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http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/02/23/MTNN2005022329318.html

Full-face helmet regulation sought


By ANNA LIZA T. VILLAS


The increasing incidence of robbery and holdup by men riding motorcycles has prodded a Marikina City councilor to file a resolution seeking to regulate the use of full-face helmets which mask riders and prevent their identification.


"When I was still a kagawad of (Barangay) Sto. Niño, a motorcycle rider (wearing a full-face helmet) victimized a 19-year-old student and took his possession. Since then I thought of pursuing such a law to prevent those crimes," Councilor Vic Tambuli Sabiniano Jr. said the other day.

Sabiniano thus filed a resolution to regulate the use of full-face helmets which conceal the face and identity of the motorcycle rider and passenger from public view.

Marikina’s police chief, Senior Superintendent Felipe Rojas Jr., admitted that the city’s police force has recorded an average of three to four robbery incidents per week involving motorcycles and motorbikes as mode of transport.

"Using full-faced helmets and bonnets, the motorcycle riding suspects can easily run away and escape identification after robbing the victims," he added.

"Nahihiripan talaga kami sa investigation ng mga ganitong cases kasi di makilala ng mga victims ang suspects dahil nakatago ang mukha nila, considering the fact na mabilis silang makaalis at makapagtago," the chief of police said.

Robbery cases are on the rise in Barangay Concepcion Uno and Concepcion Dos, the Marikina police chief noted.

The favorite targets are people coming out of banks and students and women with cell phones, bulging purses and attractive jewelry, he continued.

"They (robbers and holdup men) usually work in tandem or groups of four, including the lookouts and spotters," he said. They usually work on sidestreets but are not averse to striking and victimizing innocent people even on main streets and highways, he went on.

Rojas admitted that a number of these robbery and holdup cases have not been solved because the victims find it difficult to identify the suspect because of their head covering, usually a bonnet, ski mask or full-face helmet.

The police chief thus expressed his full support for the passage of the resolution filed by Councilor Sabiniano.

During a recent hearing on his resolution, Sabiniano said no opposition was voiced against his plan to regulate the use of full-face helmets.

The city councilor said his plan involves the registration of such helmets which will then be assigned a number and sticker for use by a motorcycle rider whose identity and other personal data will be recorded.

He admitted, however, that some companies and motorcycle riders are expected to oppose his plan.

Ruel Lucas, a motorcycle driver and resident of the city, expressed support for the resolution because, he said, it may help solve robbery incidents in the city.

Being aware that full-faced helmets are required as safety gear, he said the resolution does not seek to prohibit the use of full-faced helmet but merely serve as a monitoring system to keep track of the motorcycle riders plying the city.

The Land Transportation Office itself has taken note of the rising cases of robberies and holdups being staged by people riding motorcycles.

The LTO issued a memorandum order recently ordering the strict implementation of the "no plate, no travel" policy, mindful of the fact that most motorcycles used in holdup and robbery cases did not carry license plates or merely bore signs saying "No Plate Available."

Stupid legislation. In my opinon this solves nothing. Have they considered the multitude of riders also passing thru marikina but are not residents? what will they do then? require everyone to register their lids? :crazy:

Whats stopping a would be goon from using another unmarked lid to do a bad deed? Havent they thought of this yet?

The city councilor said his plan involves the registration of such helmets which will then be assigned a number and sticker for use by a motorcycle rider whose identity and other personal data will be recorded.

Is this information not already recorded by the LTO when one secures a license?

KATARANTADUHAN!

Forgive me for the use of such words, pero honorable councilor sabiniano are you playing dumb or dumb at all in pursuing this act?? i have observations and here are those:

1. full face helmet are required by law and it is not just here in the philippines but all ovewr the world. if you change that law, will you be liable to persons riding motorcycle in case of a really bad accidents?? head injury perhaps??

2. why the policeman knows the modus operandi?? do they know the perpetrator?? or do they really know them?? (according to one source, mga bata-bata pa ng pulis ang iba diyan or asset)

3. reports says concepcion uno and dos are the areas which has high percentage of this crime, why dont you policeman increase the numbers of men in uniforms in that area, police visibility lessens if not eradicated the commission of crime.

