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nic
October 7th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Would an expensive dot/snell certified helmet offer more protection than a cheaper dot/snell certified helmet?
Coz between the two, the price difference can reach up to 10-15t and I'm just wondering if spending that extra money actually equates to more protection.

lex168
October 8th, 2006, 04:24 AM
DOT/SNELL is merely the minimum safety standard.

Besides, there is comfort, ventilation, noise isolation, aerodynamics, weight, additional features and others to consider.

kicker2
October 9th, 2006, 12:11 PM
i guess there is always a difference between the two other than the obvious cost difference...

if safety is the main issue, i guess an actual, genuine & warranted certification from DOT/SNELL is all there is to be aware of. though there are other safety-determining bodies out there, these 2 are the most respected. i think a cheapo but truly DOT/SNELL certified helmet that costs P500 can be as protective as the more expensive P15K helmets out there. i believe within a certain parameter of crash-pressure & impact-resistance level, these cheapos can survive, too. hence, they are certified safe. yun nga lang, there are many other considerations why, aside from the safety issue raised, they are more expensive.

oj88
October 9th, 2006, 12:25 PM
IMO, there's currently no such thing as a P500 helmet that is DOT+SNELL certified.

In fact, I'd be warry of helmets that are claiming to be DOT+SNELL certified if they cost less than P3K and were obviously made in Chinese sweatshops.

NSCB
October 9th, 2006, 03:26 PM
i agree with oj....i doubt if these P500 helmets even got DOT certified...much more Snell...

but as for comparing two helmets that both passed DOT/Snell certification, the difference in the price could be attributed to comfort and style....and the material used to manufacture the helmet.

kicker2
October 9th, 2006, 11:02 PM
i'd like to quote myself, "...i think a cheapo but truly DOT/SNELL certified helmet that costs P500 can be as protective...".

that is just a metaphor. the stress is highlighted. the price is purely allegorical so we can compare helmets being truly DOT/SNELL certified regardless of them being expensive or cheap.

no pun intended there... and am sorry if the P500 tag came in misleading. i could have made it P5,000 though :D

NSCB
October 10th, 2006, 10:29 AM
ikaw naman bro kicker...nagtampo kaagad...sure if there's a truly DOT certified helmet which is sold for only P500...that would be a good deal....the price is not considered when a helmet is certified.

i guess what i meant to say was...the P500 helmets being sold in the market, though they have DOT stickers are nothing but imitation helmets and are not really certified.

oj88
October 10th, 2006, 12:53 PM
It's still not absolute that a P3K DOT+SNELL helmet is as safe as a P22K DOT+SNELL helmet. More expensive ones are known to exceed the specs defined by DOT, SNELL or even ECE.

Also, we're dismissing one important factor that can have an effect on safety; Rider Comfort. For instance, if a cheap DOT+SNELL helmet has poor cooling, heavy, poor anti-fog properties and generally uncomfortable, this can be a trigger for an accident.

Remember that these certifications are just the minimum standards for helmet manufacturers to adhere to. It should not stop you from buying the most expensive helmet that you can afford.

Rene Ybardolaza
October 10th, 2006, 01:27 PM
Not many of us are helmet experts. Is a helmet worth five times the cost of another be five times safer? Maybe three times safer..... or twice. Who knows? Maybe we can all agree that not all helmets are created equal no matter the price.

Personally, I look at the helmet as protection for the most valuable part of my body. This is not one of the safety equipment where I would want to pinch my budget. Yes, the big head is more important than the little head. If my budget is limited, I would use the big head to do some research to find out what helmet I can get with my limited resources. That way, I get to choose the helmet that provides the highest protection I can afford.

