Driver`s License

[macky6006]

mga Ka MCP pwede ba mag maneho nang mag isa and rider kahit Student License lng ang meron siya... kasi wala pa time kami mag pagawa License niya...

[jempaul]

tol, hindi pa pwede.. kailangan talaga, non-pro o professional license bago makapag solo.. tiis tiis ka muna, mahirap nang mahuli, impound yang motor mo, mas mahirap pag naaksidente ka, kahit ikaw ang tama, MALI ka pa din!

tiis ka muna, 1 month lang yan..

[mt391]

mga Ka MCP pwede ba mag maneho nang mag isa and rider kahit Student License lng ang meron siya... kasi wala pa time kami mag pagawa License niya...

There is no such thing as a "student license." Ang hawak nya po ay "STUDENT'S PERMIT." Kaya kung mag-isa po siya magmaneho ng motor at walang kasamang tao na may "PROFESSIONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE," siya po ay pwedeng hulihin at kasuhan ng driving without license. Paki tingin nalang po sa LTO website kung ano ang parusa dito (mabigat na kaso ito with impound ng motor if I remember correctly).

[mt391]

tol, hindi pa pwede.. kailangan talaga, non-pro o professional license bago makapag solo.. tiis tiis ka muna, mahirap nang mahuli, impound yang motor mo, mas mahirap pag naaksidente ka, kahit ikaw ang tama, MALI ka pa din!

tiis ka muna, 1 month lang yan..

Correction lang po. Hindi po pwedeng non-professional ang kasama ng student driver. Kailangan po talaga na professional driver ang kasama at (dapat) nagtuturo magmaneho sa isang student driver. Paki-bisita po ang LTO website para sa guidelines.

[macky6006]

thanks sir

[jempaul]

Correction lang po. Hindi po pwedeng non-professional ang kasama ng student driver. Kailangan po talaga na professional driver ang kasama at (dapat) nagtuturo magmaneho sa isang student driver. Paki-bisita po ang LTO website para sa guidelines.

correction lang po, ang sinasabi ko kay macky, dapat non-pro o professional na ang license NYA bago sya makapagsolo riding!

[mt391]

correction lang po, ang sinasabi ko kay macky, dapat non-pro o professional na ang license NYA bago sya makapagsolo riding!

Thanks for that. Sorry, hindi ko masyado nabasa maige.

[allankaibaste]

mga Ka MCP pwede ba mag maneho nang mag isa and rider kahit Student License lng ang meron siya... kasi wala pa time kami mag pagawa License niya...

ndi po pinagagawa ung licensya!

[smasher17]

pwede naman brod.....

as long as hindi ka nahuli...

[sniper1mig]

pwede yan wag lang papahuli at maaaksidente. . . pero mas maganda my kasama kang prof ang DL o kaya kung gustu mo ikaw lang mag isa maghintay ka na lang na non pro para iwas abala,

[HarleyFatBoy]

If I was you I would just wait until I get the License. Im going to do the same thing, take the motorcycle courses and advance course then I will take the exam. Im sure I will be able to pass it. It's not that difficult. I took the driver's license test here in Canada for the license to drive a car or truck (SUV) and I passed both written and road test. And it's a lot harder here than in the Philippines too. I've been driving my truck for a very long time now. I have had my driver's license for over 25 years. Never been into an accident, never had a ticket for any traffic or driving violations. The most I get are parking tickets like "Parking in No Parking zone area from 4pm to 6pm. I don't even fight it and just pay the fine in city hall.

[Maquisig]

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ndi po pinagagawa ung licensya!

pwede kung TALAHIB,.. hehehe!

[jonics]

yung sinabi ni papa piolo. kailangan may kasama kang tao na may pro license.

[aloy_g]

Correction lang po. Hindi po pwedeng non-professional ang kasama ng student driver. Kailangan po talaga na professional driver ang kasama at (dapat) nagtuturo magmaneho sa isang student driver. Paki-bisita po ang LTO website para sa guidelines.
ang nabasa ko bro sa website, kelangan lang ay "Duly Licensed" and kasama. Di kelangang pro. pero kung tinuturuan pa lang, kelangan pro talaga kasi pro lang ang pwede magturo.

[H8red]

licensed nga lang po, bka po un nasa driving schools po yun dapat eh PRO.....peace!

[vega22]

ang nabasa ko bro sa website, kelangan lang ay "Duly Licensed" and kasama. Di kelangang pro. pero kung tinuturuan pa lang, kelangan pro talaga kasi pro lang ang pwede magturo.

duly licensed doesnt mean if you have a license you can teach. dapat professional license ang hawak ng nagtuturo at dapat 1 & 2 ang restriction nya sa lisensya.

