i would like to call the attention of everyone.my friend riding his yamaha mio met an accident.he was wearing this half face zeus helmet with clear face shield.instead of the helmet protecting him, it even made his injuries worse.the face shield shattered leaving jagged edges that eventually cut his face under the nose to the right ear.the helmet shell, instead of absorbing the impact, collapsed on his head and became impossible to remove.the outer shell broke in several areas and created other sharp points which punctured my friends head and required major surgery.the helmet was eventually removed by the doctors by cutting it in half.all this happened because of a simple front wheel slide.his speed was about 70kph.and my friend did not hit any major object, he just rolled on the pavement.i am not in any way trying to destroy the image and credibility of zeus helmets.but i am wondering what if the accident was worse?can that helmet really protect our head?my friend has no other major injuries except for bruises and wounds around his body.i know for a fact that nothing can completely protect us from all kinds of accidents.but this was a simple one and the helmet failed to protect my friend's head and even contributed to his injuries.i advise everyone to be very careful in buying protective gear.some of them do not really protect us and just gives us a false sense of security.

pare so sad to hear your friends story:eek: ...hope his ok now?..?:nuts:

sinabi mo pa,kahit sa mga protective gears mahirap na magtiwala.akalain you pati zeus??..meron na din kasing reputasyon name nito.na diss appoint lang ako,gusto ko din kasi bumili ng modular ng zeus e..:L
kaya lang wala pa budget...

anyways...safe ride always mga repa piips!!...

pare so sad to hear your friends story:eek: ...hope his ok now?..?:nuts:

sinabi mo pa,kahit sa mga protective gears mahirap na magtiwala.akalain you pati zeus??..meron na din kasing reputasyon name nito.na dissappoint lang ako,gusto ko din kasi bumili ng modular ng zeus e..:L
kaya lang wala pa budget...

anyways...safe ride always mga repa piips!!...

nakalabas na sya sa hospital.but i dont think he will be able to ride anytime soon.as for the helmet,yun nga mahirap e.sana kung barya lang presyo ng mga yon.kaso hindi.i am not saying hwag na natin bilhin.dapat nga lang alam natin limit ng binibili natin.i know d lahat kaya bumili ng arai, shoei, agv, etc. pero kung pag iipunan na rin lang yung cgurado na para d sayang pera.

let this be a warning to all!!! wag magpadala sa murang presyo o sa magandang itsura o sa uso wag basta-basta maniniwala sa certification(DOT,SNELL)
"its easy to claim that they are certified even they are NOT!"
INVEST ON YOUR HEAD DYAN NAKASALALAY ANG INYONG SEGURIDAD!

Sad to hear about your friend. Hope he recovers soon.

This is really quite disturbing news, being a Zeus Helmet user myself. I've initiated a move and emailed the distributor and manufacturer and let them know about this incident. I would suggest you guys also do the same.

I would really like to hear what they have to say.

Para sa aking pananaw lang ha, kung full face sna yung gamit nya
bka nman hindi ganun ang mangyari, sa full face kasi most probably
yung impact nsa bandang nguso kung una mukha ang bagsak mo
pero sa half face ksi pag una mukha mo talagang yung lens ang unang
tatama at syempre nadun ang lahat ng impact at tlgang mababasag
ng matindi yun that's why for me its not advisable yung mga half face helmet
...just my opinion!

pegs, can you post the model number of the zeus helmet that your freind was wearing?

the accident shattered the shield and collapsed the helmet. That kind of impact would have most certainly killed your freind if he wasnt wearing a helmet!

Helmets are designed to collapse upon impact. That is how they dissipate the impact energy that would otherwise do more damage to your head.
IMO a helmets job is to save lives rather than to protect you from cuts and bruises, so the half face zeus helmet that peg's freind was using during the accident did its job and saved his life :)

There is no doubt that full face helmets offer better protection, but half face helmets are better than no helmet at all. I think Zeus helmets are very well made for their price, and ill continue to use my open and flip up zeus helmets .

tuxster, thats a good idea e-mailing the maufacturer, they might be able to improve thier product and we'll all benefit from that :)

The hard outer shell isn't really design to collapse, it dissipates the energy of the impact on your head.

The EPS foam liner under the shell is there to absorb any energy that makes it past the shell and allow the head to decelerate safely, reducing the chance of external & internal head injury.

