I was going home, friday 2-3 weeks ago around 8pm.

I took a left turn from E. Rodriguez to Gilmore Ave, suddenly I saw 3 Cop cars and I, sorry I mean CROC asked me to pull over.
They were stopping ALL riders passing by..

2 cops asked me to open my U-Box, according to them someone on a motorcycle shot a cop earlier in the area.
So I opened my U-Box (I am aware I can refuse), they asked me "may dala ka ba", so smiled and said "no, of course not".

Then they asked for my license and registration so i showed them, then they claimed that my CR wasnt a CR,and that said the fine is 1,500 (I know this is not true but i played along) for failure of presenting CR.

Then they asked me "ano gusto mo gawin"? It was very clear that they were after a bribe. I said it was up to them, but I dont have the money..so i asked them three times to just write the ticket (i know they arent going to, even if they do i can have it contested)..

Then they said, ok, give us 750 nalang...I said sorry, konti lang ang pera ko eh..just give me a ticket..they asked how much I have, I said 60 pesos (even though I had 500 in my small pocket..)

Then they said "OK NA YAN".

So I gave them 60 pesos and drove home..

Haha, The police on this country is such a JOKE! They are a disgrace! I knew this before but this is my first time I had to deal with them personally.

So I never take Gilmore ave going home anymore, they always hang out at Gilmore Ave corner E. Rodriguez..

So be beware, avoid taking that way, specially in the evening..

I could have given them a hard time but I acted stupid so i would get away with 60 pesos, its not worth the trouble arguing with them..

And btw, I look like foreigner (im half white) so its harder for me to deal with them, but i only spoke tagalog with the cops..

Im just so disappointed in the Police in this country, harrasing people so they can have some extra money, they are actually stealing and should be behind bars themselves, 90 % of them.

Best Regards,

Pauli

and yet you still gave them the bribe money.

Yup, I did.. Maybe I should have stood firm on mine, but being surrounded by a bunch of cops at my first-time experience is a bit tough, it simply not worth the hassle, i wouldnt get out of it..

And btw, its not I bribe if i didnt have a violation in the first place..

I admire people who refuse to give up any money though..

Its not easy being white in this country :-)

Then they asked for my license and registration so i showed them, then they claimed that my CR wasnt a CR,and that said the fine is 1,500 (I know this is not true but i played along) for failure of presenting CR.
May i ask, what was the paper that you have showed them? Its not a copy of your bike's CR then?

dapat pinanindigan mo na magpa ticket ka na lang.:eek:I was going home, friday 2-3 weeks ago around 8pm.

I took a left turn from E. Rodriguez to Gilmore Ave, suddenly I saw 3 Cop cars and I, sorry I mean CROC asked me to pull over.
They were stopping ALL riders passing by..

2 cops asked me to open my U-Box, according to them someone on a motorcycle shot a cop earlier in the area.
So I opened my U-Box (I am aware I can refuse), they asked me "may dala ka ba", so smiled and said "no, of course not".

Then they asked for my license and registration so i showed them, then they claimed that my CR wasnt a CR,and that said the fine is 1,500 (I know this is not true but i played along) for failure of presenting CR.

Then they asked me "ano gusto mo gawin"? It was very clear that they were after a bribe. I said it was up to them, but I dont have the money..so i asked them three times to just write the ticket (i know they arent going to, even if they do i can have it contested)..

Then they said, ok, give us 750 nalang...I said sorry, konti lang ang pera ko eh..just give me a ticket..they asked how much I have, I said 60 pesos (even though I had 500 in my small pocket..)

Then they said "OK NA YAN".

So I gave them 60 pesos and drove home..

Haha, The police on this country is such a JOKE! They are a disgrace! I knew this before but this is my first time I had to deal with them personally.

So I never take Gilmore ave going home anymore, they always hang out at Gilmore Ave corner E. Rodriguez..

So be beware, avoid taking that way, specially in the evening..

I could have given them a hard time but I acted stupid so i would get away with 60 pesos, its not worth the trouble arguing with them..