4. i think these are all should be directed to the police and other authorities, is there a barangay tanod there?? napaka rami nating mga binubuong NGO's diyan like PRIMO, GUARDIANS, BANTAY-BAYAN, BANTAY-TURISTA, REACTION 166, etc. puro yan anti-crime group but where are those stupid people in times of emergencies??

5. just as i said in the other thread, kapag ipinagbawal mo ang pagsuot ng helmet para mo ng pinatay ang tao. papogi lang yata yan mr. honorable councilor?? wag naman at the expense of the motorcycle riding public. have'nt you seen the statistics? kindly ask your researcher first before doing such things, don't you think that these people (motorcyclist) are humans too??

are you anti-poor, mr. councilor? is the distinguish gentleman from marikina is a racist?? palibhasa ba naka-motor lang kami??? wag naman ganun?!! your proposal should somehow protect the public, e ba't parang pinapatay nyo na kami nyan?? did'nt ever comes in your mind na baka pagmulan pa ito ng corruption?? in the part of the traffic aide and the traffic policeman?? di ko sinasabing corrupt nga?! i'm not pointing out somebody but pleaseee....

the authorities should think siguro more and reconsider more.. besides dalawang barangay lang sa buong marikina ang apektado ng krimen, tutal anti-poor naman kayo at dine-discriminate nyo ang mga taong motor lang ang kayang sakyan... well, bakit di nyo ipasunog na lang ang buong concepcion uno at dos.. hehehe... diyan lang naman yan gumagawa ng krimen for sure dyan lang yan mga nagkukuta. hehehe.. (joke lang) but kidding aside, authorities should first think of an alternative.. hindi yung ganyan kaagad batas ang ipapasa ninyo na masyadong halata ang pag discriminate ninyo sa taong motor lang ang kayang sakyan.

PATANGGAL NYO TINT NG SASAKYAN NYO AT MGA SIRENA! yan ang matagal ng bawal sa batas. (unauthorized use of sirens)

yun lang at mabuhay ang mga motorista!

:wave: IMHO, our law enforcers should "enforce" the "no plate no travel policy." This 'marikina ordinance' is a simplistic reaction to the recent spate of criminality which they 'observe.' They forget that motocycles out number cars so in the case of majority wins... :C Hmmm...That's what plate numbers are for anyways right? What the lazy policeman has to do is to write down the plate number (from whatever carinderia he's hanging out in) and go to the LTO to identify who owns the vehicle. :C

:cheers:

Adik Ba Yang Konsehal Na Yan? Parang Walang Utak E. Kawawang Nilalang. Siguradong Hindi Na Yan Mananalo Sa Susunod Na Eleksyon. Adik!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sabi niya his just regulating the use of fullface helmet and not banning it. but while you're regulating it you are also promoting the use of open face helmet that gives minimum protection. dapat you must promote the use of helmet that gives maximum protection.

you're going to put stickers on our helmets? to hell with your stickers coz my helmet is sensitive to adhesive compounds and stickers will damage the outer shell of my helmet rendering it useless to protect my head. so if you damage my helmet, are you going to pay for it? HA!

yup, mga bro! di tama yun! bakit, yung mga holdaper ng bangko na naka-kotse (tinted or not) nahuhuli ba nila????? ung holdaper ng jeep dyan sa marikina, kaharap mo na ala pang helmet yan pero di mo alam holdaper pala. yung mga mandurukot nka-helmet ba yun???? tingnan muna nila ung statistics ng krimen nila bago sabihin na iyon na yung solusyon. iba ang crime related incidents dun sa talagang pinagmumulan ng krimen....

no plate no ride na lang dapat ang ipatupad nila ng husto. Paranoid na yang konsehal na yan. baka biktima ng mga robbers, nakuha pustiso na may ginto.

e dami dami ng pulis na nakatunganga lang :i , sa knila dapat isisi yan at hindi sa helmet ko na hindi pwede lagyan ng stickers, at sa balaclava ko na kontra baho ng helmet.

imho, police visibility lng ang kailangan dyan. matitino na police. kung di nila mahabol.... ano ginagawa nung mga riders na pulis.. hindi yung ganitong resolution. :(

