If you were the parent would you agree with your grown up son (or daughter) to ride a motorized two-wheel?

First lets put all these into perspective.

One, there is the ongoing norms that most parents would barred and disagree with their young ones (mature enough to have a valid license) in riding motorcycles with the notion that it is an unnecessary and dangerous. Maybe the parent doesn’t know how to ride bikes or had a bad experience riding one or may kilalang naaksidente na (more often that not, most accidents happen on neglect of personal safety eg. walang helmet, lasing, etc.) or maybe it’s just the norm. I would like to think that some unlearned politicians fall in this category.

Two, let me share my case. My mom is against me owning a bike much less riding it to work(but i explained and she now understand) and since I own a bike and ride it for work almost everyday for 3 years now, most of the question aside from “di ba delikado yang motor?” was “magkano ang konsumo ng gasoline mo at magkano natitipid mo?” Just to give them a fair view of my economics, I’ll share my computation and comparison so here it goes; Before, I had to ride a tricycle (P12.00), a couple of jeeps (P11.00), FX (P50.00) and LRT (P15.00) so it makes P88.00 one way, that’s P176.00 two way, multiply it by two (with my wife). So a total of P352.00 for a day’s trasport fare. Then imagine a Honda XRM 110cc with P70.00 or 2.3 liters of gasoline could take us (me and my wife) traveling to and from work not to mention the less time consumed. Compute the saving and that could buy me a lot of my family’s necessities like bigas, pang-ulam, pampers di ba? Yung pamasahe naging pampers hehehe! :D

So what the heck is the title for?

Well, im just thinking if we could come up with a better pitch, sell the concept like advertisements, like tv commercial, just like the idea of getting them (the politicians) stirred-up, yung tipong head turner ba.

We should come up with a study and show them the specific facts as to comparison between bikes and four wheel as to km. per liter ratio, positive values and advantages.

Here are the samples;

1. How many drums of precious fossil gasoline go to waste while sitting idle on congested street like EDSA. We could get sample of their (politician) own SUVs as gauge. (Kadalasan pa nga 1 o 2 lang ang sakay).
Any volunteer on gas consumption of a Ford SUV traveling the length of EDSA?

2. Make them imagine how our streets would be like if more and more are using bikes instead of smoke belching jeeps and wide buses.

3. Make them think that riding MC is less dangerous if only the law on safety would be strictly imposed.

4. Get in touch with biker-friendly lawmakers and make them pass a law that giving motorcycle owners and riders more privileges and not restrictions, on the premise that it is the alternative way on solving soaring fuel price and solution to our congested streets. (who’s that bicycle-riding congressman?)

I know there’s more and its up to you add it here.

I’m just thinking that we could end all of these bike bashing, and discrimination only if we could convince andor (less harsh) “educate” our lawmakers that riding motorcycle is a necessity in form of alternative transportation. My keyword here is necessity and the economic benefits on riding two wheels.

Mayor Topee and Mr. Wolf is right we should stand for our right, organize get the numbers, give the public and lawmakers the straight facts and break the norms.

I VOLUNTEER.

Now lets just forget about the title.

Mah mom told me once na bakit ka pa magbibike e pwede ka naman mag jeep o mag bus, tapos nung nakita nya benefits ng bisikleta hehehehe hindi na nya ulit binatikos ang pagbibisikleta ko. And yung congressman na nagbibisikleta si congressman Way Kurat po yun. Ang hirap sa bansa kasi natin masyadong image concious haaaay kailan kaya tayo magbabago????

Well said!

I hope the "advertising" strategy works.

I remember an article in a newspaper saying bakit dine sa bansa natin andaming naka SUV na sobrang takaw sa gasolina at sobrang laki? very simple kung ano ang uso sa states dapat maging uso din dito. hehehehehe imagine guys a 4'11 drivin a SUV na 100 beses ang laki nya hehehehehe wala lang I remember sa Europe hindi naapreciate ng mga tao ang SUV from states dahil ang liit liit ng mga kalye sa Europe and ang mahal mahal na ng gas ngayon kaya mas prefer nila ang maliliit na kotse, motorcycles at bisikleta. Haaay pinoy nga naman

daming nag view ah...

tabi tabi po.... sorry po dun sa thread title gusto ko lang pong i point out na yung kaakit akit na PR o ang isang nakakaenganyo pamagat ay nakatawag maraming pansin at maari ring sa ganitong paraan mapupuna ang ating mga gustong iparating (pero di ko sinasabing gumagawa ng iskandalo para lang mapansin) :O .

PR

Napakalaking factor ito to further our cause in which case dehadong dehado talaga tayo kase kaliwat kanan ang tira sa atin (bikers) at major TV networks pa very recently nga yung "Emergency" tapos yung "Backride Ban" sa QC. Pero kung tayo'y may mapapakitang pinag-aralang katibayan na makabubuti at makakatulong talaga ang ating pinaglalaban e sa tingin ko papasa yan sa ating mga mambabatas. (kase yan ang gustong gusto nila (pulitikos) yung isusubo mo na lang yung facts and figures tapos pag dating sa session palitan lang ng pangalan nila, presto... sila na ang nakaisip)

Bilib ako sa mga nagsusulong maalis ang Tollway ban... mabuhay kayo!!!