And btw, I look like foreigner (im half white) so its harder for me to deal with them, but i only spoke tagalog with the cops..

Im just so disappointed in the Police in this country, harrasing people so they can have some extra money, they are actually stealing and should be behind bars themselves, 90 % of them.

Best Regards,

Pauli

Yup, I did.. Maybe I should have stood firm on mine, but being surrounded by a bunch of cops at my first-time experience is a bit tough, it simply not worth the hassle, i wouldnt get out of it..

And btw, its not I bribe if i didnt have a violation in the first place..

I admire people who refuse to give up any money though..

Its not easy being white in this country :-)

sige, tatagalogin ko nalang, "naglagay" pa rin kayo. hehe. wala lang, nanghihinayang lang ako kasi that could've been a great case to file against them,, lalo na tong ganitong napakalantaran at garapal na ang pangongotong. tsk tsk. dapat kasi yun mga kriminal ang hinuhuli, hindi yun inosente. sabagay.. mas madali nga naman huliin ang taong hindi nagtatago o tumatakas kesa sa mga kriminal. haha. easy way out nga naman.

Wolver888, I showed the Certificate of registration (CR) from LTO that has all the details of the bike, I also showed my OR.

Best regards

Pauli

Don_19,

If I actually think I could get them in trouble I would do something, but im not sure what i could have done :-)

Wolver888, I showed the Certificate of registration (CR) from LTO that has all the details of the bike, I also showed my OR.

Best regards

Pauli
I see ... then you do have the right to stand firm against what they say it wasn't the real CR. But as you have said, you just tried avoiding more waste of your time with them
But next time, try to insist if it happens again, challenge them, if you are sure that you have the correct CR, most of the time they backout from that, and try to just let you go so as to not waste their time with you too. If they realize you know what you are talking about, they backout, if your face shows a doubt, then they will be over you.:O

Wolver888,

Maybe your right, but I didnt want to risk it..

Personally i dont care about 60 pesos, but I guess I should refuse to give anything..

It was hard as there were so many of them in a dark street :O

I see ... then you do have the right to stand firm against what they say it wasn't the real CR. But as you have said, you just tried avoiding more waste of your time with them
But next time, try to insist if it happens again, challenge them, if you are sure that you have the correct CR, most of the time they backout from that, and try to just let you go so as to not waste their time with you too.:O

usually ganito nga ang nangyayari sakin e. pero ang ginagawa ko minsan lalo na pag hindi naman ako guilty of any violation. "hindi sir, sabi nyo may violation ako e, nasayang tuloy oras ko tapos ngayon pakakawalan nyo lang ako? cge na tiketan nyo ko ng makita natin kun ano ba talaga gusto nyo, posisyon o trabaho" haha. minsan lang naman nangyayari to, pero kasi ang point ko, kapag tama ka, mamaya na yun mga kapit, back up atbp, basta pag tama ka, dapat maging matapang ka dahil kun hindi ikaw, sino pa ang magtatanggol sa sarili mo? ah honga pala,, yun pera mo. :O pero pag may violation ka, aba,, magkumbaba kna lang,, pero on the same note, wag ka pa rin maglagay kun maaari. parang mga aso yan e, kapag sinanay mo ng ganun,, edi ganun. hehe. huhuhu. 1k ang multa ng no plate no travel ko. haha. first tiket ko yun. pinagmamalaki ko lang. haha. jowk. :O :crazy:

ganyan talaga sa QC. Specially at night. I dont mind checkpoint... para sa atin din kasi ito.

pero karamihan kasi, checkpoint kotong din... :o may magic lang kasi ako sa QC kaya di tinatalo ng karamihan. Pero minsan natatapat sa talagang gutom! wala ko magawa... ayaw mag ticket eh... impound or lagay. hayyyyy....

kakaunti nalang ang mga tinuturing na totoong naglikingkod ngayon..
ultimo PO1, marunong na...

Wolver888,

Maybe your right, but I didnt want to risk it..

Personally i dont care about 60 pesos, but I guess I should refuse to give anything..