Ride smart.

aerosmith9110
October 10th, 2006, 03:14 PM
sabi nga sa post sa baba dot/snell are the min requirements.... ex. China made brand cost 2t passed the dot/snell let say the score of 75% let say is passing just barely... but the High end model cost around 25t has passed the snell/dot test but has a score of 99% so for me the High end brand is much safer... plus also you pay for the "Extra" for the high end helment usually for the R&D, Materials and not to mention the BRAND... :)

Payon Hunter
October 10th, 2006, 03:45 PM
lets put it this way , bakit mahal ang jaguar xk at mura ang kia rio pero pareho sila ng category at parehong pasado sa international safety standard? hindi lang naman safety standard ang pinagbabatayan ng presyo ng isang product.
may ilang company na sadyang itinataas ang price nila kasi may target market sila, d baling kakaunti maging buyer nila basta upper class lang.

jbinueza
October 10th, 2006, 04:57 PM
cheap vs expensive helmet: but both DOT/Snell...
My opinion, I go for the cheaper one because it is still DOT and Snell certified.
FYI, it did not say in the first place that the cheaper one is not comfortable to wear, doesn't have air vents, heavy, etc. see the point? So why settle for the expensive one?
Here is the catch, maybe if the argument was cheap DOT/Snell helmet: not comfortable to wear, doesn't have air-vents, heavy, poor aerodynamic design VS expensive DOT/Snell helmet: very comfortable, has air vents, great aerodynamic design, lighter weight ...now, that would have been a clear choice.
(it's like choosing a branded toothpaste over a locally-made toothpaste but both PDA approved hmm, just like that eh?)
:)

ride safe

v22
October 10th, 2006, 05:45 PM
my vote is still witht he more expensive.. if i can afford it :D

i had a shoei RF helmet before DOT/SNELL approved, and god was it heavy!! and damn hot on sunny days. then i tried out a friend's helmet (forgot the brand and model, but its still DOT/SNELL rated) and damn it was sooo light! and it felt waay cooler than my shoei....

so IMO, aside from safety.. comfort is also big factor in choosing a helmet :)

Payon Hunter
October 10th, 2006, 06:28 PM
for me suomy is a good helmet, magaan, maliit at di masyadang palasak. :)

kompressor
October 10th, 2006, 06:50 PM
It's not the safety that separates the cheaper DOT/SNELL approved helmets from the more expensive ones but the features.

Some things to consider that add to the price of manufacturing and selling helmets:
1. Advertising and endorsements - of course MotoGP based helmets are expensive and we know why
2. Ventilation - some helmets are cheap but hot. Some expensive but well ventilated
3. Noise - cheaper helmets tend to be noisy as far as wind noise is concerned
4. Face shields - adding anti-fog treatments can add up to the cost. Are the shields replaceable? Do the shields fit snugly when closed? Can you easily remove the shields by moving/pressing a lock or do you have to use a screwdriver? Are the shield gaskets snug fit? Does water seep in when raining?
5. Linings - helmets with removable liners are of course, more expensive. the materials used for linings are also to be considered. Better foams, non allergic cloth, etc.... you pay for comfort
6. WEIGHT - again, because of the materials used. Try carrying or wearing a genuine carbon-fiber helmet and you'll see why it's more expensive.
7. Design/appearance - of course, plain colored helmets are cheaper than the ones with graphics. It's much easier painting plain helmets in the manufacturing process.


If you have the budget, find the best helmet that fits you. If limited, then there are cheaper alternatives available that won't compromise safety. After all, safety is the first thing to consider in buying a lid.


Just my 2 pisotas na wala nang mabili.

Beho
October 10th, 2006, 09:55 PM
How about the NOLAN helmet? the yellow one na modular cost 14k or 15k?
ill go for the trusted brand. Pero it depends naman siguro sa impact nung rider pag nag crash ka.:) :)

agentsky
October 11th, 2006, 12:37 AM
For me i'll go for the cheaper one. Why cause it offers the same level of safety kaya lang naman masmahal yung iba dahil sa advertisment nila at kilala na yung brand nila sa upper class... parang sa computer company yan eh example ASUS motherboards mahal kasi my pangalan at kilala ng upper class market so hindi sila pwede magbenta ng mura dahil baka sabihin ng mga customer nila na nabawasan yung quality ng gawa nila so the best way nagagawin nila is gumawa ng sister company na magbebenta ng mas mua na motherboar kaya mero ngayong Asrock the quality still the same pero cheaper the cost...

arwin_ActionHob
October 11th, 2006, 12:50 AM
if the price of cheap dot/snell lid is twice to the expensive one...

ill go for the cheap, get two different color - - - > compare to the expensive ISA LANG magagamit kong helmet :)

summary both of them haved DOT and/or SNELL standard, wais ini :)