The next section is the comfort liner, which assures a snug fit on the rider's head for comfort and safety. Too tight and the helmet will give you MIGRANES, too loose and it can rotate on your head obscuring vision and potentially cause an accident.

The retention strap keeps it on your head, a snug fit is is best.

The final bit is the face sheild, which keeps foreign objects from embedding themself in your eyes.

But like what R-1 said, the helmet is not expect to survive a crash, since it is designed to protect the rider.

It is surprising to hear this happen.:eek::eek::eek: I checked the website a few months ago and learned that ZEUS is SNELL (M2000), DOT, ECE (22.05), AS, NBR, JIS, CNS & SS rated. With these ratings in mind, I'd like to know more about the circumstances about the accident.
Helmet model, condition, any damage from previous crashes?

A lot of riders don't replace thier helmets after a hard knock, I'm not saying that was the case here, but before any sweeping judgements be made, get the facts, evaluate them and make a decision. :):):)

dib shatterproof ang lens na DOT helmet (di maba2sag)it appear na prang glass yung helmet nun. pwede bng mag-post ka ng picture nung after accident nung helmet

as far as i know, good quality helmets, yung glass nila does not shatter to become pointed ones that can rupture the face of the rider...

:rolleyes: tsk..tsk..so sorry to hear this sad news...

i know that helmets were made for the purpose of absorbing the force of impact when you crash...and sometimes better materials would spell a big difference when a particular accident like this is unavoidable.

pero....i'm just wondering how come yung clear visor nya e naging jagged edge para lalong makapagbigay ng pinsala...

..how old was the helmet? some helmets needs to be replaced every 2 to 5 years depending on the manufacturer's conditions.(kahit alang nangyari sa helmet during those periods)
..had the helmet been dropped on street,floor, or pavement before? if yes dapat di nato ginagamit
..the helmet,what is it made of...high grade abs plastic? kevlar? carbon fiber?
..how about the visor lens? is it a polycarbonate lens?

it's difficult to judge how a good helmet is, unless the helmet had undergone this kind of ordeal.

lots of factors needs to be considered:

-the manner how the accident happened and how the helmet was able cope.
-would it had been a better protection for him if he was wearing a full face version.
-if he was using a more expensive lid, would it make a big difference?

the problem is, not all accidents, when they happen, are always the same.

some would be a mild,others worse.

kaya it's difficult to gauge kung hanngang saan ang kayang ibigay na protection ng helmet na nabili natin..ke mura o mahal man yung presyo nung helmet..

but the purpose of wearing a helmet would always provide us with better protection for our heads,compared of not wearing any...


...praying for pegs' friend quick recovery

the local distributor of the zeus helmet should be informed and they need to investigate this matter...especially the quality of the visor.

Hmm.. the thought of that visor shattering and cutting up my face gives me second thoughts about my open face helmet :?

BTW, visit the link below, they have high praises for zeus helmets, but in this case its a flip-up model.
here's a quote from the site: " Apparently, I have a lot in common with Zeus owners. Zeus fans share a secret -- they own the best motorcycle helmet bargain in the universe!"

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/zeus-helmet/zeus-helmet.htm

Mga Pro Rider;

Additional Information...Whenever you buy a helmet, Please check the Safety Specification Rating...Modular, Half Face Helmet safety rating is less compare to a full face helmets... It was design to use for snowmobile and street trendy bike runing at 50kph max speed...

Regardless of Brands (Shoei, Arai, Bell etc...) all can protect you, if you are wise to chose the right model in a specific condition...

Bro. Pegs! Supposed your friend before the accident use a half face/modular shoei helmet! the time he got the same accident! do you think he will not suffer the same medical condition? just think the scenario... 70kph speed using a half face helmet! wow

Mga Bro,
Heres a complete lists of Snell Certified M2000 Motorcycle Helmets as of Feb. 15, 2006. See if your helmet is on the lists, otherwise select from the lists which is cheaper to buy here in the phils. I have HJC CL-33 half face - not on the lists and HJC CL-14 full face - which on the lists. Now I'm thinking of selling my non-snell certified helmet and buy a certified one....Here's the link http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_M2000.html

share ko lng information about shatter proof, it means hindi k masisilaw sa ilaw ng kasalubong mo dhil na lelessen nya yung liwanag ng lights. lahat ng visor lens n shatter proof or hindi nababasag po.

Just a word of warning to all brothers out there....

