To reflect and...Act.

The difference between the poor countries and the rich ones is not the
age of the country. This can be shown by countries like India and Egypt
which are over 2000 years old but are poor. On the other hand, Canada,
Australia and New Zealand, which 150 years ago are inexpressive, today
are developed countries and rich.

The difference between poor and rich countries does not reside in the
available natural resources. Japan has a limited territory, 80%
mountainous, inadequate for agriculture and cattle raising, but is the
second world economy. The country is like an immense floating factory,
importing raw material from the whole world and exporting manufactured
products. Another example is Switzerland, which does not plant cocoa but
has th ebest chocolate of the world. In it's little territory, it raises
animals and plants the soil just four months of the year. Not enough,
they produce dairy products of the best quality. It is a small country
that transmits an image of security, order and labor, which made it the
world's strong safe.

Executives from rich countries who communicate with their counterparts
in poor countries reveal that there are no significant intellectual
differences.

Race or skin color are also not important: immigrants labeled lazy in
their countries of origin are the productive power in rich European
countries.

What is the difference then?

The difference is the attitude of the people, framed through the years
by the education and the culture. In analyzing the behavior of the
people in rich and developed countries, we find that the great majority
follow these principles in their lives:

1. Ethics as a basic principle;
2. Integrity;
3. Responsibility;
4. Respect for rules and laws;
5. Respect for the rights of other citizens;
6. Work loving;
7. Strive for saving and investment;
8. Will of super action;
9. Punctuality.

In poor countries, only a minority adhere to these basic principles in
their daily lives.

We are not poor because we lack natural resources or because nature was
cruel to us. We are poor because we lack attitude. We lack the will to
comply with and teach these functional principles of rich and developed
societies.

I have noticed a change in attitude since I moved here 9 years ago. When I arrived I would ask how come people put up with all the corruption. They must know it is the main reason why the Philippines is so poor. The answer I always got was "That's the way it is" or if talking about cops "Well they don't get paid much" as if not having a good salary means its OK the steal and be corrupt.

I don't hear that much any more. Most people are sick of the corruption. The problem now is that only a tiny minority are prepared to do anything about it. Most will complain but most still accept it or just forgive and forget, encouraging the wrong doers to do it again.

It is not a problem that can be fixed in a short time but it is changing for the better.

It reminds me of the saying "God give me patience but please be quick"

Originally posted by whitebear
What is the difference then?

The difference is the attitude of the people, framed through the years by the education and the culture. In analyzing the behavior of the people in rich and developed countries, we find that the great majority follow these principles in their lives:

1. Ethics as a basic principle;
2. Integrity;
3. Responsibility;
4. Respect for rules and laws;
5. Respect for the rights of other citizens;
6. Work loving;
7. Strive for saving and investment;
8. Will of super action;
9. Punctuality.


I think Americans are doing those principles that's why until now America is still the most powerful nation in the world.

Originally posted by froilanr
I think Americans are doing those principles that's why until now America is still the most powerful nation in the world.

I don't agree with that but don't get me started talking about America :D

I believe every country in Europe has the same strong principles, so do Australia, New Zealand and just about every developed country in the world.

What I believe is if every person in this country will follow these basic principles, it'll really make a big difference. I just can't explain why Filipinos are like what they are right now. The mentality of most of us are really way beyond standard. I'm becoming convinced that democracy will never work in the Philippines because the future of this country simply can't be entrusted to the great majority.

WHEN WILL THIS END??????

:angry: :angry: :angry:

Originally posted by Frank Woolf
I don't agree with that but don't get me started talking about America :D

Maybe I should say some American people until now are doing those principles and their ancestors did those principles. Now look at America, they are bless with material things etc...

Sad to say some or most Americans also today are doing things that will destroy their lives and country. My American Pastor told us these problems (moral values etc...) about their nation facing now.

Originally posted by whitebear
What I believe is if every person in this country will follow these basic principles, it'll really make a big difference. I just can't explain why Filipinos are like what they are right now. The mentality of most of us are really way beyond standard. I'm becoming convinced that democracy will never work in the Philippines because the future of this country simply can't be entrusted to the great majority.

WHEN WILL THIS END??????

:angry: :angry: :angry:


OOOPSSS... I mean way below standard.... (not beyond, sorry...)

Originally posted by whitebear
... I'm becoming convinced that democracy will never work in the Philippines because the future of this country simply can't be entrusted to the great majority.

WHEN WILL THIS END??????