[QUOTE=r_castanas
4. i think these are all should be directed to the police and other authorities, is there a barangay tanod there?? napaka rami nating mga binubuong NGO's diyan like PRIMO, GUARDIANS, BANTAY-BAYAN, BANTAY-TURISTA, REACTION 166, etc. puro yan anti-crime group but where are those stupid people in times of emergencies?? [/QUOTE]

bro,

dahan-dahan sa pananalita at sa pag generalize ng mga tao. hindi mo naman ata kilala ang mga taong volunteer sa mga grupong nabanggit. these are volunteers - unpaid and they do this on their free time - i should know, i'm a member of a group but not one of those mentioned above. ang pinaka importante sa crime prevention eh ang taong bayan - if they do not help and be part of the solution, i guess they contribute to the problem when they shrug off crimes being committed that they have witnessed. kapag ganito at nilalahat mo na ang pagkakamali ng isa, hindi ka na naiiba sa nagpanukala ng ordinansa na iyan...dahan-dahan lang at konting breathing excercises. wag tayong padala sa emosyon o galit kasi nawawala ang ating objectivity at tact.

levis,

baka pwede mong pakiusapan si sir rls (kasama mo naman siya sa mib) baka pwedeng paliwanagan ang konseho ng marikina ng MAP. konting paliwanag lang sa nabubulagang konsehal.

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yes indeed, this is a stupid ordinance but we should not just rant about it - let's take action. let's make them see clearer - that they are very near sighted and are too close to the problem to see the bigger picture.

it is so funny that we, simple common citizens that we are could afford to have better ideas than the people we voted to represent us...

safe riding, y'all!

......"Nahihiripan talaga kami sa investigation ng mga ganitong cases kasi di makilala ng mga victims ang suspects dahil nakatago ang mukha nila, considering the fact na mabilis silang makaalis at makapagtago," the chief of police said.

Robbery cases are on the rise in Barangay Concepcion Uno and Concepcion Dos, the Marikina police chief noted."

] thats the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Kung hindi pala sila mga tanga.... Kung ayaw nila mahirapan.... Mag resign sila at mag stay sa bahay at manood ng TV, mag dama or makipag inuman!!! Mga ******* sila. Trabaho nila yon at hindi reasonable na na tayo ang maapektuhan.[/COLOR]

Sana they would concentrate more on the root of the crime hindi yung kung anu-ano ang naiisip nila. Pardon me for my language on my previous posts. Nadala ng damdamin e.

INUTIL

BOBO


What next taking away the rights of our Muslim sisters to remove the covers on their faces?.

Payo ko lang sa nag pasimuno ng kwentong kutsero ("regulation") na yan...

1) Educate yourself first (I mean really!)

2) Surround yourself with intelligent/honest people to guide you specially in these matters and not only financial.

ANAK NG PITUMPUT PITONG TUPA!
BAKIT YUNG HELMET ANG PAGDIDISKITAHAN!

Guys,

I already started a thread in the below mentioned url.

Kindly visit it and we can send them our sentiments.

Marikina City Forum (http://www.marikina.gov.ph/mrknaforum/forum/index)

Nawa'y patnubayan tayo ng MAYKAPAL sa ating paglalakbay.

Scooter Boyz

In so many cases of what we read or what we see i think let the councilors of marikina to find the best way to eradicate this menace of the society. we know for the fact that recently incidents happen is on the motorcycle riders who happen to make bad things... like holdap, shooting other people and many of this cases wearing their fullface with tinted cover. alam natin ito! kaya tuloy ang kawawa dito tayong mga legitimate bikers, for my own view and personal opinion i supposed that wearing half face helmet is not bad at all and we know that, So likewise here in baguio im confident to wear my half face even if my bike is 650cc anyway driving your Bike 20 to 40kph inside the city are still safe. I think it is our own decition which one is more comfortable to use. well in manila i supposed its better to use half face coz i believe its more comfortable compare to fullface helmet when i was in manila i did'nt use my full face helmet kasi nga mainit but if i travel outside back going back to baguio i used my full face coz im running more than 60kph yung nga lang medyo hastle i need to bring my half face too. now its seems to me then i believe also (Councilors) should look once again the wisdom of this Ordinance . And also if i may suggest to all councilors of Marikina to have a dialog or make a Public hearing before they imposed of this ordinance once and for all para lahat be happy...again let the majority voice to be heared!!!