Yesterday I was at quiapo (Raon area). There are a lot of sidewalk vendors selling imitation "INDEX" helmets. I was browsing around the paninda, when one tindera dropped one full-face "index" helmet. After she picked it up, there was a noticeable crack (single color lang kaya madali nahalata). Nung pinuna nung isang buyer saying "Miss, may crack na yung helmet", she said "hindi problema, palitan natin yan". Sheesh. if just dropping the helmet on the street creates a crack, paano pa kaya on the streets when you're wearing it????????

Just a thought mga bro, Please, wag kayong bumili sa mga ganun, maski sila'y "dirt cheap".......

As I've said, I'm also a Zeus Helmet user. Before I bought mine, did a thorough research on helmets. One of the sites I visited was Webbikeworld, you can read up on the topic here http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-helmets/ece-22-05.htm. After reading up on the topic about Motorcycle Helmet Standards, this did help me in deciding to make the purchase of my Zeus Full Face Helmet.

I think Zeus helmets are reliable. It may be because he was too fast (at 70kph) and the helmet (open face model) was not really designed for that kind of speed, I think.

As what our brother posted, you can verify if your helmet is really DOT/SNELL certified on that said link or http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_M2000.html visit it nalang.

Again just what our other brothers who are always reminding us, buy snug fit, genuine or DOT/SNELL approved helmets and better buy standard or full-face helmet.

For DOT Standard, visit/click the link below.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/571.218.htm

Yes, I agree that the helmet served its purpose...it prevented further damage to the wearer. The problem with some of us riders here in the Philippines is we have to blame someone or something for accidents like this. But they didn't cross to the idea of "what if he wasn’t wearing a helmet?" ... imagine what happened to the helmet...both visor and shell shattered. I know people wearing Zeus helmet had accident more than 70kph. one of them riding a underbone bike doing a 100kph and had an accident...he was thrown at the side walk hitting rock and the cement....nothing happened to his head...I cant say the same on what happened to his arms...bones in his arms had to be screwed together by metal plates. Another one wearing a half face helmet doing 80kph when a truck suddenly u-turned...he went to the brakes like crazy but he was too fast and made the bike endo and hit the truck...the rider hitting face first and then rolled to the pavement. What happened to the visor? Scratches only on the visor but the front of the bike were shattered. I own a Zeus helmet and I refuse to believe that I bought a lemon.. I bought this because it was highly recommended by bikers here.

Sorry for your friend peg, i hope he recover soon.

Live to Ride, Ride to Live!


Big Daddy G

maraming factors to consider especially like the technique how to fall..

and most important of all at 70KPH?? chief, medyo mabilis na yun... factors like the type of tire used... riding skill.... these are few factors to consider...

honestly, my speed is 40kph... +/- 5kph only... ke maluwag pa kalsada.... mahirap na... kahit na balot na balot ako ng gears.....:D with that speed i still met some spills pero never pang pumalo ulo sa kalsada.... joe R jackets. gloves and knee/shin guard lang ang tumatama :D

i pray your friend's speedy recovery!!

i believe the helmet protected your buddies head...but still you questioned the things that happened...but before you judge the helmet try to know the things that happende first to the helmet. take note of the warnings and how to take care of the helmet. there are things that are listed in there that may cause not so obvious damage to the shell...like, stickers or decals. they damage the shell of the helmet. wax also damage the helmet. any oil based cleaner can damage the helmet. a 1m drop may also damage the helmet and may render it useless...and the manual also describes the damage as little bitty cracks that are not obvious to the eye.

i own a zeus modular helmet and i know that when the time comes, my helmet won't survive but hopefully protecting my head before it does give up...once the helmet served its purpose, kailangan iretire na siya.

i would like to call the attention of everyone.my friend riding his yamaha mio met an accident.he was wearing this half face zeus helmet with clear face shield.instead of the helmet protecting him, it even made his injuries worse.the face shield shattered leaving jagged edges that eventually cut his face under the nose to the right ear.the helmet shell, instead of absorbing the impact, collapsed on his head and became impossible to remove.the outer shell broke in several areas and created other sharp points which punctured my friends head and required major surgery.the helmet was eventually removed by the doctors by cutting it in half.all this happened because of a simple front wheel slide.his speed was about 70kph.and my friend did not hit any major object, he just rolled on the pavement.i am not in any way trying to destroy the image and credibility of zeus helmets.but i am wondering what if the accident was worse?can that helmet really protect our head?my friend has no other major injuries except for bruises and wounds around his body.i know for a fact that nothing can completely protect us from all kinds of accidents.but this was a simple one and the helmet failed to protect my friend's head and even contributed to his injuries.i advise everyone to be very careful in buying protective gear.some of them do not really protect us and just gives us a false sense of security.