Well, we went through a dictatorship, and that didn't work did it? Now it looks like we're gonna get ourselves a Monarch. At least "D' King" (of the movies at least) :D

Originally posted by Richie
Well, we went through a dictatorship, and that didn't work did it? Now it looks like we're gonna get ourselves a Monarch. At least "D' King" (of the movies at least) :D

I do have a big feeling that FPJ will WIN this coming election... I'm wondering what's going to happen to this country when that happens.... I remember a member of the Makati Business Club asking... "If you're an owner of a company, are you going to allow a driver or a utility man become the President of your company? Definitely not, no matter how popular, kind, or good-looking he/she is."

We are not talking about a company here don't we? We are talking about the country which is far more complicated than a big company.

I'm not judging FPJ because every person have his/her own capabilities. What I'm saying is, every person should focus where he/she is good at.

Another thing I hate about this country is the qualification for becoming a president. If somebody's going to apply for a high position in any company, the qualifications are very high. Good Education. Years of Experience. Competitiveness. Etc... Well, go ahead and read the Philippine Constitution if there's anything like that as a President's qualification. Its the highest position in the country, yet even the dumbest person is qualified. No wonder even "Ermintanyo", "The Messiah", and "Otso-otso man" are filing for their candidacies...

Go ahead and think bros... because I can't think no more.

I kinna hesitate on this, but here it goes(just my opinion). Alot of smart ones, instead of voting will just sit at home and say well most of them will be voting for him anyway or Hope that God will change things for the bettter. And this is the thing that irritates me. You have to act and make the change cuz God is not gonna do it for ya. Get out and VOTE.......

Originally posted by Cu@DCrest
I kinna hesitate on this, but here it goes(just my opinion). Alot of smart ones, instead of voting will just sit at home and say well most of them will be voting for him anyway or Hope that God will change things for the bettter. And this is the thing that irritates me. You have to act and make the change cuz God is not gonna do it for ya. Get out and VOTE.......

AMEN

Originally posted by whitebear
I do have a big feeling that FPJ will WIN this coming election... I'm wondering what's going to happen to this country when that happens.... I remember a member of the Makati Business Club asking... "If you're an owner of a company, are you going to allow a driver or a utility man become the President of your company? Definitely not, no matter how popular, kind, or good-looking he/she is."

We are not talking about a company here don't we? We are talking about the country which is far more complicated than a big company.

I'm not judging FPJ because every person have his/her own capabilities. What I'm saying is, every person should focus where he/she is good at.

Another thing I hate about this country is the qualification for becoming a president. If somebody's going to apply for a high position in any company, the qualifications are very high. Good Education. Years of Experience. Competitiveness. Etc... Well, go ahead and read the Philippine Constitution if there's anything like that as a President's qualification. Its the highest position in the country, yet even the dumbest person is qualified. No wonder even "Ermintanyo", "The Messiah", and "Otso-otso man" are filing for their candidacies...

Go ahead and think bros... because I can't think no more.

I agree but I'm not sure if FPJ will win. I think he should not run for president. He doesn't have political background. I think he's not really qualified to become our next president. I think also he's companions only force him to run for their selfish interest.

I have lived in the UK for so long, perhaps my thinking of how a goverment is elected is biased, but they have managed to run the country in best possible way, even with the multi national residents. Of course they can't keep everyone happy, but the system to elect a government to run the country is better.

First, parties are formed. Each party will elect a leader. Then all parties will have a representative in a borough (district) for the election. The residents of that borough will vote for the party that they best feel will run their borough better.
The idea is to fill the seats in the House of Common. The party who get the majority seats will be the elected government, of course the leader of the winning party MUST win his/her constituency too or he/she won't be a Prime Minister!:O

I will still cast my oversea's vote!

Pero kung sa Tate, naluluto din yung votes, sa Pinas kaya? Sunog na ba?
Masarap naman kasi yung t***** tapos lagyan mo pa ng kape! hmmm... yum yum:drool:

Originally posted by froilanr

"I agree but I'm not sure if FPJ will win."


you agree that FPJ will win and yet you don't?

peace bro..


Originally posted by whitebear

Go ahead and think bros... because I can't think no more.

me 2.

i used to talk (or educate) others, our labandera, driver, helper, tambay, etc, etc regarding our countrys blah blah blah and now im getting tired. ang titigas ng ulo!!

the simplest thing a masa can do to contribute something to our country, is as simple as birth control. or is it that simple?

Originally posted by Liam
you agree that FPJ will win and yet you don't?

peace bro..

I mean I agree sa mga sinabi ni whitebear, but I don't know if FPJ will win for president.