[3pleparusa]

Correction lang po. Hindi po pwedeng non-professional ang kasama ng student driver. Kailangan po talaga na professional driver ang kasama at (dapat) nagtuturo magmaneho sa isang student driver. Paki-bisita po ang LTO website para sa guidelines.

Kakasale ko lang dito at nagbabasa ng maga lumang threads.

Medyo may klaruhin lang.

Pede po magturo ang "Non-Professional License". Ang kaibihan ng "Non-Pro at Pro License" ay kung saan ito gagamiten.

if private purposes such as driving owned vehicle Non- Pro is suitable for it but if driving vehicle for business purposes such as jeepneys, fx, delivery vehicle, etc and in other case driving for the company it should be Pro.

Thats all and hope it clears to everybody.

[vega22]

Kakasale ko lang dito at nagbabasa ng maga lumang threads.

Medyo may klaruhin lang.

Pede po magturo ang "Non-Professional License". Ang kaibihan ng "Non-Pro at Pro License" ay kung saan ito gagamiten.

if private purposes such as driving owned vehicle Non- Pro is suitable for it but if driving vehicle for business purposes such as jeepneys, fx, delivery vehicle, etc and in other case driving for the company it should be Pro.

Thats all and hope it clears to everybody.

nope! di puede magturo ang non pro sa student. may incident na nangyaring nayan before sa kaibigan ko, nakabangga sila ng tricycle, private vehicle gamit, may student permit yung driver kaso non pro yung kasama. may violation sila why? kasi, pag professional license, you earn your living driving, gaya ng mga bus, jeep, taxi drivers etc, o gaya ng mga delivery van cargo truck drivers. pag non pro, you dont earn your living driving. so it goes to say ang non pro holders are not authorized to teach because they dont earn a living by driving. ganun lang kasimple yun.

[mt391]

Dito po papasok ang pinagkaiba ng mga salitang "kaya" at "pwede."

Kayang magturo ng non-pro sa student, pero hindi pwede magturo ang isang non-pro sa isang student. Bakit? Ina-assume na ang dapat nagtuturo ng driving sa student ay mga "driving schools" kung saan ang mga teachers ay may "professional" license. Dapat talaga na ang nagtuturo ng driving ay mula sa driving schools para may standard of teaching. Pero, kilala natin ang gawi nating mga Pilipino na sadyang masinop sa pera (kuripot). Iniisip natin na pwede na si tatay, si tito, si kapitbahay ang magturo, without the assurance na in case of an accident, ang isang driving school ay insured sa accidents.

To make things simple. Kaya kong magturo ng Genetics 101 na isang college-level subject sa isang estudyante, pero hindi ako pwedeng magbigay ng credits sa tinuturuan ko dahil hindi ako professional teacher.

[mt391]

Okay lang naman na nonpro ang magturo at kasama ng student, PROVIDED na hindi sila maaksidente or mahuli ng traffic officer/pulis. Hindi naman kasi tinatanong sa LTO kapag nag-upgrade na ang student to pro or nonpro kung sino ang nagturo at kasama ng student habang nag-aaral magmaneho hindi ba?

[Wolver888]

Agree 101%.

Ang word na "PRO" sa PROFESSIONAL ay hindi ibig sabihin EXPERT or BIHASA or MAGALING or KABILIB-BILIB na driver.

It means Profession ... Trabaho.

Kaya ang magtuturo ay yung may Pro dahil Profession nya ang magturo ... at applicable ang Pro license din sa Profession na mamamasada, or any other pang negosyo/pang hanap buhay na pagmamaneho.

[homboy]

mga Ka MCP pwede ba mag maneho nang mag isa and rider kahit Student License lng ang meron siya... kasi wala pa time kami mag pagawa License niya...

..kung may panahon ka mag drive ng motor mo dapat may panahon ka din kumuha ng lisensya mo..at correction ang lisensya ay nakakamit (kung pasado ka sa pagsusulit na magkamit ng lisensya - LTO ang tanging gumagawa ng lisensya sa lehitimong pasadong applikante nito)..at hindi pinapagawa ang lisensiya sa kung saan man..dahil illegal yun (talahib ka) huli ka parin.....

[3pleparusa]

Noong kumuha ako ng student permit and sabe ng LTO officer or staff, authorize to teach Non Pro or Pro. Ang nakasaad naman sa batas ay person duly license. napaka-broad ng nakasulat na walang meaning kung Pro lang dapat. Ang klaro lang ay full responsibility nya ang studyante at nasa kapaligiran.

[3pleparusa]

To make more clear try to read RA NO. 4136 Section 31

No student driver shall operate a motor vehicle unless accompanied by a duly licensed driver.