Hmmmm :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Checkpoint lang po ang katapat nyan. Parahin nila lahat ng nalamotor at inspeksyunin ang kanilang mga kagamitan, ang mahulihan ng unlicensed fire arm or deadly weapon. Ikulong agad, hwag naman yung " No plate No travel policy" kasi para na rin nating sinuportahan ang katamaran ng LTO sa baaaaaagggggaaaalll maglabas ng plate number ng motor ( ala pa rin kasing plate number ang motor ko eh :S :O ). Isa rin sa factor kung bakit tumataas ang krimen dyan sa Marikina ay dahil sa kapabayaan ng mga mababait na pulis dyan ( CHIEF NG POLICE DYAN! HOY GISING!!!!) ala ka bang initiative??? tumataas na ang krimen dyan sa Marikina, ano na ba ang hakbang mo para mabawasan yan? Ang lakas pa ng loob mo na sabihin sa media na wala ka ring magawa sa mga hoodlums na nakamotor!!! tsk tsk tsk! MAGRETIRE KA NA!!! MAAWA KA NAMAN SA MARIKINA!!! :I :I :I

A lot has been said and a lot of emotions has been expressed. but here are some points that the council needs to address.

1. how can we assure that the law abiding motorcycle riders be safe. and if they get into any accidents will the council be ready for lawsuits?
2. We are very much aware that we have bad apples and they are expoliting the advantage of not being identified . Wrong identify the bike and you will catch the culprit. we have a lot of riders groups, enlist their help.
3. mr ruel lucas is a rider i believe he knows what i mean.
4. I believe mr rojas jr. knows the basics of good police work. active presence deters criminals. here in saudi arabia, you can be sure every 10 minutes a police patrol comes by. in the philippine setting with high traffic why not use motorcycle riding police. beat them in their game.
5. educate the public to possitively identify the bike, stickers, color any particular identifying marks.
6. Strickly enforce the no plate no travel and also pressure the dealers to release the plate of thier customers ASAp. i believe two weeks is the maximum.
7. Any law abiding rider will gladly submit to checking if checkpoints were to be setup.
8. regarding registration of helmets? doesnt the LTO have the records of the motorcycle?
9. To Sir zkecherzz, Riding at 20 khp won't guaranty your facial skin will be retained in a spill.

IMHO..... :*

mga tol, hindi talaga safe mag half face. Me nakasunod akong skut, cguro 10kph lang takbo, kalalabas lang kasi ng gas station. Ewan ko kung bakit pero biglang sumemplang, ayon gasgas ang mukha. So, checkpoint lang talaga ang klangan hindi ung ipahamak ung mga riders. Bobo talaga ung nagmungkahi ng ordinance na yan. Patakbuhin yan ng matulin sa motor na naka arenola, tignan natin kung safe nga.

for my own view and personal opinion i supposed that wearing half face helmet is not bad at all and we know that,


zkecherzz,

:) I totally agree that half face helmet is not bad, at least, :g until an accident occurs which involves your jaw hitting the pavement.

Just rode today to Real, Quezon. My brother took a spill on his Honda Dio. Low side, but he was thrown away from the bike (their path resembling a letter V) my brother tried to roll (just like what stunt men do) to land safely instead his jaw hit the asphalt, hard. Good thing he had a full face helmet and it took most of the impact. Though the helmet, specifically that area where half face helmets doesn't have, was shattered, his jaw and spirit is still intact. Maybe this one can be a valid reason to those people in Marikina.

Will be posting a photo of the helmet later.

Nawa'y patnubayan tayo ng MAYKAPAL sa ating paglalabay.

Scooter Boyz

yeah, an open face is not too bad but it gives minimum protection to your face. when you take a spill, it's with your side. the next thing is you'll roll, either to your back or front. worst, if you rolled on your front coz the spill will drag your headpart if you don't have the protection for your face, there would not be a face to see anymore.
well, it's not bad if you always roll on your back or land on your back. coz the back of your head is protected. so how would you roll on your back or land on your back when the accident dictates that you fall on your face or the momentum rolls you on your front?