Mahirap talaga mag english.:D

i am sure philippines is not a poor country with a percapita income of 3000usd+ per annum
i would say modern philippino citizen is confused about his identity.
may be philippines needs a cultural revolution

Roy, your comment reminded me of another comment I heard from a woman I got to know while I was working for the World Bank in the Philippines. She was with US Aid and just arrived from India. We were discussing poverty in the Philippines and she surprised me by saying, "there is poverty in the Philippines, but you have never seen poverty until you've seen India." Sad to say, there are people out there dying from starvation while people in other countries are dying from obesity.

I been to Philippines several times, the people there are not poor , i will say that they are wasting their money , buying all those junk stuff from all the malls.
what is conspicuous by their absence is , basic necessities like food, shelter, clothing and affordable medical care.
i noticed too much consumerism, WAY TOO MUCH

Originally posted by Roy350
i noticed too much consumerism, WAY TOO MUCH

Wouldn't $$$ has influence in it?
I went to SM to get my GBP changed, the teller told me to go away!:rolleyes:
Oh well, I learnt my lesson!:D Next time I know!

When i first came upon this thread, i said to myself, 'here is a complicated question?' But as time went by, here is my reaction:


1. here is question of cultural attitude intertwined with the dynamics of (world) political economics

2. having globalization in mind, there is unfair competition since the bargaining power between the industrial and '3rd' world' is not equal. this 'lack of attitude on our side' or 'its our fault' is like saying to a woman raped - 'well u called 4 it'.

3. were the blacks in d u.s.a have attitudinal problems or were they discriminated upon so that they (as a whole) did not become 'rich' as early in that country's history?

4. the united nation is a glaring example of inequality. imagine d 3rd world having no clout when a nation declares war on another. the colonial history (or culture) of the 3rd world cannot b dismissed as one of the reason for this just becoz we were already declared independent.

I guess what i am saying is that we might be blaming ourselves too much, whereas the industrialized world is taking advantage of us and of our (3rd world) disunity. I repeat my answer may also b simplistic, and cannot explain the dynamics of 'rich and poor' countries. But will not certainly blame myself. The plan of action calls for fairness from the industrized countries.

[India is rich except its distribution is not too ideal. It has scientific prowess - able to develop the atomic bomb - and has a viable steel industry to say the least.]

Who said politics? Who said profits? Who said keeping the rich richer and keeping the poor poorer? Who said politics are for showbiz?

Was it right for the world trade to burns the the excess wheat to keep the price up? They could have given that to the poorer country!

Is it right to make the developing countries to produce the products cheaply for the develop countries? And in doing so, have to deal with the toxic by-product in the process?

To me, it doesn't matter who or how many presidents are voted. The important things is the goals that were set donkeys years ago is on course as plan. They make promises that are empty to be in power.

The formula is there infront of them, they only have to look at Japan, Malaysia, Singapore and neighbouring countries! As for skills and talented people? The Philippines is never short of it!

My rant for the day..... Pass me pills please, ta!:)

Hi Ed pascual.
the atomic weapons and the space programme and the steel industry are exceptions ,result of dedication, hard work and years of perseverance with out political interference.and i may add judicious use of our intelligence agencies especially the RAW.

remember india have a population of 1 billion, and per capita income in the 400usd per annum range.
what does that mean , a person is surviving with less than 2 usd a day.
how can you call that rich?
I notice some thing when i went to HI top super market in cubao,
onion produced in Baugio costs more than the imported onion, i think it is bad policy in part of govt, who is aiding in slowly killing off the native agriculture ,they should put import duties on the imported stuff or subsidize the farmers in philippines,
philippines is an agriculture based country , in future will go to ruin, due to free market policies.
one more question, what can members of this forum do to save philippines?

I'll chime in:

How do we define "poverty"?
- If it is based on material things or money (average Filipino monthly family income vs. U.S.), then yes, maybe the "majority" of the Philippines can be considered poor. (Although Honduras is BY FAR the financially poorest country I have ever been to.)

- If we base it on "family/spiritual values"... The Philippines is one of the RICHEST countries in the world. One where our "elders" still demand and are given respect, where we say "po" as a sign of respect and "bless" our parents/grandparents everytime we see them. Where the entire country still attends Midnight Mass on the eve of Christ's birth. Where teachers are looked up to. Where a 14 yr old "virgin" is not a rare anomaly. Where people have small houses filled with noisy, laughing kids - rather than BIG houses that a quiet and empty...

The United States is still the country I chose to make my home and place allegience to. That will not change. I consider myself blessed to have the life I have attained.

But the Philippines, by is FAR RICHER than most people will ever realize....

YAWN..........

All I can say is... 30 or 40 so-so years ago we were the envy of our Asian neighbors.