Good to hear that your friend is alive! With that Zeus half-face helmet experience(from your story), i can say that orig Index half-face helmet are better. A friend fell from large bike downhill wearing only an Index half-face, It protected his head part so well as compared to that Zeus half face.

Good to hear that your friend is alive! With that Zeus half-face helmet experience(from your story), i can say that orig Index half-face helmet are better. A friend fell from large bike downhill wearing only an Index half-face, It protected his head part so well as compared to that Zeus half face.


Your friend fell from a large bike downhill? WOW? did he survived that fall? what did he landed on? did the rider fell face first or hand/arm first? like what i said...there are many factors to consider.

Later,


BIg Daddy G

70 kph is fast na for a spill, especially since he was wearing half face, actually, i think the helmet did save him, kse imagine if he wasn't wearing any? i had already encountered a head first spill before, last november, although I was wearing a modular helmet (KAZ brand - no DOT stcikers) kaskas ang mukha ko sa semento habang nag skid, kung naka half face lang ako, cgurado ako, burado ang mukha ko... i was traveling at aroung 40kph lang nung mag skid ang gulong ko (it was raining, umiwas ako sa lubak)... yung helmet ko, puro gasgas ang visor, yung buong katawan ko, masakit, especially my knees.... ayun, pinag retire ko na yung helmet ko, pero laking pasalamat ko sa kanya.... right now, im using na a ZEUS 508w.... kaya as much as possible, use full face or modular helmets.

Mga Bro Tanx For All The Reply.i Wil Try This Weekend To Get Pictures Of The Helmet In Question So That You Guys Can See For Yourself The Problems It Created.let Me Make It Clear, I Am Not Singling Out Zeus Helmets. My Friend Could Have Been Wearing Another Brand And I Will Still Report It Here So That We May Know And Be Prepared.i Will Try To Answer A Few Questions Raised. First,my Friend Did Survive.but A Lot Of His Injuries Now Were Caused By The Helmet.wala Syang Broken Shoulder Or Anything Else.he Needs An Operation On The Head Specifically To Repair The Areas Were The Helmet Shell Entered His Skull.secondly, I Dont Think 70 Kph Is Too Fast For The Helmet To Perform Its Duties.pag Isipan Nyo, Sa Totoo Lang Bale Wala Kesyo Underbone Man O Big Bike Ang 70kph D B? Yet The Helmet Failed.and Let Me Add This Is Not A Case Of Multiple Impacts.isang Impact Lang Then Slide.third, U Guys Are Correct, If My Friend Was Using A Full Face Helmet The Outcome Would Have Been Different.the Helmet In Question Is New.it Has Never Been Dropped Or Had Any Form Of Accident Before It.if You Guys Are A Fan Of Moto Gp You Probably Now Of Shinya Nakano's Crash In Mugello Travelling At Over 300kph.the Helmet Did Not Collapse On His Head.the Shield Seperated From The Shell And Did Not Shatter.his Helmet Was An Arai.he Was Taken To The Hospital Later But Raced Again 1 Week Later.i Know The Factors May Be Different.but This Is A Very Good Example Of What We Call A Tested Product.my Main Reason For Bringing This Out Here Is For Us To Realize Not Everything Is As Advertised.be Aware Of What You Buy.be Conscious Of The Risks You Are Taking If You Opt To Buy A Certain Brand Of Helmet.

What I personally know is half face helmets are good for city driving...so what is the ideal city driving speed? 40-50kph? Now 70 kph with half face helmet...that is mad. You said he doesn’t have any broken anything...so you mean he slammed head first? so that means the helmet absorbed a 70 kph impact plus the weight of the rider...hmmm? Also what is the road condition? Can you tell us which road did the accident happened or much better the exact location where he fell? Maybe we can make an investigation ourselves. Also, do all helmet makers guarantee the safety of the wearer? This I am not sure...can you help with this one guys? What I know is they claim that they are DOT, Snell and ECE 22.05 certified...and these certifying bodies do not fully guarantee the total safety of the wearer. What I know that they guarantee is that it will increase the chance of preventing the wearer from having further injuries.