The licensed driver shall likewise be responsible and liable for any violation of the provision of this Act and for any injury or damage done by the motor vehicle on account or a result of its operation by a student driver under his direction.

Yan po ang nasusulat. Walang Pro or Non Pro na nakasaad basta lisensyado lang.

Ahmm, di po ako nakikipagtagisan, inililinaw ko lang.

Salamat at pasensya.

For your reference: You can see links before reply

[vega22]

duly licensed doesnt mean if you have a license you can teach. dapat professional license ang hawak ng nagtuturo at dapat 1 & 2 ang restriction nya sa lisensya.


Noong kumuha ako ng student permit and sabe ng LTO officer or staff, authorize to teach Non Pro or Pro. Ang nakasaad naman sa batas ay person duly license. napaka-broad ng nakasulat na walang meaning kung Pro lang dapat. Ang klaro lang ay full responsibility nya ang studyante at nasa kapaligiran.

basahin mo uli yung unang post ko na naka quote. kaya nga ikaw na rin maysabi DULY licensed diba? hindi licensed lang. kasi kung licensed lang edi puede basta may lisensya ka (non pro o pro). pero the fact na sinabing DULY LICENSED as per legal definition ng duly: as required, legitimately, correctly, rightfully; (You can see links before reply) ibig sabihin may standard na sinusunod at kelangang i meet diba? basic analogy lang bok.

[StarBen]

galeng! madami talagang matututunan dito! :clap:

pero ako nakapag drive ako kasama ko naka non-pro lang eh :O
natuto naman,eto naka Non-pro na :O

thanks God nga at nakapasa ng exam,di biro yung exam ah,mas madali pa yung practical eh :O

[3pleparusa]

basahin mo uli yung unang post ko na naka quote. kaya nga ikaw na rin maysabi DULY licensed diba? hindi licensed lang. kasi kung licensed lang edi puede basta may lisensya ka (non pro o pro). pero the fact na sinabing DULY LICENSED as per legal definition ng duly: as required, legitimately, correctly, rightfully; (You can see links before reply) ibig sabihin may standard na sinusunod at kelangang i meet diba? basic analogy lang bok.

Brod, the meaning of "Duly" as prescribe in the dictionary is clearly understand but as it was used in RA it was subjective. It doesn't mean duly is Professional base but likewise it means Authorize. Also you had mentioned their is a standard or procedural should be use. May i have the link or can you post the standard your saying, because it wasn't listed in the RA. Maybe a written memo from LTO. May I please.

[3pleparusa]

Also, as you may see written in the "application for driver's license" form of LTO at "driving skills acquired or will be acquired thru" box, written their is were the applicant's driving skills attained choosing either "driving school" or "licensed private person". it doesn't stated Pro or Non Pro.

[vega22]

Brod, the meaning of "Duly" as prescribe in the dictionary is clearly understand but as it was used in RA it was subjective. It doesn't mean duly is Professional base but likewise it means Authorize. Also you had mentioned their is a standard or procedural should be use. May i have the link or can you post the standard your saying, because it wasn't listed in the RA. Maybe a written memo from LTO. May I please.


Also, as you may see written in the "application for driver's license" form of LTO at "driving skills acquired or will be acquired thru" box, written their is were the applicant's driving skills attained choosing either "driving school" or "licensed private person". it doesn't stated Pro or Non Pro.

bok, ikaw narin may sabi na yung duly; means authorized dun sa RA na binanggit mo right? so ibig sabihin ng duly licensed edi authorized licensed person tama? so, meron ding licensed person pero unauthorized para magturo right? so if thats the case, meron tayong authorized licensed (duly licensed) and licensed person lang right? ano ba classifications ng license natin? pro at non pro diba? now, where do you think the pro will fit in and where do you think non pro will fall? otherwise, kung pinagpipilitan mo parin yung paniniwala mo edi lumalabas na basta may lisensya kana puede ka ng magturo mag drive, e bakit pa nila nilagyan ng DULY diba? at yung "licensed private person" sa application, ang ibig sabihin nun e lisensiadong pribadong tao para magturo hindi pribadong tao na basta may lisensya lang. common sense lang yan bok.

[3pleparusa]

bok, ikaw narin may sabi na yung duly; means authorized dun sa RA na binanggit mo right? so ibig sabihin ng duly licensed edi authorized licensed person tama? so, meron ding licensed person pero unauthorized para magturo right? so if thats the case, meron tayong authorized licensed (duly licensed) and licensed person lang right? ano ba classifications ng license natin? pro at non pro diba? now, where do you think the pro will fit in and where do you think non pro will fall? otherwise, kung pinagpipilitan mo parin yung paniniwala mo edi lumalabas na basta may lisensya kana puede ka ng magturo mag drive, e bakit pa nila nilagyan ng DULY diba? at yung "licensed private person" sa application, ang ibig sabihin nun e lisensiadong pribadong tao para magturo hindi pribadong tao na basta may lisensya lang. common sense lang yan bok.