Today we are at the bottom heap. They learned from us. And us? Well, we just were content with screwing ourselves downhill. :D

So now, do we wait another 40 or so years and learn from our neigbors?

I dunno about you guys but I choose to start right now... in whatever way I can to get "us" going.

ta-ta. :)

Okay... back to sleep. That's enuf sed and ranted. :rolleyes:

I dont know where your allegience really stands
i too once thought of united states as heaven on earth , but when i read about that coynry more and more , i am having my doubts,
do you know that there were more filippinos killed under the united states occupation than the 300 years under spanish?

for example there is aprominent personality in the united states who addressed the filippinos as aboriginal community and when questioned about that ;he said, he will stand by what he stated, -on record.i read about this in the philippine inquirer while i was in the philippines.

do you know how they used to torture filippinos who were freedom fighters?
they will tie them up and lay them on the floor and them thrust a thick stick into their mouths so that it will be kept open and then pump water into their stomach until it burst.

Go and read your history Rick. and then talk about allegience.

Originally posted by Roy350
I dont know where your allegience really stands
i too once thought of united states as heaven on earth , but when i read about that coynry more and more , i am having my doubts,
do you know that there were more filippinos killed under the united states occupation than the 300 years under spanish?

for example there is aprominent personality in the united states who addressed the filippinos as aboriginal community and when questioned about that ;he said, he will stand by what he stated, -on record.i read about this in the philippine inquirer while i was in the philippines.

do you know how they used to torture filippinos who were freedom fighters?
they will tie them up and lay them on the floor and them thrust a thick stick into their mouths so that it will be kept open and then pump water into their stomach until it burst.

Go and read your history Rick. and then talk about allegience.

Hello Roy,
Maybe I should clarify myself...

I have been serving in the United States Air Force for 17 years this coming March. The life I have today is a DIRECT result of the path I have chosen in life. Today, I am blessed with a family -- a wife and three daughters; a home; a career I can be proud of; the comforts of life (although at the bottom of my priorities); and a country I have chosen to serve.

Do I believe that people do bad things to other people - YES... Throughout history, you will see crimes against the human race. The United States of America goes without exception (the Civil Rights struggle)... However, do I believe that evil is inherent in a people, a religion, a country? Absolutely not.

IF we live life and base our choices soley on what has happened in the past without consideration to what is happening TODAY, then we follow a blind path, my friend.

I do not know your background or life experience, but my position in life can be directly linked to the opportunities afforded to me by this country... America.

I stand unwavering by my allegience to the flag, my country, and our beliefs.

I have three people close to me that are currently deployed in Iraq. They're not torturing people -- they're not tieing anyone up and laying them on the floor thrusting thick sticks into their mouths. They are my friends - an Air Force doctor and 2 of my fellow medics -- caring for our wounded as well as those of the Iraqis. My wife will be joining them shortly -- so our daughters will be without "mom" for over three months... but we accept this as sacrifice for the life we chose.

So spare me the pseudo sympathetic stance on allegience and history... I don't really think you know what it means.

Question: If the United States, tomorrow, said: "Welcome Roy... come live here in America. Our doors are wide open, please come in..." Would you say: "Actually, no thanks, I'd rather stay in India (or the Philippines) because you are Evil Capitalist Oppressors!" -- ?

Be careful with your answer... lest hipocracy rears it's ugly head... :C

Take care Roy.

PS. I would advise you to be really careful about trusting ANY publication with "Inquirer" on the front of it...

This is some attitude. This also depicts there is a whole lot of difference between the U.S.A. (official government), unchecked lobby groups, and the American (unofficial, individual). I agree with the argument (not in this thread nor forum) that the U.S.A is not perfect, but it is one of the best alternative (i do not want to cross the British, French, & German – that’s why ‘one of the best’) – dynamic, can be corrected or changed – among the many choices of nations. This article also conforms with Rick’s wish about not reading any with ‘Inquirer’ (hehehe) in the frontpage. [Really didn’t have any intention of continuing in this thread, but I came upon this forwarded email from school’s yahoo group, and thought this is a timely and appropriate illustration (i hope). Let us keep united with our common interest (or spirituality as one thread in this forum goes) on bikes shall we, and understand our differences in perspective with the goal as “imagine(d)” by john lenon.]


Subject: FW: FW: US EMBASSY (True Story ) Way to go LOLO!

A 70 year old 'lolo' from the province was accompanied by his
grandson to the US Embassy in Manila for his VISA interview. The lolo spoke not a word of English so the grandson translated for him.

The consul told the young man to ask his grandfather why he wanted to go to the States. "Bakit daw ho ninyo gustong pumunta sa Amerika?" the
grandson translated. "Sabihin mo gusto kong makita yung mga anak ko doon." "He said he wants to see his children there."