@Eikichi

yup c congressman Way Kurat nga pala yun! congressman pa rin ba sya?

@kompressor

Alam mo naman dito sa atin sa Pinas sabi nga nila "Image is everything".

maski nga walang laman i-package mo ng maganda bibilhin. Kaya nga maraming naloloko.

tataas pa yta ng 2 pesos ang pamasahe...bottomline folks, MC's are energy and cost-efficient. if more restrictions are enforced, it simply means govt does not want us to save. officials should focus more on the contributions and benefits of MC's and not on the misconceptions.that way, they would further understand the issues of safety and criminality to which some people unfairly associate with MC's and MC riders.

Isang makulit na pala-isipan lang.

Pano kaya kung isang araw magising tayo na mga puting foriegners na ang gumagamit ng 110cc XRM, Shogun Pro or underbone Lifan at 50cc Honda Dio kase nauso sa Amerika. Would it make diffrence?? sa tingin mo?

Baka pagbawal na nila ang lahat four wheels maliban sa ambulansya at karo ng patay :D :D :bouncy:

I personally commend this idea.

Somebody may develop a data collection/survey and data analysis methodology to come up with a paper and eventually a publication concerning comparative economic benefits between two wheel and four wheel vehicles. Alongside, a brochure or flyer may also be produced for the general public.

Any volunteer? :)

im sure previous conventions of various MC orgs have raised this issue. pertinent data and stats are even made available in this website. collective efforts on promoting skills and safety on mc riding are being initiated.sana nmn, those who make ordinances should take time to study these data...at sana din, ma-appreciate nila yung contributions ng MC community.

im sure previous conventions of various MC orgs have raised this issue. pertinent data and stats are even made available in this website. collective efforts on promoting skills and safety on mc riding are being initiated.sana nmn, those who make ordinances should take time to study these data...at sana din, ma-appreciate nila yung contributions ng MC community.


tumpak bro! and we still need a perfect pitch.

Fact:

Mas mataas o mas madami ang bumibili at nagmamaneho ng motorsiklo ngayon unang semestre ng taon kumpara noong isang taon (maaring doble pa)

Whats the point?

Maaring makabago ng pananaw nung mga maykapangyarihan pag makita nila ang talaan ng aktual na gumagamit at nagpapatronahe ng MC at kunan ng opinyon ang mga dealers kung ano sa tingin nila kung bakit ganon karami ang demand (pamporma ba, pampasada ba or simply makaka tipid talaga in terms of gasoline consumption)
Pwede natin kunin ang suporta ng ibat-ibang dealers and retailers ng mga motor upang makita natin ang tunay na bilang ng kanilang sales at para mapagkumparahan.

I personally commend this idea.

Somebody may develop a data collection/survey and data analysis methodology to come up with a paper and eventually a publication concerning comparative economic benefits between two wheel and four wheel vehicles. Alongside, a brochure or flyer may also be produced for the general public.

Any volunteer? :)

am taking up economics in my masters and i am already considering the said topic.. ang siste nga lang, medyo gahol sa data... pero dont worry, i will try to do a paper on this.. probably my thesis na din if papayagan ng mga professors ko.. i think it is a good topic, considering the economic impact of two wheels in the whole economy...

i may need the support of our fellow riders in doing this..

PR

Napakalaking factor ito to further our cause in which case dehadong dehado talaga tayo kase kaliwat kanan ang tira sa atin (bikers) at major TV networks pa very recently nga yung "Emergency" tapos yung "Backride Ban" sa QC. Pero kung tayo'y may mapapakitang pinag-aralang katibayan na makabubuti at makakatulong talaga ang ating pinaglalaban e sa tingin ko papasa yan sa ating mga mambabatas. (kase yan ang gustong gusto nila (pulitikos) yung isusubo mo na lang yung facts and figures tapos pag dating sa session palitan lang ng pangalan nila, presto... sila na ang nakaisip)

Bilib ako sa mga nagsusulong maalis ang Tollway ban... mabuhay kayo!!!

@Eikichi

yup c congressman Way Kurat nga pala yun! congressman pa rin ba sya?

@kompressor

Alam mo naman dito sa atin sa Pinas sabi nga nila "Image is everything".

maski nga walang laman i-package mo ng maganda bibilhin. Kaya nga maraming naloloko.