@rthur
October 12th, 2006, 12:19 PM
yun zeus ba dot/snell certified?
nagiipon ako para sa new helmet e :D

raf
October 12th, 2006, 10:17 PM
Zeus helmet is DOT/SNELL certified, visit this site for more info
http://www.zeus-helmets.com/

jojoMITO
October 13th, 2006, 08:17 AM
Compare an INDEX helmet to a ZEUS helmet side by side. Check out the paddings, the paint finish, the shell construction. IBA TALAGA!!! ang layo. ZEUS is superior...... just an example. :)

as the saying goes "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!"

Vmax
October 13th, 2006, 09:44 AM
Zeus helmet is DOT/SNELL certified, visit this site for more info
http://www.zeus-helmets.com/


I'm not aware that ZEUS is SNELL certified. I have 2 ZEUS 508s and they both say DOT only. In any case, except for the wind noise, I am very happy with my helmets. I use earplugs when riding anyway. And they are priced so reasonably in my opinion.

This link may help.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/zeus-helmet/zeus-helmet.htm

oj88
October 13th, 2006, 12:11 PM
The Zeus 508 is of modular design and compared to a non-modular full-face helmet, the chin mechanism presents a weak point. In fact, modular helmets must be treated as a half-face helmet.

If it's of comfort, none of the modular helmets got the SNELL certification, even from well-known and expensive helmet makers.

On the other hand, there are a couple of Zeus full-face models that passed the cert. Namely, Zeus 903 and 905. These models passed the SNELL M2000 and M2005 certifications, respectively.

driedmango
October 13th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Sir, how much (range) po yung full face helmet ng zeus?

kicker2
October 13th, 2006, 06:25 PM
ikaw naman bro kicker...nagtampo kaagad...sure if there's a truly DOT certified helmet which is sold for only P500...that would be a good deal....the price is not considered when a helmet is certified.

i guess what i meant to say was...the P500 helmets being sold in the market, though they have DOT stickers are nothing but imitation helmets and are not really certified.


oist, di ah?! :eek:

'kaw talaga... :D

hehehe... me bago ako helmet! tsaka si Arbee!

driedmango
March 29th, 2008, 03:54 AM
Up Up Up! Pagusapan ulit natin ang tungkol sa mamahalin at mumurahing helmet pero parehong dot and snell certified.

act2000
March 29th, 2008, 08:23 AM
If a helmet passes the standards -- dot, snell, ece etc.... then it should be good. As far as the price is concerned -- well -- Its just in the name, imo.

kinergy
March 29th, 2008, 08:40 AM
if budget would allow syempre mas high end.kasi mas marami siyang pros and extra features kaya siya mahal. pero kung sa safety depende pa rin sa pagkaka aksidente.lets say your wearing a 5k helmet tapos kumalat ka, slide pero not that hard.siyempre kaya pa ng helmet yun.on other hand suot mo naman 15k+ helmet.head on kayo ng truck.and vice versa. depende talaga eh.

RonM
March 29th, 2008, 09:02 AM
if the bigger names in helmets didn't spend that much in advertisement and sponsorships the price between helmets like index would not be that great. index is about 1,500, I think, and compare to a shoei. i know the more expensive product has a better quality but a 20k or so price difference is too much.

juan_antonio
March 29th, 2008, 10:48 AM
kung may pera, buy the expensive one. :)

Kaizen
March 29th, 2008, 11:06 AM
a case of... You get what you pay for.

The extra costs justify the added bells and whistles.

But if your budget is tight, you can buy a decent helmet AND riding gears na.

dude_pare01
March 29th, 2008, 11:12 AM
index na orig DOT approved lang...daming china imitation ng index,delikado un

mag HJC na lang kau...DOT/SNELL approved for 3500 petot..cl-14 nila..tested ko na...limang ikot sa kaslada ginawa ko..buo pa helmet...ako kalas kalaas...joke!:D

Payon Hunter
March 29th, 2008, 11:46 AM
buying ultra expensive helmet lalo na yun magandang graphix eh parang buying a sport car or modelong bigbike... pag suot mo di mahihiwasang pagtinginan ka ... head turner kung baga :)

MC HAMMER
March 29th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Kung may pera ka bili ka syempre ng magandang helmet syempre mahal din yan.

para ding sa motor yan...