Fair enough, that's what the lolo's application indicated. The consul had another question. "Ask him, why does he have to go there? Why can't his children just come and visit him here?" The grandson translated this in Tagalog. Lolo replied: "Sabihin mo kasi dito pinanganak yung mga anak ko. Nakita na nila ang Pilipinas. Gusto ko namang makita ang Amerika bago ako mamatay." Translation: "Tell him, my children were born here. They have seen the Philippines already. I just want to see America before I die."

The heartless consul was unimpressed as he declared, devoid of any emotion, that he was rejecting the visa application because the applicant was unable to speak a word of English.

"Reject daw yung visa ninyo kasi hindi daw kayo marunong mag-Ingles." The lolo was equally unimpressed. "Sabihin mo ito sa kanya at huwag mong papalitan ang sasabihin ko. ****** ina niya, bakit siya nandidito eh hindi naman siya marunong mag-Tagalog." Translated: "He said: you son of a bitch, how come you are here... you do not know how to speak in Tagalog."

Taken aback, sense of humor still intact, the consul relented and approved lolo's visa application pronto.

(Taken from The Philippine Star)

Tol Ed...:O.......... cool!!!!

Vince... You're the man!:punk:

Roy, Rick T. You two have a point.

........The decision we make in our lives are influenced by the factors that surrounds us. Thus, our view of the world will not be the same as the others, but at the end of the day we alone have to make that decision and live with the consequence.......

Ok ok ok..... Happy Pills are on me.
Whitebear, please pass them around, will yah? Cheers mate!

Originally posted by Rick T Reloaded
Hello Roy,
Maybe I should clarify myself...



I have three people close to me that are currently deployed in Iraq. They're not torturing people -- they're not tieing anyone up and laying them on the floor thrusting thick sticks into their mouths. They are my friends - an Air Force doctor and 2 of my fellow medics -- caring for our wounded as well as those of the Iraqis.

Caring for the Iraqis.....hmmmm what? after shooting at them.....hahahahaha......just playin.......anyway MORE YAWN.....

Woo Hoo! Its getting hot in here... So take off all your clothes..

Anyway, how do you guys explain the ongoing norm in the Philippines where poor people keep on having more children than those who are living within or above standard. They don't even think the future of their children. How are they gonna feed them? What about education? At the end of the day, they blame it to the Government...

Explain that...

Originally posted by fliprider_inc
Caring for the Iraqis.....hmmmm what? after shooting at them.....hahahahaha......just playin.......anyway MORE YAWN.....
Not sure where you are at your history. Where is Germany now after the Alies have devastated the country by countless bombing. Japan is the same way, 2 nukes was released - to end the war. I firmly believe the US did a good job in rebuilding Japan and Germany after the war - yes after they shot them.

Whitebear: I cannot give an answer based on books, news, or surveys. I will only share what I think and I have experienced.

I grew up in Manila but lived in the province for 3.5 yrs. During my yrs in living in the province, all I can think of is to have s@x. As I remember it, my stay was so boring and after 7pm all that is left to do is to play cards, hang out with grass lovin kids or watch TV. Rubber is far too expensive for me then. I just got lucky that I did not leave marks. I wasn't thinking of responsibilities, obligations or anything. When I came back to Manila at 15, lights were blinking everywhere, lots of malls to go, new people to meet and I was like a country rat that visited the city. My interest to s@x went down to 70:30 because of the blinking lights that facinated me. Then, I migrated here in Jpn, was also facinated by the blinking lights, got married and learned about responsibilities slowly. Maybe I have studied too much about the cost that it will take to raise a family making me a little bit too paranoid. Years after, I started my own business (small time/nothing fancy) and again this made me super paranoid knowing that if I fall, my family will fall down with me. This is the reason why we only have one son. I still enjoy having s@x but I can afford to buy rubbers now (cheap brand only). Too many things still facinates me, bikes, cars, business, girls, blinking lights, PS, PC and a lot more.
I don't believe that if my business falls down that I can take the blame on the government. What I plant is what I reap, and if I fall down the blame is on me. I'm a poor person, and I try to keep my responsibilities within realistic bounderies.

I hope that the gov't will create lots of affordable amusements especially in the rural areas. Maybe if I still live in the province, I'll be having lots of grandchildren now. I'm just a very simple person with a very simple way of thinking and I hope that no one will get offended. Peace brothers...