It was hard as there were so many of them in a dark street :O
Well, there is no risk there ... assuming you have the right CR, hehehe.
Since you'll be living here, try to be stubborn sometimes ... as long as you are 101% sure you are right, hehehe.:D

But if there are instances you learned they are right ... well, no comment, hehehe ...

Andun uli sila last night, dyan kse way ko pauwi almost everyday eh.. pero kagabi meron naman silang sign na "STOP POLICE CHECKPOINT" pero hindi ako pinara.. naka-kumpol kase sila sa isang sulok parang mga tambay lang sila sa kanto..

kakaunti nalang ang mga tinuturing na totoong naglikingkod ngayon..
ultimo PO1, marunong na...



madalas ung po1 ang malakas ang loob heheheh

ndi po lahat madalas lang

May araw din yang mga pulis na yan.:evil:

Im just so disappointed in the Police in this country, harrasing people so they can have some extra money, they are actually stealing and should be behind bars themselves, 90 % of them.

they can't be called pinoy police if they weren't crooked.
it's included na yata sa system nila to abuse civilians :)

And btw, I look like foreigner (im half white) so its harder for me to deal with them, but i only spoke tagalog with the cops..

ha? how is that? mistiso as you look as you said..hmm..doesnt mean to make any harder..how? if you dont mind me asking.

Hi Leshlhanl,

Well, I actually look pure caucasian, my Filipino roots dont really show, so to the police Im like a foreigner who speaks Tagalog, i grew up abroad, only came back a few years ago..People usually are shocked when they hear me speaking in Tagalog..

Basically when cops see a white guy they see a $ sign. Surprised i got away with 60 pesos actually, if i didnt speak tagalog i dont think i would..

You can say i get different treatment then regular pinoys, some cases worse treatment, some better..

I dont know, maybe its hard to get if you havent experienced it..

Best regards

Pauli

What exactly is admirable about refusing to pony up your hard earned cash to a bunch of police trying to fleece you?

A trumped up claim is still trumped up, very unwise to pay, you did nothing wrong, end of story.

What exactly would you call your payment then? It is ILLEGAL for the police to accept money from the general public without handing over an official receipt. You have nothing to fear, the police have virtually no rights what so ever. Perhaps an example. It's not uncommon for the police (in the provinces especially) to ask for your photograph at checkpoints. I refuse this and then spend the next 15 minutes being questioned on why I would refuse. They will lie, they will say it's standard procedure, they will do what ever it takes to get your photograph, but the best thing to do is say "Right, are you done now? If you have nothing else, I'm leaving" - then get on your bike and go. if they have something more to say, they will say it. (They are not allowed to touch you, so don't feel like they are going to grab you)

Cellphone, voice recorder, on.

Next time don't wimp out. Minus a million points for opening your U-Box too. They are on a fishing expedition, nothing more, nothing less, so yes, you should have stood firm.

And yes, I can say this to you - I'm Australian, lilly white all over. Particularly my backside.

Maybe we should get together over a beer or something and discuss these little annoyances. Not many people will stand up to the police, but when you let them know that you are aware of your rights, they'll cave every time. Cheeky buggers.

Yup, I did.. Maybe I should have stood firm on mine, but being surrounded by a bunch of cops at my first-time experience is a bit tough, it simply not worth the hassle, i wouldnt get out of it..

And btw, its not I bribe if i didnt have a violation in the first place..

I admire people who refuse to give up any money though..

Its not easy being white in this country :-)

Hi Leshlhanl,

Well, I actually look pure caucasian, my Filipino roots dont really show, so to the police Im like a foreigner who speaks Tagalog, i grew up abroad, only came back a few years ago..People usually are shocked when they hear me speaking in Tagalog..

Basically when cops see a white guy they see a $ sign. Surprised i got away with 60 pesos actually, if i didnt speak tagalog i dont think i would..

You can say i get different treatment then regular pinoys, some cases worse treatment, some better..

I dont know, maybe its hard to get if you havent experienced it..

