearing a helmet! maybe 300 or even 1K! i guess that should keep those bare-head riders off the streets. Accidents involving poor safety practices of bike riders just aggravates the sentiments of the people who are biased against motorcycle riding!

Originally posted by patrickcchua
let's just see if someone who's pissed at the navotas swat could probably blow up a grenade or a bomb blast behind their (SWAT) backs just to prove that they had better be watching over more damaging risks than make more money out of MMDA's jurisdiction.

Better still, let everyone in the website write to MMDA to increase their 150 pesos penalty for not wearing a helmet! maybe 300 or even 1K! i guess that should keep those bare-head riders off the streets. Accidents involving poor safety practices of bike riders just aggravates the sentiments of the people who are biased against motorcycle riding!

OJ88 / PatrickChua, After thinking this for a few days my views have changed, it really sinked to my senses that both of you are correct. The issue is not about the 500 pesos fine but more on the safety issue of non-wearing of helmet. Probaby the mayor used the HOT STOVE approach, if you know that you'll be burn then don't touch the hot stove...same with the fine of 500 pesos...if you know that you'll be fined 500 pesos for not wearing the helmet then you will have to wear the helmet to avoid the 500 pesos fine.

Originally posted by reekee98
if you know that you'll be fined 500 pesos for not wearing the helmet then you will have to wear the helmet to avoid the 500 pesos fine.


Mismo! simple lang ang solution di ba? :)

there is no arguement as to the validity of your concerns about the safety issue. but do two wrongs make a right? mali na nga yung hindi pagsuot ng helmet. paano kung mali rin yung pag-charge ng php500? kung malinis at legal, okay lang. i say, go for it! pero paano nga kung hindi. kailangan hindi labag sa batas!

i just want to make sure.

One of the problems why traffic violations are becoming more of a norm than taboo is the fact that most traffic laws are not enforced, but if they were, the penalties are dirt-cheap and doesn't make much of a dent on the offender's wallet.

Back in high school, we were not allowed to speak Filipino in English class. If you were caught, you'll be fined P1.00 for EVERY spoken Filipino word. It was crude, but effective. (P1.00 was quite a considerable amount for a kid back then).

If you make the fines more prohibitive, would-be violators would think twice and be less likely to commit any illegalities.... Something like say, fine them P300 to P500 and suspend their license for a week or so.

Now, even if the SWAT team are allegedly fining lidless critters illegally, I think they're still doing the MC community a good favor by cleaning up the mess.

Originally posted by wrong wolf
but do two wrongs make a right? mali na nga yung hindi pagsuot ng helmet. paano kung mali rin yung pag-charge ng php500? kung malinis at legal, okay lang. i say, go for it! pero paano nga kung hindi. kailangan hindi labag sa batas!

i just want to make sure.


as long as the end result will save a life then wala na akong pakialam pa kung legal man or hindi yung ginagawa ng mga authorities sa Navotas. Sending the message ang key dito. P500 will send a clear message to these bikers na ayaw magsuot ng helmet. Mura lang ang helmet. less than Php1T meron ka nang high quality na helmet. ang mahirap lang talaga ay yung self discipline na isuot ito pag sasakay sa motor....sadly karamihan sa Pilipino ay walang disiplina sa sarili kaya kailangan pa silang hulihin at pagmultahin para ma-instill yung disiplina.

sabi ko nga, maaring legal yung ordinansa na ipinapatupad ngayon diyan sa navotas tungkol sa panghuhuli sa mga hindi nagsusuot ng helmet. maaring itinalaga ng nasabing ordinansa na ang SWAT ng navotas pulis ang magpatupad ng nasabing lokal na ordinansa.

subalit, ngunit, datapwat... sinabi ko rin na kung gusto nyo itanong kung bakit hindi naaayon sa higit na mas makapangyarihang batas (gaya ng batas na nagtatayo ng MMDA) ang local na ordinansa, maari tayong sumulat sa mmda council dahil ang butihing alkalde ng navotas ay kalahok dito. :D

gayunpaman, sa aking pansariling opinion, nararapat lamang at napapanahon ang pinapairal na kalakaran ng lokal na pamahalaan ng navotas tungkol sa pagsusuot ng helmet...

may nabasa ako sa isang patalastas sa diyaryo na nagsasabing kung di ka maghehelmet, sira ang ulo mo!!!:D

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY spdfgtr:
as long as the end result will save a life then wala na akong pakialam pa kung legal man or hindi yung ginagawa ng mga authorities sa Navotas. Sending the message ang key dito.

nagkaroon pa tayo ng mga batas kung hindi rin susundin... rolleyes:

sang-ayon ako kay wrong wolf. tama lamang na ma-huli ang nakasakay sa motor na walang helmet, pero ang penalty, kung ano ang nasa batas, yun ang sundin. kung 500 ba ang legal e di ok. opinyon lamang. ingat yaman.:C

yun ang punto mismo. kung ano ang nasa batas, yun ang dapat sundin. kung mali ang batas, palitan! pero sa legal na paraan. kung masyado maliit yung nakasaad na penalty, e di taasan pero dapat legal yung pagtaas. yun ang kinukwestyon ko.

while we're at the subject of helmets, dapat may regulation rin dapat sa tamang pagsuot ng helmet. may helmet nga at nakasuot nga pero so nuo lang nakalagay yung full face helmet nya. :rolleyes:

MMDA seeks unified traffic ticketing

By Marvin Sy
The Philippine Star 05/27/2003


The Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) has urged the 17 local government units of Metro Manila to adopt a single ticketing system for traffic violations.

MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando explained that the single ticketing system is prescribed under Republic Act 7924 or the MMDA Charter.

There are currently six local government units out of the total of 17 in Metro Manila that are still using their own traffic citation tickets namely Malabon City, Mandaluyong City, Muntinlupa City, Pasay City, Navotas and Pateros.

Fernando explained that there is a need to have uniformity in the issuance of the tickets in order to avoid jurisdiction problems.

Under the single ticketing system, all traffic enforcers of the LGUs should use the traffic violation receipts (TVR) of the MMDA.

According to the Charter of the MMDA, the agency shall "install and administer a single ticketing system, fix, impose and collect fines and penalties for all kinds of violations of traffic rules and regulations."

The Charter also authorizes the MMDA to deputize members of the Philippine National Police, LGU traffic enforcers, security guards and even members of non-government organizations to assist the agency in managing traffic.

After deputation, the traffic enforcers will be allowed to use the TVRs for apprehending erring motorists.

MMDA General Manager Robert Nacianceno noted that the non-TVR citation tickets issued by some LGUs carry varying fines and penalties, whereas the TVR carries a uniform rate.

He added that in some cases, the tickets issued at one LGU will not be honored in another LGU which could lead to multiple apprehensions on the part of the motorists.

Fernando also pointed out that the MMDA was created under a special law, the contents of which, supersedes other older and related laws being used by the LGUs.

By adopting the single ticketing system, the motorists can be assured that all traffic laws in Metro Manila are the same.

In the case of some LGUs, their respective councils have passed ordinances for the traffic violations and fines.

Some of the Metro Manila mayors argued that the use of the TVRs would leave them with nothing much in the share of fines as 75 percent belong to the MMDA.

The mayors have agreed to work-out a compromise for the single ticketing system including a proposal to split the revenue from the TVRs between the LGUs and MMDA.

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200305276305.htm