Whitebear..
I think those who are living within or above standard are too busy working to stay or better their positions. Whereas those are poor spare time in their hands that to have 'xes'. And since they are poor, they would rather spend their money on food than on jolly bags!!!:D

Ronnel..
Have you tried that new durex called 'performer'? Man.. it works! Das'all me can sey!:crazy:

senzali...
It is within the Geneva Convention for the winning side to rebuild the country after the war. I suppose, Pinas should wage war against the US so they will rebuild the country! :rolleyes:

As for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq? It is enevitable! Not because of the treat of terrorism, but the collapse of the economy. It has long been documented that the western worlds go into economic recession every ten years. In early 90's there was a war and the economy remained stable, early 2000's the same thing happened, again the economy remained stables.
Before this, every ten years there were recessions..
I wonder who's gonna get it in year 2010? North Korea? Siria? or any middle eastern Arab countries who oppose the western economy? Why not Pinas?
The Jews are playing 'shoot me' with the Palestinians in what is said to be the most holiest country in the world! Fer fook sake! Jews are not warriors, they are business people! And what are the western countries doing about it? Yeahhhh... Give the Jews more weapons of mass destructions! Why? Let me ask you this, who owns the big businesses in the western world?

This world has gone back to Barbarism... only in modern times.
Fook me!! not literally, thank you!:D, but can't we all just live happily irrespective of religious beliefs, colour or wealth? And just bury the past?

Do you know that 1GBP is = to 102.70PHP? Whereas before the war it was only 65PHP!!!
I'd better send me mum more money!:D

Modern society? Pahhh!!!! Modern way of killing!!!

Whitebear me old boy... pass me pills please, ta!:crazy:

Rick,
let me quote some one else.
"History is mostly stories nation and people tell about themelves,
if they choose to tell the truth they will let the national conscience free to flower into further greatness,
but if those stories are lies, they themselves have to suffer the consequences of those lies"
In a way the nation of united states is living a lie, and so do philippines by assossiation, please do not misunderstand me, as an individual i consider every filippino to be a gem, who can be emulated all over the world ,even your social and family set up is based on genuine warmth.
But, as a citizen the Filippino is flawed, one can see the reason if one look into the history of this country.Years of- i can say- Brutal occupation by the spanish , and later by the American , and the breif years of Japanese , have made its mark on the national psyche.It is an undeniable truth.
Rick you are proud that you are more of american than a Filippino, eventhough they consider people with asian features as subhuman, even call filippinos as monkeys, i have relatives who are in the US for a long time , some of them citizens of that country for long time.
The US air force is not the nation of United states, you will know after you retire.
You are fighting a futile war in iraq , in behalf of the oil cartels, US will also learn it lesson , say in 100 years as the british did in the 20th century.You think that you are going to make a difference in that place, if you look at the history of Babylonia , which is modern iraq, in all its 3000 year history , with out a strong central authority in bagdad the country had fallen into chaoes.Through out the history of that place , this have happened repeatedly.
I am not supporting saddam hussein or his deeds , but it is the people in a nation who should choose what form of govt that they will need
what will you feel if china some time in the future invade the US and institutionalise communist form of govt and say to the world that it is best for your place and ther people there?
Like hell it will happen right?

What makes a national conscience is its history.
The conscience of US is not clear.
YES I WOULD SAY no TO AN INVITATION FROM THE US
2years back i would have said yes.
BTW nice story Ed pascual.
a word about philippine history,
It is mostly written by American historians , so the views are distorted , yes there was a epifano de los santos. but he too lived in an era of philippine history when the influence of america in the Filippino psyche was very very influencial.
Hi there ronnel.
the govt have an importat role in the lives of every citizen , cos when we are living in a democratic country remember Abe Lincolns words, by the people of the people for the people, so a part of the blame of the state in which the country is in lies with the govt.
What if the govt is following policies which are not conductive to run a profitable business enterprise?

I am not antiamerican , have you heard of the expression frogs in puddles?
that is the situation of americans.
makes me feel sorry for them.

Evil Capitalist Oppressors!" -- ?
You said it

Anyway, how do you guys explain the ongoing norm in the Philippines where poor people keep on having more children than those who are living within or above standard.

It's not only in the Phil this is happening. Last night while talking to the baby sitter, she said that she had to drop off one of the kids @ their house which is a long ways from their place. Dropping off kids is not part of baby sitting so I asked why and she goes, the mom doesn't drive, has another baby and a bigger kid and she is pregnant. They have to take the bus to meet them @ their old place where they used to drop off the child. The sitter felt sorry so now she drive the kid straight to his home a lot further away and not get paid for it. The money is not the issue, driving time is. Seems like her sitting business just turned into a shuttle business. I don't think this is fair to her and to the other kids that's in their house.

The baby sitter only has 1 kid just like me.