Best regards

Pauli

use it as your weapon sir. don't speak tagalog. make their nose bleed, ika nga. haha. speak purely in english and act as if you can't speak tagalog. and while doing so, insist that you are right, especially if you know you're right. like i said, kun talagang tama ka, then why did you back down? hehe. anyway, tapos na yun. what's done is done, hindi na natin mababago yun. pero next time try nyo sir na mag pure and fluent english kayo. tingnan lang natin kun gano kadali sa kanila sabihin ang salitang "bribe" hehe. btw, i also don't look pinoy. more korean or chinese.

Classified,

thanks for your post.

I guess i am not confident enough in my rights and was caught off guard, i took the easy but wrong way out by giving my 60 pesos..

I have tried to educate myself on reading on this forum but it seems like people claim this and that but cant really document it..

A question for you: Is there any loophole the police can use to check the ubox without permission or a warrant? Like if there was a shootout and they are looking for the suspects riding a bike?

What is the worst that can happen if I refuse to open my ubox and refuse to accept a ticket?

And should i take note of the badgenumber of the officers?

Best regards

Pauli

Hi Don_19,

thanks for the answer..

I have actually gotten opposite advise from a lot of people, they say dont speak any english.. I even know cases were police plant evidence so they can arrest the person and squiez money from the foreigner at the police station! And this I know has happen, not just something i have heard..

But thanks for the advise :-)


Best Regards

Pauli

Classified,

thanks for your post.

I guess i am not confident enough in my rights and was caught off guard, i took the easy but wrong way out by giving my 60 pesos..

I have tried to educate myself on reading on this forum but it seems like people claim this and that but cant really document it..

A question for you: Is there any loophole the police can use to check the ubox without permission or a warrant? Like if there was a shootout and they are looking for the suspects riding a bike?
What is the worst that can happen if I refuse to open my ubox and refuse to accept a ticket?

And should i take note of the badgenumber of the officers?

Best regards

Pauli

they need a warant, a search warant to be exact to be able to force you to open your ubox. without it, they are not even allowed to touch any piece or parts of your vehicle.
the one i underlined in red, this is considered as a generalization and discrimination. bakit, porket nagkashoot out at nagkamotor, lahat na ng nka motor ay suspect? no way. same as cages, a car used for bank robbery for example. to be able to be issued this kind of warrant, dapat may details na sila kun anong sasakyan ang hinahanap nila, only then siguro magiging justified ang paghinto nila sa certain cars na magmamatch sa description. i said discrimination kasi siguro underbone at lahat sila ay "magkakamuka" so to say, but nonetheless, hindi pa rin sapat na basehan ito para pahintoin lahat. in short, they can't force you to do anything unless they have a warrant and they aren't even allowed to do anything without a mission order.

that's my knowledge about your question. hehe. sorry, hindi po ako si sir classified. =b

Hehe Don,

Thanks for the answer, next time I will stand firm on that i have done nothing wrong!

Hehe Don,

Thanks for the answer, next time I will stand firm on that i have done nothing wrong!

and if you're 101% sure na tama ka and you've done no wrongs (for that alleged violation) it would be helpful also if you tell them that you would contest the said ticket. ajudication office is where you'll do this, and i believe that it would also be better if you don't sign the ticket if you're gonna contest it. somebody please clarify this. yes, it's a doble jeopardy (multiple violation) but if you win, the win will be bigger, plus i beleive that someone told me before that it would be easier for you to contest if you didn't sign the ticket (which is considered as a sign of agreement also with the alleged violation) again, somebody clarify this please. hehe. but do take note also that when these cops, traffic enforcer or other law people hear the word "contest" or "ajudication office", they either back down, or you just hit their nerves. haha. but again, if you're right, please do fight for your right. :*

Classified,

thanks for your post.

I guess i am not confident enough in my rights and was caught off guard, i took the easy but wrong way out by giving my 60 pesos..

I have tried to educate myself on reading on this forum but it seems like people claim this and that but cant really document it..

A question for you: Is there any loophole the police can use to check the ubox without permission or a warrant? Like if there was a shootout and they are looking for the suspects riding a bike?