“Sa Totoo Lang Bale Wala Kesyo Underbone Man O Big Bike Ang 70kph D B?” - yes, you have a point there…70kph is 70kph…mabilis pa rin yun.

Well, I have a Zeus visor here that I have replaced recently…maybe I’ll try to test it. Maybe throw something or smash it with a bat or something. Let us see if it shatters.


Later,

Big Daddy G

Tsk tsk... so sad to hear that news. Only full-face helmets are certified by either DOT or SNELL as far as I know. Remember that certification doesn't rely on the brand. There are zeus helmets that are certified, some are not. Use only full-face helmets and nothing else. Please read the helmet articles in my website (link below) for more info about this.

I know 2 people who crashed wearing zeus full face helmet. The helmet & lens only got minor sctratches. One rider went down face 1st. doing around 90kph. only had to have a few stitches on his eyebrow & chin. If he was wearing a half face it could have been fatal.
half face helmets are recomended for city riding only. If youre gonna go fast, you have to wear a fullface helmet. On any helmets , regardless of brand there is a warning label that says "no protective head gear can protect the wearer under all forseable impacts". You cannot blame the helmet....you're freind is lucky he was wearing a helmet, without the helmet it could have been more severe or fatal. Imagine him wearing other cheap brands like SAFE, LEVIN, INDEX, etc....then the outcome could have been WORSE. I've noticed most riders prefer to spend alot on their rides & take for granted their safety gears...........thats a BIG MISTAKE!

I prefer open face helmets because they are cooler during hot weather. They are also lighter and have a wider angle of vision.

But because of the accident that pegs described Ill now wear my fullface/flip-up helmet when the weather is cooler, and ride slower when im using my half face helmet :)

) i can say that orig Index half-face helmet are better. A friend fell from large bike downhill wearing only an Index half-face, It protected his head part so well as compared to that Zeus half face.



perhaps it was because he landed on soil since it's downhill? right? big difference on pavement.

index and zeus build quality is very similar, i still prefer zeus, not only since its known but it has the DOT marked on it, while index has none....

I read the story. No matter what happened to your friend, the helmet still did its job. Minalas na lang talaga siya sa face shield thingy because it hit the pavement. You can't blame the helmet.


Given the circumstance, do you have an idea what may have happened you your friend if he was wearing a cheapo helmet or none at all? That was impact at 70kph. It's not an ordinary spill.

share ko lng information about shatter proof, it means hindi k masisilaw sa ilaw ng kasalubong mo dhil na lelessen nya yung liwanag ng lights. lahat ng visor lens n shatter proof or hindi nababasag po.Sorry, sir.....but i think you misunderstood what shatterproof means......it has nothing to do with lights or optics........it is the characteristic of the visor/lens being resistant to shattering or splintering even on any amount of impact & force.....




BTW....i do have a half face helemt too.....this eventuality brings shiver to my spine.

baka scatterproof ?so it dosent scatter the light? :D
pwede rin scratchproof o scratch resistant :)
kasi pag dami na scratches talagang ma blinded ka ng kasalubong mong headlights.

I used to have the full face levin helmet and even a p300 helmet (kuripot me) but i dont use them any more and might donate them to riders wihtout helmets because any helmet is better than no helmet at all.

I now use my zeus and hjc helmets.

Mga Sirs,

DOT Snell certified etc bla blas kpag taiwan brand or any asia made helmets hindi ako gagamble. Dapat alam nating lahat na first and foremost sa pagbili ng MC kasama dapat here ang reliable na safety gears, marami kasi akong nakikita na riders pagdating sa safety gears tinitipid pero mind you check nyo ang sangggggggkatutak na props fairings stickers ilaw etc na nakalagay sa MC's nila. i add mo lahat ang wlang kwentang abubot sa MC = European,Japan,USA made helmets na.

No offense sa mga maabubot sa MC may nakukuha ba kayong proteksiyon nyo sa sarili nyong buhay sa paglalagay ng kung ano anong bagay na hindi importante dyan sa MC nyo? Think nyong maigi kung buhay kayo at safe sa pagMMC sa katagalan ng buhay nyo nakaipon na kayo ulit ng bagong pambili sa dream MC nyo:clap:

Tsk tsk... so sad to hear that news. Only full-face helmets are certified by either DOT or SNELL as far as I know. Remember that certification doesn't rely on the brand. There are zeus helmets that are certified, some are not. Use only full-face helmets and nothing else. Please read the helmet articles in my website (link below) for more info about this.