Dr. Roy,
You gotta get out more... Your rant is further proof that the entire basis of your views is dependant of someone's "quote"or writings. You have not provide one example of how my "Evil" country has impacted you in such a way to so radically scew your views of the world.

Iraq? Futile? I'm sure the families of the thousands of those slain Iraqis (by Hussein himself) have a different point of view. How many email's a day do YOU personally get from the field providing a true account of what is happening? Hmmm? Ask me...

Rick you are proud that you are more of american than a Filippino, eventhough they consider people with asian features as subhuman, even call filippinos as monkeys, i have relatives who are in the US for a long time , some of them citizens of that country for long time

More American than Filipino (check in out... I can even SPELL it correctly)? Subhuman... monkeys? Doc -- you're hanging out with the wrong crowd bro'...

Where does this guy get this stuff...? :O

Oh and when I DO retire... I'm actually making it a point to visit India as one of my destinations (I'd like to do a lot of travelling)... and while I'm there, I'll buy you a beer and promise not to call you a subhuman, monkey-thingy creature... LMAO

:O :cheers:

Oh and yeah, if the US comes calling... you'd be living in Orange County, driving a fooking Mecedes around...

Seriously man... lighten up. Now, go pull some teeth...

HAHAHAHAHA......U GUYS ARE PURE JOKES......... Im glad I live up here....nobody bothers me.....for now anyway, I heard that Georgie is planning on attacking Canada, apparently we have hidden "WMD's" up here buried somewhere in the Yukon.......

"AMERICANS" Im calling upon you for help please liberate us the Canadian people from our oppressive liberal goverment. send the Brits too while your at it.

Ill be waiting for that time so I can pledge my allegiance to the Constitution of the U S of A...... so I can purchase my semi automatic and do it Columbine style!!!!

NO THANKS !!!!! I love my weed way too much to give this **** up! hahahaha

Peace!

know im sayin?

Marijuana legal in Ontario
by Dana Larsen and Reverend Damuzi (24 May, 2003) Appeal Court judge rules that Canada's pot-possession laws are void.


Now legal in Ontario
Marijuana advocates across Canada are celebrating a May 16 Ontario court decision, which effectively legalized possession in Canada's largest province.

On Friday, May 16, Ontario Superior Court Justice Steven Rogin upheld the lower court ruling of Justice Philips, concerning a case of pot possession in Ontario.......

click here for the full article ... http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2958.html

thanks gixxerg!

Peace!

fliprider,

Well, I do gotta thank you for a few things...

1. Cuban Cigars (my buddy up there sends me some from time to time)

2. Molson Beer (the only Canadian beer who's main ingredient isn't formaldehyde)

3. Whistler B.C. -- Fookin' the sweetest snowboarding and mountain biking there is... :I

4. Mike Meyers

5. Jim Carrey

And curse you for others:

1. "A power transmission from Canada is responsible for millions of U.S. citizens being the victims of the biggest "black-out" in history." BWAHAHAHA!! I can't back this up, but it's funny... :O

2. Moosehead Beer

3. Celine Dion

4. Alanis Morissette

5. The Toronto Maple Leafs

And lastly... Your Royal Canadian Mounties

Oh, and the stupid thing you guys put at the end of each sentence... Waduuup eh...

Now go back to work neighbor... (puff, puff, pass...) :D :I

Now THAT's what we need in this thread

PEACE PIPE!!!!!

Monster jo!nt, get the bong out. remember to pass the dutchie on the left hand side.


Rick,
I have some relative near Whistlers, I think I'll taste some of that snow after all. Oh but my sister no smokie.

fliprider_inc

Tu rasssss!!! Gissa spliff! Das'a big bombaclats!:crazy:

Originally posted by Rick T Reloaded
fliprider,

Well, I do gotta thank you for a few things...

YOU ARE WELCOME!!!! Formaldehyde eh?...better than your watered down beverage you Americans call BEER! hahahaha

And curse you for others:

1. "A power transmission from Canada is responsible for millions of U.S. citizens being the victims of the biggest "black-out" in history." BWAHAHAHA!! I can't back this up, but it's funny... :O

( THAT WAS CAUSED BY SOME POWER OUTAGE IN OHIO! BIATCH! READ THE GOD DAMN PAPER AND STOP LISTENING OR WATCHING YOUR CNN )

2. Moosehead Beer ( AGAIN BETTER THAN YOUR BUD! )

3. Celine Dion ( BLAME THE FRENCH! )

4. Alanis Morissette ( BLAME THE GANJA! )

5. The Toronto Maple Leafs ( WE ARE FIRST IN OUR DIVISION! READ THE GOD DAM PAPER! )

And lastly... Your Royal Canadian Mounties ( AT LEAST THEY DONT SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER ! )

Oh, and the stupid thing you guys put at the end of each sentence... Waduuup eh...
EH! THATS WHAT DISTINGUISH US FROM YOU, WE USE IT A LOT WHENEVER WE GO AND TRAVEL....CANADIANS DONT GET SHOT AT!