What is the worst that can happen if I refuse to open my ubox and refuse to accept a ticket?

And should i take note of the badgenumber of the officers?

Best regards

Pauli

Hiya, the absolute worst that can happen is they waste about 30 minutes of your time asking exactly the same questions over and over "Why don't you want to open it? If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?" - they might even get their 'commander' to come over and insist that it's the rule of law, or that their station boss said they have to do it, though in such cases it's easier to say "You need a search warrant, have you got one?" - they'll quiet down pretty quick after that.

Another choice phrase is "Am I under arrest for something? Yes? No?" - make them answer you point blank. They are not allowed to harass you in any way, so if they have nothing (and they have nothing), then you're free to leave. If you ask these questions, expect to be answered with silence or a snide comment about you knowing your rights. Both of these are as good as a "You are free to go"

Technically you can file a complaint against them for wasting your time, they are meant to be quick about any encounter. Best bet is to make them show you their ID and then photograph it up close. Once they understand what you are doing they get all antsy and send you on your way.

If they hold me up any longer than about 10 minutes I start asking to see their ID's and start taking their pictures. (Fortunately that's legal, an irritation for them though)

You are innocent until proven guilty. They need a whole bunch more to go on than "we are looking for suspects" - me, I'd tell them I'm going to file a complaint for false accusations and presumption of guilt. They are held to very high standards which is kind of odd given the public impression they often give - behind the scenes a judge is about 80% likely to terminate their employment for gross violation of a whole bunch of different laws - the most they can do is look at your papers and check your face matches the pictures.

Be prepared to actually go through with the threats, it wont cost you much more than a half a day filing the paperwork, annoying, but every time someone stands up for their rights, it reminds them not to screw over the public.

Don_19 is spot on in his assessment, actually he said it much better than I did! :-)

Hi Classified,

Great post, thanks!

May i ask where in Metro Manila do you live?

Best regards

Pauli

sometimes it's smarter to just act stupid but smart enough to shed just a little, let's face it, these guys are really for the money and they will do everything to let you choke some bucks. I had my experiences as well, stood my ground took me 3hrs of my precious time and what did I get in return? more monetary losses due to lost time.

I tried to act stupid at one time at Pasay, along Tramo, time it took was only 2 mins and 20 pesos, no big deal.

:)

You are innocent until proven guilty. They need a whole bunch more to go on than "we are looking for suspects" - me, I'd tell them I'm going to file a complaint for false accusations and presumption of guilt. They are held to very high standards which is kind of odd given the public impression they often give - behind the scenes a judge is about 80% likely to terminate their employment for gross violation of a whole bunch of different laws - the most they can do is look at your papers and check your face matches the pictures.
Be prepared to actually go through with the threats, it wont cost you much more than a half a day filing the paperwork, annoying, but every time someone stands up for their rights, it reminds them not to screw over the public.
Nice one, but for those who do not have the resources for an attorney or for the "padulas" or the time to waste filing tons of paperwork against these crocs, it's just easier to go w/ the flow sometimes.

agree with don and classifieds post...

you either need a search warrant for your back pack/and or ubox to be searched,,

these thing are considered private property/almost the same with cars taht only visual inspection is required,kaya nga sa checkpoints kapag auto,rolldown windows lang,,,

take full note of their names,(goodluck sa badge number kung makikita mo)

if possible ask for a mission order..ehehhe

@classified,

yes its legal to take pictures,
but mind you,it is harder said than done here...

i am guessing youre a foreigner,sad to say.foreiners here benefit a somewhat VIP treatment,different from how we the common Juan is treated.