Ok sir to make it short, as I said before. this is the classification, Professional License for livelihood or requirement by company. Non Pro for private usage only.

Base on RA 4136 (if you had read), it stated that a person pass in the written and practical examination and acknowledge by the Commissioner he/she is given a license and authorize.

There is no such as Pro or Non Pro stated in the RA, its just purely license. Please try to read and you will understand. And if you still don't, try to have a conversation with SOPI member (Safety Organization of the Phil.) who are the consultants of the said RA. If you have extra cash, try to have a seminar in TESDA or MFI in Meralco.

Note: Don't try to know the answer thru PNP, MMDA or LTO lower ranks they don't know and even read the RA.

[vega22]

@ 3pleparusa: bok, eto lang yan, ibabalik ko sayo yung tinatanong mo sakin, can you show a plain and simple proof na indeed ang mga holder ng non pro license ay puede magturo w/c is legally accepted by our system? and please, check your grammar sa mga quotations mo ng sinasabi mo. well, kung ganun paniniwala mo ikaw yan, sarili mo yan. alam mo ba na sa batas natin, mga memos etc etc pertaining to legality in black and white, simple tense ng verb, comma, singular o plural, addition or removal of even a single word (like DULY) could alter the whole meaning? ignorantia legis, non excusat bok. (ignorance of the law excuses no one)

[3pleparusa]

clarification...

Wala ako sinabe na nasusulat na pede magturo ang Non Pro. Ang pin point ko, walang nakasaad sa batas na Pro lang and mamari magturo sa mga naka student permit. Ginagamet lang ang Pro sa pangkabuhayan o magbabayad ang tinuturuan.

Para mabasa mo word by word eto po ang link na inilagay ko na sa nauna kong post.

For your reference: You can see links before reply

Andyan na po lahat kahit wag mo na intindihen ang mga memorandum ng LTO dahil lahat naman ng nakasaad doon galing dito na medyo pinalawak lang para maintindihan ng mga di nagbabasa ng RA.

Siguro iyan na lang ang makakasagot sa mga bagabag ng mga nakakabasa at sa lahat ng titingen dito.

Sabe mo Ignorance of the law unexceptional. Nabasa mo naba talaga?

Ang sabe mo may "Standards", asan na? Kahit ikaw nalang mag-post ng ilang naaalala mo.

[vega22]

Pede po magturo ang "Non-Professional License". Ang kaibihan ng "Non-Pro at Pro License" ay kung saan ito gagamiten.

if private purposes such as driving owned vehicle Non- Pro is suitable for it but if driving vehicle for business purposes such as jeepneys, fx, delivery vehicle, etc and in other case driving for the company it should be Pro.

Thats all and hope it clears to everybody.


clarification...

Wala ako sinabe na nasusulat na pede magturo ang Non Pro. Ang pin point ko, walang nakasaad sa batas na Pro lang and mamari magturo sa mga naka student permit. Ginagamet lang ang Pro sa pangkabuhayan o magbabayad ang tinuturuan.

Para mabasa mo word by word eto po ang link na inilagay ko na sa nauna kong post.

For your reference: You can see links before reply

Andyan na po lahat kahit wag mo na intindihen ang mga memorandum ng LTO dahil lahat naman ng nakasaad doon galing dito na medyo pinalawak lang para maintindihan ng mga di nagbabasa ng RA.

Siguro iyan na lang ang makakasagot sa mga bagabag ng mga nakakabasa at sa lahat ng titingen dito.

Sabe mo Ignorance of the law unexceptional. Nabasa mo naba talaga?

Ang sabe mo may "Standards", asan na? Kahit ikaw nalang mag-post ng ilang naaalala mo.

sabi mo wala kang sinasabi na puede mag turo ang non pro, ano yung post mo na yun sa taas?

ano ba talaga point mo rito? linawin mo nga kung ano sinasabi mo? magulo ka bok.

ako,sinasabi ko na kailangan pro ang lisensya mo para makapagturo ka ng may student permit. yung ang sinasabi ko. ikaw?

paulit ulit kong sinasabi kaya nga ang nakalagay "DULY LICENSED" dahil (refer to my older post nalang kesa ulitin ko nanaman dito). otherwise, i explain mo nga bakit may nakalagay na DULY at ano kung walang nakalagay na DULY?