Bro. there is an open-face HJC helmet that is DOT and SNELL certified. It is the finest touring helmet of HJC.

DOT Snell certified etc bla blas kpag taiwan brand or any asia made helmets hindi ako gagamble.


Brother diyan ka nagkakamali. For example nalang ang HJC helmets ay isa ring Asian made helmets pero ito ay mabenta sa America at binebenta rin sa Europe at siempre sa Asia. Ginagamit ito ng mga magagaling na biker/riders racers sa U.S. Hindi porke Asian made siya, hindi siya reliable. Basta bilhin mo ay tunay na DOT/SNELL approved helmets kahit anong brand ok yan. Better check it sa http://www.smf.org/certlist/std_M2000.html website before buying it para malaman mo talagang SNELL approved siya, kung gusto mong bilhin ay SNELL approved din.

mga sir, share ko lang po experience ko... i was using half face Index helmet before because i am comfortable at it. But before the mcp grand eb at tagaytay, i was persuaded to buy a full face INDEX helmet... So i used it to tagaytay. Then, at a long stretch hiway near tagaytay, i encountered almost the same accident that happen to your friend.... at the curve, i was entering at a speed of almost 60 to 70kph when my front wheel slips. I immediately let go of my motorcycle and roll over the pavement. Good thing the helmet i am using is full face and able to absorb the impact during my fall and while i am rolling. The visor of my helmet had a major scratch but it did not break nor shattered. :clap:

My conclusion is that the frame or shell of full face helmet is durable considering that your front head is protected by the shell of the helmet, unlike the half face helmet, only the visor is protecting your face... So eventually it may shatter because of the fall or while you are rolling...

I guess, mas safe parin ang full face than half face... :C in my own opinion and experience... :rolleyes:

perhaps it was because he landed on soil since it's downhill? right? big difference on pavement.

index and zeus build quality is very similar, i still prefer zeus, not only since its known but it has the DOT marked on it, while index has none....

no offense sir, but INDEX helmets are also DOT approved... It is not written on the helmet but when you look at their website and in the box or manual of the helmet. The DOT logo is there to find. ;)

Bro. there is an open-face HJC helmet that is DOT and SNELL certified. It is the finest touring helmet of HJC.
Ganun ba Sir? Do you know the exact model of that helmet para ma-check natin sa list ng SNELL and DOT? Kasi ang Index may sticker pa na DOT approved pero wala sa listahan ng DOT nor SNELL. Yes, misleading sila.

no offense sir, but INDEX helmets are also DOT approved... It is not written on the helmet but when you look at their website and in the box or manual of the helmet. The DOT logo is there to find. ;)
Sir, look at the list of certified DOT helmets sa website mismo ng DOT para makasiguro ka(the link is in my website). Wala sa listahan ang Index. Very misleading ang Index sa pag-aannounce na DOT approved sila.

Sir, look at the list of certified DOT helmets sa website mismo ng DOT para makasiguro ka(the link is in my website). Wala sa listahan ang Index. Very misleading ang Index sa pag-aannounce na DOT approved sila.


ganun po ba sir... thanks po sa info.. i will check it out.... :C

no offense sir, but INDEX helmets are also DOT approved... It is not written on the helmet but when you look at their website and in the box or manual of the helmet. The DOT logo is there to find. ;)



none taken... anyway i see your enlightened na...

IMO its better to buy em lids that proudly marks DOT/SNELL certified, beause if they were'nt then they would be sueable...

from dexterlab:
maraming factors to consider especially like the technique how to fall..

and most important of all at 70KPH?? chief, medyo mabilis na yun... factors like the type of tire used... riding skill.... these are few factors to consider...