@warning to all,

yeah you can argue with the cops for an hour or so,not to open the ubox,then hstill have it opened anyways..

caution thou,
if youre opening it make sure that someone a bystander,anyone will witness it,should be in full light,and dont allow the cops or anyone else near the box,again protocol is visual inspection lang..
they kight plant false evidence,..
specially if youve argued with them...

they need a warant, a search warant to be exact to be able to force you to open your ubox. without it, they are not even allowed to touch any piece or parts of your vehicle.
the one i underlined in red, this is considered as a generalization and discrimination. bakit, porket nagkashoot out at nagkamotor, lahat na ng nka motor ay suspect? no way. same as cages, a car used for bank robbery for example. to be able to be issued this kind of warrant, dapat may details na sila kun anong sasakyan ang hinahanap nila, only then siguro magiging justified ang paghinto nila sa certain cars na magmamatch sa description. i said discrimination kasi siguro underbone at lahat sila ay "magkakamuka" so to say, but nonetheless, hindi pa rin sapat na basehan ito para pahintoin lahat. in short, they can't force you to do anything unless they have a warrant and they aren't even allowed to do anything without a mission order.

that's my knowledge about your question. hehe. sorry, hindi po ako si sir classified. =b

Sir hindi na kailangan ng warrant para makita nila laman ng Ubox naten... ang meron karapatan ang kapulisan na check ang laman ng Ubox naten pero hindi sila ang magbubukas at magbubulatlat ng gamit sa loob... tayo pa rin ang magpapakita at magkakalkal ng laman ng UBox naten... kapag sila kasi ang nagbulatlat pede ka taniman ng ebidensya...

kaya marami din pulis na gumagawa ng pera dahil kinokonsinte rin naten ang mali nilang ginagawa... lahat ng division ng kapulisan kapag binigyan ng pagkakataon ng gumawa ng pera gagawa at gagawa sila... kaya wala tayo dapat sisihin sa sistema dahil ang mga tao na kinukunsinte ang baluktot na sistema eh lalong hinihikayat na maging lalong bulok ang sistema ng kapulisan...

hindi kailangan matakot sa checkpoint basta complete papers ang motor pati ang kargada mo...

Complete legal documents and following traffic law = iwas kotong!

kapag meh problema sa mga pulis na nangongotong txt or call PNP ANTI KOTONG 09275151515

Office of the Chief PNP 09082250517

Sir hindi na kailangan ng warrant para makita nila laman ng Ubox naten... ang meron karapatan ang kapulisan na check ang laman ng Ubox naten pero hindi sila ang magbubukas at magbubulatlat ng gamit sa loob... tayo pa rin ang magpapakita at magkakalkal ng laman ng UBox naten... kapag sila kasi ang nagbulatlat pede ka taniman ng ebidensya...

kaya marami din pulis na gumagawa ng pera dahil kinokonsinte rin naten ang mali nilang ginagawa... lahat ng division ng kapulisan kapag binigyan ng pagkakataon ng gumawa ng pera gagawa at gagawa sila... kaya wala tayo dapat sisihin sa sistema dahil ang mga tao na kinukunsinte ang baluktot na sistema eh lalong hinihikayat na maging lalong bulok ang sistema ng kapulisan...

hindi kailangan matakot sa checkpoint basta complete papers ang motor pati ang kargada mo...

Complete legal documents and following traffic law = iwas kotong!

kapag meh problema sa mga pulis na nangongotong txt or call PNP ANTI KOTONG 09275151515

Office of the Chief PNP 09082250517

the words "kapag gutom" keeps flashing through my mind. meaning no matter how complete and in order your papers are, they will always find something to harass you with. "justice" depends on two factors: how much are you willing to spend and who you know. without either one of these, you would be given the judicial redtape.

which makes me wonder. are checkpoints effective? no matter how many checkpoints we encounter on our daily commute there will always be a report of a stolen mio or a stolen raider. In my opinion, their style of chokepoint is already outdated. everyone already know their so-called SOP (or modus) to the point that the crooks themselves know it by heart.

its true that the police should be able to present a valid search warrant pero during checkpoints kaya ba natin hingiin sa kanila yun?

the police at the checkpoint should have a valid mission order... yes, you can ask to see it...

Police searchng for U-box containment is already encroaching your property, the rider has the right to refuse search if there is no "mission order". If the police is hard headed or there is a sign of coercion, ask for a friend to witness the search.