wala akong sinasabing "ignorance of the law unexceptional", basahin mo uli yung post ko. at alam ko at 1st hand dahil may nangyari na ngang ganyan non pro yung nagturo nakabangga may violation (refer to my previous post)

yung link na nilagay mo diko mabuksan maaring broken o may virus naka block sa pc ko.

yung standards na sinasabi ko na binaggit mo yun nga yun. (refer mo uli sa previous post ko yung definition ng duly)

saka bok ayusin mo yang rebuttal mo sa mga statements ko lumilisya ka sa tanong ko dimo naman nasasagot ng klaro (backread), magiinject ka uli ng panibago tapos pag nahimay ko na at nasabi ko sayo maginject ka uli iab o ibabalik mo yung tapos na.

ganito nalang, tapusin na natin to, yan ang paniniwala mo, iba sinasabi ko, let the other forumers read our statements and post and let them think or analyze for themselves.

[3pleparusa]

Ok sir,

Eto po stand ko. Walang nasusulat na pwede magturo ang Pro o Non Pro. Dahil ang nakasaad sa batas ay lihitimong lisensyado. Kahit sino basta may lisensya na pede tikitan ok na. Ganun lang yun.

(ignorance of the law excuses no one) yan ang sabe mo kanina. Nilagyan ko ng twist at bute nahalata mo naman pala (Ignorance of the law unexceptional). Magkaiba ng sentance pero pareho ang meaning. Yun word na DULY di po ibig sabihen Professional. Sa tagalog ng DULY ay "lihitimo o karapatdapat". alam mo na siguro nais ko ipahiwateg. Propesyon at Di-propesyon ay parehong lihitimong lisensyado na binigyan awtorisado ng Commissioner.

[3pleparusa]

Sir,

Pakibasa po ang pang numero 11

You can see links before reply_others_TV

26 August 2008
DEPARTMENT ORDER NO. 2008-39

SUBJECT: REVISED SCHEDULE OF LTO FINES AND PENALTIES FOR TRAFFICE AND ADMINISTRATIVE VIOLATIONS

In complicance with Executive Order No. 218 dated 15 March 2000 as implemented by DOF_DBM joint Circ*2000-2 dated April 2000 the following revised schedule of administrative fees, charges, fines and penalties of the Land Transportation Office revising DOTC Department Order 93-693, are hereby approved for implementation:



FINES/PENALTIES FOR TRAFFIC AND ADMINISTRATIVE VIOLATIONS:

APPROVED RATES


Violations In Connection With Licenses


[Top]



1. Driving without License 1,500.00
2. Driving without delinquent of expired license 400.00
3. Driving with suspended or revoked or improper license 1,000.00
4. Failure to carry Driver’s License 200.00
5. Failure to sign Driver’s License 200.00
6. Driving under the influence of liquor. 5,000.00

- and two (2) months suspension of driver’s license 5,000.00

- for the 2nd offense and three (3) months suspension 6,000.00
of driver’s license

- for subsequent violations after the 2nd offense 7,000.00
and six months suspension of driver’s license;
after 3rd offense automatic revocation of driver’s license

7. Driving under the influence of drugs 10,000.00
8. Allowing an unlicensed/improperly licensed person to 1,000.00 drive motor vehicle.

- suspension of plates, registrations and Driver’s License
for 2 months

9. Possession and use of fake/spurious Driver’s License 2,000.00

- if the drivers has been issued an authentic license,
it shall be suspended for 1 year in addition to the fine

- if the driver has not been issued an authentic license,
he shall be disqualified, to secure a Driver’s License for a
period of two (2) years.

10. Conviction of the driver of a crime using a motor vehicle 3,000.00
11. Student driver operating a MV without being accompanied by 500.00

a Licensed driver
12. Unlicensed conductor of a motor vehicle for hire 500.00
13. Operating / driving a motor vehicle which is unregistered /

improperly Registered

- if committed by the driver without the knowledge and 2,000.00
Consent of the owner/operator

- if the driver is also the processor of the subject motor vehicle 4,000.00

- in both cases the motor vehicle shall be impounded or the
plates if any shall be confiscated and shall not be released
until properly registered.


14. Operating a motor vehicle with unregistered substitute or 5,000.00
replacement engine, engine block or chassis

- the subject MV shall be impounded until such parts are
properly registered

15. Failure to carry certificate of registration or official receipt 150.00
of registration
16. Operating /allowing the operation of MV with a suspended / 1,000.00

revoked Certificate/Official Receipt of registration.

- the subject MV shall be impounded and its plate held
during the suspension

- in addition to the original suspension the said MV and
plates shall further be suspended for two (2) years.

17. Tourist operating or allowing the use of non Philippine registered 5,000.00
Motor Vehicle beyond the 90 day period of his sojourn in the
country.

- the MV shall not be allowed to operate by the confiscation
Of its plates, OR & CR until properly registered.