honestly, my speed is 40kph... +/- 5kph only... ke maluwag pa kalsada.... mahirap na... kahit na balot na balot ako ng gears..... with that speed i still met some spills pero never pang pumalo ulo sa kalsada.... joe R jackets. gloves and knee/shin guard lang ang tumatama

i pray your friend's speedy recovery!!
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I agree with your opinion bro, I myself had my first spill at the daang hari just last 12 Feb coming from tagaytay, I was running at 40 kph, making a turn and my rear tire skidded and hit the bangketa and subsequently making my front tire hit the same bangketa, which made my bike act like a wild horse and catapulted me, I kicked away to the right direction of my bike at the last minute when I am high enough while assessing the place where I am going to fall, I somersaulted and let my back fell flat on the ground which absorbed the impact evenly while I was holding my crashhelmet, sad to say my right boots hit a scombro ( a soft kind of adobe) and broke it on impact, i had a six inches laceration on top of my achilles heel tendon and needs ten stiches. I am still alive with lots of muscle pain (hehehe) and my crash helmet had no scratches or cracks.
what I mean to say here is that you are right, there are some technics that you have to use or do in different kinds of accidents that we can encounter while riding, such as if you have sports bike jump off and let it crash, while with the big bikes stick with it hold tight until it stops,specially with those crash guards attach for the protection of your legs.
Crash helmets are just one of those very impotant protective gears that a rider needs, but most of all presence of mind and assessment of the situation and the acquired skills of falling through years of riding are also equally important. But most of all mga bro, huwag nating kalimutan ang magdasal bago at pagkatapos nating mag ride, mas importante SIYA sa lahat ng bagay.
safe ride bros

Ganun ba Sir? Do you know the exact model of that helmet para ma-check natin sa list ng SNELL and DOT? Kasi ang Index may sticker pa na DOT approved pero wala sa listahan ng DOT nor SNELL. Yes, misleading sila.

Brother the model is AC-3. Again HJC ito. :) So ibig sabihin kahit open-face pwede rin siyang maging SNELL approved. I don't know bakit, pero para sa akin mas-safe siempre ang full-face.

I am still considering to buy open-face para rin sa city driving at malalapit na rides. In fact my wife is using ang open-face AC-2 HJC din. Dapat lang huwag mag-mabilis at more careful, kasi nga hindi ganun ka safe ang open face at base narin sa nag-post natin ka bro. dito ako'y lalong naging aware or mag-i-ingat, lalo na kapag kasama ko si Mrs.:)

Anyway dito sa amin sa city driving is maximum na ang 50kph dito kapag walang gaanong traffic or maganda ang flow ng traffic. Sa Manila siguro dapat full-face lagi ang gamit kasi ang sama ng flow ng traffic at dami pang mga sasakyan lalo na sa EDSA.:(

no offense sir, but INDEX helmets are also DOT approved... It is not written on the helmet but when you look at their website and in the box or manual of the helmet. The DOT logo is there to find. ;)

agree ako sayo sir, im also a full face index user. cheap but then relliable and helpfull kesa wala diba.
share ko experience ko sir June 2005. umuwi ako ng Mariveles Bataan driving my new suzuki pro for brake in. sad to say nag slide ang bike ko kasama akong bumagsak at tumama ulo ko sa semento, swerte parin kasi im wearing a give away half face helmet from Remcor caloocan courtesy of suzuki. siguro kung wala ako helmet baka dedbol nako kasi ramdam ko ang impact ng bagsak ko sa semento. yan po kwento ko sensya na po sa OT. salamat po
and ride safe mcp and bro. riders.:D :clap:

Bro. hindi pa naman Off-topic yan. Ok ang nai-share mo sa amin. At least meron kang helmet kaysa wala and it did protect you.:)

By the way eto ang nakita kong magandang information regarding sa helmet standards sa isang website.

DOT approved

The Department of Transportation (DOT) determines the national standard by which a helmet's street-legal use is determined. In states requiring use of a DOT approved helmet it is required that your helmet have the DOT sticker on the back. Without that sticker a rider can be subject to fines. If you live in a state with a helmet law be sure that your helmet has the DOT sticker on the back. And, of course, we carry a huge line of DOT approved helmets.

Snell approved

This approval is the highest standard by which a helmet can be tested. The Snell foundation "is known for its ongoing work in setting, maintaining and continually upgrading the most authoritative helmet standards in the U.S. and throughout the world. Snell tests thousands of helmets each year and maintains its objectivity by remaining independent of helmet manufacturers, as well as local and national governments." Snell approved helmets are available to you from ...

Mga Sirs,

DOT Snell certified etc bla blas kpag taiwan brand or any asia made helmets hindi ako gagamble. Dapat alam nating lahat na first and foremost sa pagbili ng MC kasama dapat here ang reliable na safety gears, marami kasi akong nakikita na riders pagdating sa safety gears tinitipid pero mind you check nyo ang sangggggggkatutak na props fairings stickers ilaw etc na nakalagay sa MC's nila. i add mo lahat ang wlang kwentang abubot sa MC = European,Japan,USA made helmets na.