Now go back to work neighbor... (puff, puff, pass...) :D :I WHAT WORK? DONT NEED TO, MY GOVERMENT LOOKS AFTER ME PRETTY GOOD, THANK YOU KINDLY!

WITH LOVE
:I
YOUR FRIENDLY AND POLITE NEIGHBOURS TO THE NORTH

PEACE!

poor countries can laugh at themselves... rich countries do not and cannot. :D

Originally posted by fliprider_inc
WITH LOVE
:I
YOUR FRIENDLY AND POLITE NEIGHBOURS TO THE NORTH

PEACE!

Well, I do gotta thank you for a few things...

YOU ARE WELCOME!!!! Formaldehyde eh?...better than your watered down beverage you Americans call BEER! hahahaha

Bud is NOT beer. HAHAH!!! True dat...

And curse you for others:

1. "A power transmission from Canada is responsible for millions of U.S. citizens being the victims of the biggest "black-out" in history." BWAHAHAHA!! I can't back this up, but it's funny...

( THAT WAS CAUSED BY SOME POWER OUTAGE IN OHIO! BIATCH! READ THE GOD DAMN PAPER AND STOP LISTENING OR WATCHING YOUR CNN ) I said I can't back that up... read the post BIATCH... :I

2. Moosehead Beer ( AGAIN BETTER THAN YOUR BUD! ) Bro'... ANYTHING is better than Bud (but don't tell a NASCAR fan that...) :O

3. Celine Dion ( BLAME THE FRENCH! ) We all hate the French...

4. Alanis Morissette ( BLAME THE GANJA! ) Nope, she's all yours...

5. The Toronto Maple Leafs ( WE ARE FIRST IN OUR DIVISION! READ THE GOD DAM PAPER! ) That's why I curse you!! :I

And lastly... Your Royal Canadian Mounties ( AT LEAST THEY DONT SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER ! ) - Yeah they just choose to wear the GAY outfits...

Oh, and the stupid thing you guys put at the end of each sentence... Waduuup eh...
EH! THATS WHAT DISTINGUISH US FROM YOU, WE USE IT A LOT WHENEVER WE GO AND TRAVEL....CANADIANS DONT GET SHOT AT!
You OBVIOUSLY haven't been to Los Angeles - they shoot ANYONE. :g:banana: <--- "Hey guys... how do I get to Disney Land, eh...?"

Now go back to work neighbor... (puff, puff, pass...) WHAT WORK? DONT NEED TO, MY GOVERMENT LOOKS AFTER ME PRETTY GOOD, THANK YOU KINDLY!

Ahhhh Welfare... another MoooCH... :M

Now go sponsor a ricer show or something, or cash your gov't check... ya gotta pay for that Moosecrap Beer SOMEHOW... :cheers: :D

Latez...

HEHEHE.....

Not Welfare.....Workman"s Comp!

And who the PUCK wants to go to L A?

CHEERS! BRO, :g :i heres you shooting @ the world!

Peace!

Rick , to you all i am saying will seem like rant, it is becos you are infected with americam mediocrity,beliving in all the stupid propoganda all the stupid people who is governing you vomit out every day.
Try to think for yourself atleast once in a while.
Average american is unable to do that , cos as i mentioned earlier he is a frog in a puddle , the saddest thing is that every person is in his individual puddle.Even 'Bagdad George;'.
About Iraq, about 20 years back Americans were Mr husseins greatest friend and supporter,i have seen photos of 'Donald Dumbsfeld,' shaking his hand with Saddam.
Even supplied him with the latest military hardware, all to kill innocent iranians.
but who in US can remember things happened 20 years back? they have short memories. for them 25 years is like 25 centuries, -a country with no history to talk about.
let me see how many of the members here will enjoy being called monkeys,
do not tell me that you havent experienced racism in that heaven of yours.
and you are laughing at what i mentioned.
ok i will go and pull some teeth, while you go and shoot up some iraquis,
btw i already got a damn mercedes.

You don't get out much do you...? :D

You really outta stop watching the History Channel everyday.

:cheers: Moosehead Beer :cheers:

Over and Out ~
From Cheeky Monkey of Denver... :bouncy:

Rick T T BOY!!!

You hilarious.......PUCK! hahahaha