- in addition, if the driver is a holder of local driver’s license,
the same shall be suspended for one (1) month.

[3pleparusa]

Take note licensed driver poh. Wala pong nakasaad na Pro or Non Pro.

[vega22]

Ok sir,

Eto po stand ko. Walang nasusulat na pwede magturo ang Pro o Non Pro. Dahil ang nakasaad sa batas ay lihitimong lisensyado. Kahit sino basta may lisensya na pede tikitan ok na. Ganun lang yun.

(ignorance of the law excuses no one) yan ang sabe mo kanina. Nilagyan ko ng twist at bute nahalata mo naman pala (Ignorance of the law unexceptional). Magkaiba ng sentance pero pareho ang meaning. Yun word na DULY di po ibig sabihen Professional. Sa tagalog ng DULY ay "lihitimo o karapatdapat". alam mo na siguro nais ko ipahiwateg. Propesyon at Di-propesyon ay parehong lihitimong lisensyado na binigyan awtorisado ng Commissioner.


bok, ikaw narin may sabi na yung duly; means authorized dun sa RA na binanggit mo right? so ibig sabihin ng duly licensed edi authorized licensed person tama? so, meron ding licensed person pero unauthorized para magturo right? so if thats the case, meron tayong authorized licensed (duly licensed) and licensed person lang right? ano ba classifications ng license natin? pro at non pro diba? now, where do you think the pro will fit in and where do you think non pro will fall? otherwise, kung pinagpipilitan mo parin yung paniniwala mo edi lumalabas na basta may lisensya kana puede ka ng magturo mag drive, e bakit pa nila nilagyan ng DULY diba? at yung "licensed private person" sa application, ang ibig sabihin nun e lisensiadong pribadong tao para magturo hindi pribadong tao na basta may lisensya lang. common sense lang yan bok.

gets? otherwise, disprove mo nga yang sinabi ko. paulit ulit pabalik balik kalang. explain mo nga fiurther ano pagkakaintindi mo sa lihitimong lisenyado at hindi?

[vega22]

yung sinasabi jan na licensed driver, ibig sabihin nun lisensyadong magturo, hindi basta may lisensya puede na. walang iniwan yan sa mga eroplano bok, hindi porket marunong ka ng magpalipad ng eroplano puede ka ng maging flight instructor. yan, maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw.

[engr.ramz]

mga sir ask ko din lang po kung yung nagtuturo ba syo kailangan na magkasama kyo sa isang motor lang as in back ride lang sya or pwede na mag ride along together in a group or couple? TIA

[3pleparusa]

Airlines at railways system iba ang lisensya nila na hinde sakop ng LTO. napakalinaw naman ng nakasulat diba. Licensed driver lang. Kung kaylangan ay Professional licensed driver dapat may nakalaan na pagsusulatan ng license number na magiging reference.

Naitanong mo kung ano ibig sabihen ng lihitimo. Nakasaad sa RA na ibig sabihen ng lihitimo ay yun nakatala, may pagkikilanlan at awtorisado ng Commissioner. lahat nang nabanget ay parehong meron ang Pro at Non Pro.

Ang gusto ko sana malalaman ay iyan bang sinasabe mo ay opinyon, maynagsabe sayo o may basehan ka. Sa tema ng mga sinulat mo ay di mo pa ata nababasa ang nakapaloob sa RA 4136 at wala ka pa naibibigay na reference na magbibigay patunay sa mga sinasabe mo.

[3pleparusa]

mga sir ask ko din lang po kung yung nagtuturo ba syo kailangan na magkasama kyo sa isang motor lang as in back ride lang sya or pwede na mag ride along together in a group or couple? TIA

Ang nakasaad sa RA 4136 Section 30.

"No student driver shall operate a motor vehicle unless accompanied by duly licensed driver"

Ang meaning ng "accompanied"

accompanied past participle, past tense of ac·com·pa·ny (Verb)
1. Go somewhere with (someone) as a companion or escort.
2. Be present or occur at the same time as (something else)

Self assessment nalang po.

[3pleparusa]

Maniniwala ako na Pro lang ang may karapatan na magturo kung meron syang certification of seminars and training and accredited by LTO as instructor.Kapareho lang sa Engineering o sa ibang kurso. Di porke't license Eng'r na pwede na magturo ng engineering academic. Kukuha pa ng additional units at mag exam pa ulit para sa license to teach sa CHED.

Eh ang pagkuha ng Pro at Non Pro drivers license ay parehas lang ng proseso at presyo ng babayaran lang ang pagkakaiba.