No offense sa mga maabubot sa MC may nakukuha ba kayong proteksiyon nyo sa sarili nyong buhay sa paglalagay ng kung ano anong bagay na hindi importante dyan sa MC nyo? Think nyong maigi kung buhay kayo at safe sa pagMMC sa katagalan ng buhay nyo nakaipon na kayo ulit ng bagong pambili sa dream MC nyo:clap:

KIPS150, you're right on target here bro and I couldn't agree more. But just to clarify: Arai and Shoei are Asian (Japanese) made helmets and I think in the top 5 of the best/popularly known helmets in the world and also in terms of safety and reliability. Granted, no single helmet manufactured today will guarantee your total safety, we still have to use our HEAD when choosing the
proper and appropriate gear for the job, hence the need to protect it.

Originally posted by R-1:

"BTW, visit the link below, they have high praises for zeus helmets, but in this case its a flip-up model. here's a quote from the site: " Apparently, I have a lot in common with Zeus owners. Zeus fans share a secret -- they own the best motorcycle helmet bargain in the universe!"

There's the key word: bargain

Let us all be careful with what we put on our heads. I'm not implying that Zeus is a cheapo helmet but at what price exactly do we put a tag on a persons safety or life? I only hope for everyone's sake that you are smart enough to choose proven and tested helmets for whatever kind of riding you do over cost..Php300 is surely not a good price for your heads protection, tsk tsk..what a bad idea considering you can afford to buy a motorcycle and some fancy bolts and pipes.. Motorcycling is a very big risk unto itself, how much more if you are using an inferior helmet or gear??

Brother the model is AC-3. Again HJC ito. :) So ibig sabihin kahit open-face pwede rin siyang maging SNELL approved. I don't know bakit, pero para sa akin mas-safe siempre ang full-face.

I am still considering to buy open-face para rin sa city driving at malalapit na rides. In fact my wife is using ang open-face AC-2 HJC din. Dapat lang huwag mag-mabilis at more careful, kasi nga hindi ganun ka safe ang open face at base narin sa nag-post natin ka bro. dito ako'y lalong naging aware or mag-i-ingat, lalo na kapag kasama ko si Mrs.:)

Anyway dito sa amin sa city driving is maximum na ang 50kph dito kapag walang gaanong traffic or maganda ang flow ng traffic. Sa Manila siguro dapat full-face lagi ang gamit kasi ang sama ng flow ng traffic at dami pang mga sasakyan lalo na sa EDSA.:(
You're right Sir Froilan. HJC AC-3 is SNELL approved. It's in their list of certified helmets. And you're right again, full-face helmet is way more safer than those that are not.

just FYI, DOT certification uses the honor system for certification. any manufacturer who claims compliance can put a DOT sticker on their helmets. the US DOT samples helmets at random to test for compliance.

even if the helmet tested failed to meet the requirements, the DOT merely informs the manufacturer that the model should be modified to meet the requirements. no further testing is done on failed helmets per se. it may be tested again if it falls within the sample batch in the next random sampling.

what does this mean? this means that brands like index, zeus, hjc, etc who place a DOT sticker on their helmets are presumed to comply with the standard. there is NO DOT APPROVED HELMET LIST...

this is an excerpt from the DOT faq regarding motorcycles and their operation...

DOT or NHTSA does not "approve" motorcycle helmets, thus, there is no list of "approved" helmets. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has the statutory authority to issue Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) applicable to motor vehicles and items of motor vehicle equipment, including motorcycle helmets. The law establishes a self-certification process in which the motorcycle helmet manufacturers certify that their products are in compliance with FMVSS No. 218, which establishes minimum performance requirements that the products must meet. NHTSA enforces the standard by randomly selecting and purchasing motorcycle helmets from the marketplace and testing to the requirements of the standard at independent test labs.
@tat: the manufacturers of index are well within their rights to classify their helmets are DOT compliant. does this mean that their helmets are compliant? the presumption is yes. the list you linked to are the random samples that have been tested by the DOT and is not the full and comprehensive list of helmets that are compliant with DOT standards.

it would be faulty logic on our part to assume that index fails the standard simply because their helmets have not been chosen for random sampling and their affordable pricing.