Nah alam ko hindi na I think pinopromote nya ang paggamit ng 2 wheels as an alternative use. Ang hirap kasi dine sa atin minsan gusto kaagad mafeel ang luxury kahit wala nang makain basta may panload o panggas sa sasakyan ok na. Pero hindi nila nalalaman na ang matagal nang haka hakang delikadong alternatibo ang syang makakatulong sa kanila para umunlad at umayos ang kabuhayan. haaaay pinas nga naman

am taking up economics in my masters and i am already considering the said topic.. ang siste nga lang, medyo gahol sa data... pero dont worry, i will try to do a paper on this.. probably my thesis na din if papayagan ng mga professors ko.. i think it is a good topic, considering the economic impact of two wheels in the whole economy...

i may need the support of our fellow riders in doing this..

Bait mo naman bro! :hug: It would be a big help. Suportahan taka.
:cheers:

We already have some very detailed reports thanks to James but more reports and more help is always welcome.

Maybe this could help:

I would loved to watch a friendly competition that would emphasize not only on bike speed and but giving more weight on fuel efficiency para bang "MC Extreme Tipid Challenge".

Pwedeng ganito gawin;

- Each challenger in its class (50 cc, 110 cc, 125cc and up...) would race in a circuit with a determined amount of fuel and whoever finish first with more laps on less fuel won the race. (medyo complicated yung suggestion ko pero yung mga sanay sa mga race e sana makaisip ng idea kung papano magiging feasible to)

Mas medyo wild;

-Pwede ring natin gawin sa ating kalsada ito just to show it on practical application parang "Amazing Race", each challenger would start let say somewhere in Bicol, then same din, whoever comes first to Luneta Grandstand (finish line) with less fuel consumption won the race.

Syempre dapat full safety gears lahat ng challengers.

We'll make sure these event would get full media coverage.

Take note: they're doing it on four wheels why not gawin natin sa two wheels.(last year nanalo yata ISUZU Crosswind..sorry im not sure)

In this way we could demonstrate how fuel efficient a certain type of MC and show to the skeptic public (sama na yung mga mambabatas) ang benepisyo ng motorsiklo.

With all the help of experts mechanics and all upgrades and add-ons (eg: KHAOS, modified parts etc) It could stir-up the innovative imagination nung mga techies at mekaniko dyan na mahilig mag-setup.

Imagine, you're bike's running on 90-140kph doing 70km per liter. Manila to Famy Laguna yun ah.

If all this mag ma-materialized di na ko magugulat.

am taking up economics in my masters and i am already considering the said topic.. ang siste nga lang, medyo gahol sa data... pero dont worry, i will try to do a paper on this.. probably my thesis na din if papayagan ng mga professors ko.. i think it is a good topic, considering the economic impact of two wheels in the whole economy...

i may need the support of our fellow riders in doing this..

bro, just let me know kung magte-take off na ang research mo, maybe i can help in methodology development since I am involved in research activities here in UP diliman.

As a short term objective, a flyer or a brochure, with figures like graphs of relationships between potential factors in your research will be nice. Then eventually, we can lay down scientific facts and bases for our law makers to look at before proposing one. The problem in our place is that, most substantial papers were just left in the archives and publications but never utilized as what they should be. But at least we do our part as responsible riders and a concerned citizen.

Sirs,


Can you please form a research group for the motorcycle community? We need tons of data if we are going to communicate effectively.

While we know we are correct, we need scientific evidence, statistics to back up our claims.

If the group is formalized, the group can link up with MAP. I'll bring up the matter of forming the research group at the National Directorate meeting of the MCPF.

Whoever does the research should communicate with James. We have mountains of statistics, reports and research data from the last 6 years of fighting the freeways ban. Some of it is published on MCP but there is much more.

Some will be out of date maybe and there will be areas we didn't cover but do be sure to liase with James to avoid duplication of effort.

I like the idea of a competition to see who can get the best fuel efficiency :D

Nice idea mayor_bandido...

thanks sir Frank!

Sana mag materialize ito, Maganda ito.

we could converge a group, a small group to do this research and analyze all the data that MAp has already in their hands.. lets work on this.. this would further our cause as riders...

i hope someone would take the lead for this research.. paper, thesis proposal.. just specify the date and i would come.

WE need all the help we could get and yes coordination.

MAP has the blueprint on research and statistics we just need to read through them and review para nga di na madoble trabaho. (di ko pa rin nababasa, available po ba dito sa MCP yung mga details :D). Together with Smashgear, NanoSpeed and the guys out there whose willing to volunteer i may say, its a responsibility worth taking.


There were people whose effort spark the torch and carry it , it is time for us to share the load.

i hope someone would take the lead for this research.. paper, thesis proposal.. just specify the date and i would come.

that would be a nice idea. pwede ka ba sir? :bouncy:

let's make a hub out of this site, say kunin natin ang kopya ng stats and research paper ng MAP (kung papayag ha) from there gawa tayo ng framework then data gathering tayo lahat ng inputs lagay natin dito para maengganyo naman kahit yung mga napapadaan lang.
I delegate mo lang yung ibang pwedeng i-research sa kalsada like type of particular MC, specific consumption from town to town, variable speed, limits, etc.

Im willing to volunteer my extra time, pasabi ka lang. :cheers:

Lets make this work.