[vega22]

parehas nga proseso, babayaran ang pagkakaiba, tama ka run. yung sa eroplano hindi sakop ng LTO pagkata ATO ang may hawak dun, i just set it as an example.

now mabalik tayo sa non pro at pro sa pagtuturo, bat hindi mo ma explain sakin yung insertion ng DULY? ano pagkakaiba ng hindi duly?

i break down natin; definition nalang

professional- a person who is expert, sometimes serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain

non professional- a person who is not a professional, not a member of or trained in a specific profession, an amateur.

jan palang kitang kita na. kaya nga may pagkakaiba sila dahil pag professional ka, it is deemed na you have a deeper grasp or understanding than a non pro hence givng you the ability to teach (legally). may driving instructor ka bang nakita in any driving school sa buong pilipinas na non pro ang hawak na lisensya? sama mo narin yung mga private individuals na asa internt posting and offering their services to teach how to drive using the students vehicles. lahat yun pro ang hawak na lisensya.

ngayon kung maukilit ka parin at pinagpipilitan mo yang maling paniniwala mo, bago ka maginject uli ng ibang aspect o kung ano man. i explain mo muna yung difference ng may DULY licensed at licensed lang mula sa RA na qinoute mo. otherwise, kung hindi mo maexplain sakin at sa lahat ng nagbbasa sa forum nato, manahimik ka nalang.

[3pleparusa]

parehas nga proseso, babayaran ang pagkakaiba, tama ka run. yung sa eroplano hindi sakop ng LTO pagkata ATO ang may hawak dun, i just set it as an example.

now mabalik tayo sa non pro at pro sa pagtuturo, bat hindi mo ma explain sakin yung insertion ng DULY? ano pagkakaiba ng hindi duly?

i break down natin; definition nalang

professional- a person who is expert, sometimes serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain

non professional- a person who is not a professional, not a member of or trained in a specific profession, an amateur.

jan palang kitang kita na. kaya nga may pagkakaiba sila dahil pag professional ka, it is deemed na you have a deeper grasp or understanding than a non pro hence givng you the ability to teach (legally). may driving instructor ka bang nakita in any driving school sa buong pilipinas na non pro ang hawak na lisensya? sama mo narin yung mga private individuals na asa internt posting and offering their services to teach how to drive using the students vehicles. lahat yun pro ang hawak na lisensya.

ngayon kung maukilit ka parin at pinagpipilitan mo yang maling paniniwala mo, bago ka maginject uli ng ibang aspect o kung ano man. i explain mo muna yung difference ng may DULY licensed at licensed lang mula sa RA na qinoute mo. otherwise, kung hindi mo maexplain sakin at sa lahat ng nagbbasa sa forum nato, manahimik ka nalang.

OK kung ganyanan na ang banatan then I would play as you wanted it.

Una sa lahat, nagpapasalamat ako sa debate dahil mas napipilitan ako maghanap at magbasa ng mga kasulatan ukol sa usapin.

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Professional - A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialised set of tasks and orchestrate them with uncommon skill. Traditional examples of professions included medicine, nursing, law and engineering but is now more widely used to include estate agents, surveyors , environmental scientists, forensic scientists and many more.

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non·pro·fes·sion·al
   [non-pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1.not a member of or trained in a specific profession.
2.Sports . not offering or engaged in for payment or a monetary prize; amateur: a nonprofessional league; a nonprofessional player.
3.a person who is not a professional.
4.an amateur athlete.

Di ko alam kung saan mo nakuha mga definition ng professional at nonprofessional. Pakilagyan ng reference para malinaw at may basihan.

Sorry if I might be rude on the following stanza.

Pano ako maniniwala ng Professional lang ang may karapatang magturo eh tungkol sa responsibilidad at safety karamihan walang kaalam alam. Ang magbasa ng signage, traffic rules and law, road line definition, etc.. ay hinde alam ng sinasabe mong mga ilang naka Professionals license. Sino mag tinutukoy ko? Mga nagmamaneho ng pampasaherong sasakyan na karamihan ay mangmang at kahit sa mga pribadong sasakyan meron den. Sila ba ang may karapatan?

Sabe mo ng una may "standards" na sinusunod. Asan na yun? Kung meron noon na aprubado ng SOPI at LTO ay maniniwala pa ako.

[3pleparusa]

Natural lang na Professional license ang hawak ng nasabe mong mga halimbawa dahil binabayaran ang serbisyo nila. Sabe ng meaning mo ng Professional is occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain. Trabaho po nila yon.

Duly Licensed sa tagalog Lihitimong Lisensya - May record, may pagkikilanlan at awtorisado ng Commissioner. Yan ang nakasulat sa RA. Ibig sabihen dito tunay na lisensya na dumaan sa proseso.