Kung may pera ka ay bili ka syempre ng magandang motor syempre mahal din yan.

Gulo noh.

Basta ang importante ay isinusuot sa ulo ang helmet (mamahalin man o hindi) hindi sa ibabaw ng gastank or sa siko.

MC HAMMER
March 29th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Eto pala some tips when buying a helmet:

Fit is vital – a helmet must fit properly to be effective, and not all helmets fit the same. A good fitting helmet should rest one inch above your eyebrows and shouldn’t roll forward or sideways on your head. To ensure a comfortable fit, wear a helmet for 15 minutes before making a final buying decision.

They don’t last forever – manufacturers and the SNELL Foundation recommend helmets be replaced every three to five years, depending on use. Glues, resins and other helmet materials break down over time and can make a helmet less effective. Every new Harley-Davidson helmet comes with a "purchased on date" sticker that can be placed under the comfort liner for a quick reference.

Keep it clean – a clean and well cared for helmet will protect better and longer. Use a mild soap to wash the outer shell and internal liners. Never use solvents or chemicals for cleaning as they can destroy protective coatings.

Mirrors are not hangers – hanging a helmet on a motorcycle’s mirror can damage the impact absorbing liner inside.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc211/GUARDDOG_2007/Funny_Skull_Motorcycle_Helmet_4w.jpg

cycleplanet
April 9th, 2008, 12:25 PM
hi , dot or snell approvals are very easy for a helmet factory to obtain its a very basic helmet test , if your looking for serious approval check helmets which have ECER22.05 this is a better and harder for companies to get , even harder is a british ACU gold stamp approval. There is a low cost helmet in philippines which has ecer approval and which is available in manila the brand is ARC but to keep the cost down its only available in black colour

kanuto123
April 9th, 2008, 12:57 PM
i go for the higher ones.... or yung kaya ng budget....

one thing i consider in buying a helmet is : brand(mahirap compromise yung ulo ko kung hindi kilalang helmet ang suot ko), comfort (syempre dapat comfortable ulo mo walang preassure point),weight(mas magaan mas maganda...nakakangalay yung mabigat at dodoble pa yung bigat nito habang tumakbo na yung bike),design and aerodynamic(less wind noise masakit sa tenga nakaka disorient,windbreaker ika nga), vents (since mainit dito sa pinas), warranty (incase na mangalas ngalas yung mga air vents,mga foams,or other factory defffects ,etc. madaling palitan), parts availability,mga special features at cyempre yung light ang kulay para mabilis makita sa dilim.....

commander007ph
April 9th, 2008, 01:28 PM
pag medyo tight budget ok lang ung cheap but DOT approved helmet and gears.

mandon
April 13th, 2008, 07:23 PM
sa palagay ko eh ang pagkakaiba eh yun material na gamit
lets say 2 helmet parehong snell and dot pero yun isa mas mahal
bukod sa name na dinadala nun mas mahal eh malamang eh carbon fiber yun material or some other exotic material....and malamang mas mabigat yun mura....

i got two helmets...yun isa mura pero popular brand and the other one is di maxado kilala sa atin pareho ng certification...mas preferred ko yun mas mahal...mas maganda...comfortable ang fit, saka di maingay....

VASILI
April 13th, 2008, 07:33 PM
ang index ba mga si eh snell/ dot certified?

spyder,zeus yan certified

garyboy_palaboy
April 14th, 2008, 02:22 PM
ang index ba mga si eh snell/ dot certified?

spyder,zeus yan certified


duda ako sa INDEX....kahit yung mga gawang Thailand. ZEUS ok pa.


yan nga rin ang isang dis-advantage ng ZEUS, malakas ang naririnig kong hangin at high speeds. parang pumapasok sa ilalim ng helmet.

ill buy a better helmet, probably SHARK or NOLAN.

pero naghahanap ako ng paraan para magkaroon ng REEVU.

in my opinion, mas magandang suriin maigi ang helmet. meron kasing mga naglipanang mga peke na items, maaring ang sinasabing helmet mga DOT o SNELL din.

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