Licensed - single word lang ginamet ng LTO pero ang ibig sabihen ay lisensyadong drayber.

Naku paulit ulit naman. Wala kana ibang pedeng ipakitang ibidensya di puro sa mga na ipost ko ikaw kumukuha?

[vega22]

haha, natatawa naman ako sa mga sinasabi mo. kung ang pagkakaintindi mo sa duly licensed ay yung dumaan at lihitimong may lisensya kamo, so ang ibig mong sabihin pag licensed lang walang duly e yung hindi dumaan sa proseso? now if thats the case, pag hindi dumaan sa proseso o sa karaniwang procedure edi ano tawag mo sa lisensya nya? illegal o talahib diba? now, legally speaking, kung ikaw ay hindi dumaan sa proseso at illegal lisensya mo, puede ka bang tawaging "licensed individual" (alisin mo yung DULY)? hindi diba? yun ang pinapalabas ko o sinasabi ko umpisa palang. may category o may susunod na step pa. may nakalagay ba sa application mo na "will you be teaching someone elso to drive"? wala diba? so ano ang magdidifferentiate sa 2? dun papasok yung pro o non pro. btw, legally speaking tayo ha.

oh ayan, hinimay, hinain, sinubo at pinanguya ko na sayo, lulununin mo nalang. pero kung ang paniwala mo ay ganun parin ewan ko na sayo. ke magresearch research o mag qoute qoute kapa unless may ipapakita ka na tinatanong ko sa previous post ko na ako mismo walang mahanap. kasi sasabihin ko uli. analogy lang yan bok hehe!

at tama ka puro sa mga post mo ako kumukuha dahil sa post mo mismo ko pinapakita na wala kang consistency hehehe! yung mga sumusonod na post mo mismo ang kumokontra sa argument mo hehe

[3pleparusa]

Lam mo brod, lumalabas wala ka alam o may alam kana. tinitira mo mga sinasabe ko eh ang hinihingi ko yung link o katibayan na susuporta ng pinaglalaban mo na hangang ngayon wala paden.

Pasensya na brod, pero kung ipaggigiitan mo yan sa SOPI, LTO High Ranks o sa mga lawyer baka pagtawanan ka pero subukan mo naden dahil sila din naman ang nagpapatunay sa mga nasabe ko.

[mal0]

sorry to break in.

pwede pong LEGALLY magturo ang non-pro. as in sa driving school. although meron pa rin silang separate na lisensha for teaching to drive. nevertheless, kung private teaching lang naman, pwedeng pwede ang non-pro basta may student permit yung estudyante.

narinig ko na rin po yang mas bida ang pro kesa non-pro. old school pong understanding natin dyan. may narinig pa rin ako na pag may banggaan mas panalo ang pro kesa non-pro. of course, that's not true.

pero tama po yung difference ng non-pro sa pro. pro is dahil ikinabubuhay niya ang pagda-drive. non-pro, wala trip lang -in layman's term. hehe!

at fyi daw, alam naman po ng mga high ranking LTO officials ang mga RA na yan. although admitted na may mga enforcers na basta makapanghuli lang. pag ganun daw, may laban tayo. so, knowledge is power.

so smile. walang away.

hope this clears the smoke. pinata-type lang po sa aking ng isa sa mga adjudicating officer ng LTO. hindi ko na imention ang name. pero pag kinulit ako sasabihin ko rin. hehe!

[mt391]

So the moral of the story is:

Apply for a student's permit and learn and wait for at least 1 month driving/riding in a safe environment and away from major thorough fares, but accompanied by a "licensed" instructor, before applying for a non-pro license (a longer wait if applying for a pro license).

Any liabilities incurred by the student (in an event of an accident) will be the responsibility of the accompanying licensed instructor. That would be the risk taken by the instructor (be it your tatay, tito, barkada, or kapitbahay). That is the same reason why we should consider enrolling in a proper driving/riding school, to be ensured that the driving school's insurance will cover any liabilities. Plus, the student would be using the school's vehicle and not the student's own vehicle. Imagine wrecking your own vehicle while learning.

[vega22]

@ malo: kelan pa sir na pede mgaturo legally ang non pro? unless may bagong order ang lto o may revision sa guidelines nila? tiga lto rin kasi source ko. dun sa sinabi mo na nag non pro puede magturo sa driving school? edi it will go against the principle of pro being profession per se? unless gratis siguro yung pagtuturo ng non pro sa driving school? dun sa sinasabi mong may special permit p na kukunin to teach, yan naniniwala ako,pero hindi yung sinasabi ni 3pleparusa ma basta may lisensya na puede na magturo. puede kung sa puede pero pagdumating sa legalidad gaya ng aksidente na binanggit ko sa previous post ko wala ring laban yun.