Sir, masarap mamuhay sa isang bayan na matino, pero cyempre, nasa Pilipinas tayo, kaya, "REALITY BITES".

Mahirap makipag argue sa mga Pulis, they are trained to argue and defend themselves para sa mga pilosopong gustong makipagpilosopohan din sa kanila. Unless you have the so called "magic" or "power" para mapambara mo sa kanila.

Yang mga Kotong Cops na yan, cyempre, di yan mangongotong ng di nila alam ang irarason nila at gagawin nila, sanay na ang mga yan. Ako nga dati, nakotongan din, pero, cyempre, kinausap ko yung hepe nila, at dun ko nalaman, may konting salo-salo pala sila kaya, ang sabi na lang sa akin "FOR THE BOYS" na lang or "PAKISAMA" ika nga.

Cyempre, dahil naiintindihan ko sila despite na nagpakilala na ako, nagbigay na lang ako and in return, they helped me rin for a favor na rin, hehehehehehehe........... :O

Mahirap maging idealistic sa mundong baluktot, dahil, tayo lang din ang maririndi.

If ever may search pala na gagawin sa inyo, kayo ang magbulatlat at wag niyo sila papahawakin or papalapitin masyado. At kung may dala man kayo, make sure na kumpketo kayo sa dokumento, dahil ang alam ko, "GUN BAN" ngayon. :)

Was flagged down at the very same spot one late afternoon, a strategic location for "crocs" preying on motorists beating the red light and disregarding traffic signs and setting a drag net like check point.

Good thing sun is still up, fangs and tails of these devils has not appeared yet, left without any peso spent. Showed my driver's license and photocopy of the bike's OR/CR.

Sir hindi na kailangan ng warrant para makita nila laman ng Ubox naten... ang meron karapatan ang kapulisan na check ang laman ng Ubox naten pero hindi sila ang magbubukas at magbubulatlat ng gamit sa loob... tayo pa rin ang magpapakita at magkakalkal ng laman ng UBox naten... kapag sila kasi ang nagbulatlat pede ka taniman ng ebidensya...

kaya marami din pulis na gumagawa ng pera dahil kinokonsinte rin naten ang mali nilang ginagawa... lahat ng division ng kapulisan kapag binigyan ng pagkakataon ng gumawa ng pera gagawa at gagawa sila... kaya wala tayo dapat sisihin sa sistema dahil ang mga tao na kinukunsinte ang baluktot na sistema eh lalong hinihikayat na maging lalong bulok ang sistema ng kapulisan...

hindi kailangan matakot sa checkpoint basta complete papers ang motor pati ang kargada mo...

Complete legal documents and following traffic law = iwas kotong!

kapag meh problema sa mga pulis na nangongotong txt or call PNP ANTI KOTONG 09275151515

Office of the Chief PNP 09082250517

ang standard procedure nila for "search without warrant" is kun ano lang ang makita nila on plain sight. example, may nkapatong na weapon sa upuan mo o nkasabit na gloc sa manibela mo. yun lagot ka dun. pero as for sa kun anong laman ng u box mo, wala silang kaparatan na ipabukas yun sayo unless nga meron silang search warrant kasi nga private property mo yun. tulad na rin yan sa pagpasok sa loob ng bahay during search and raid for example. they will attempt to enter your house of privacy, that's what they're trained to do. but you can always deny their entry by asking for this particular search warrant. kun wala silang maipresenta, yuo have the right to refuse entry. same as the u box issue, if wala silang search warrant, what gives them the right to open your ubox? it's up to you naman e. pero personally, i don't give too much trouble for it. minsan nga ang mga xerox copy ng or cr ko ay matatagpuan sa ubox ng xrm ko e. so when they ask for it, i just simply open my ubox to get it. basta as mentioned na nga nun iba, keep an open eye at baka nga magplant sila ng evidence. which at the end of the day naman, with the proper knowledge and resource ay madali naman macontest e. hehe. evidence planted is the hardest evident to stick on courts usually.. as long as may witness ka. kun wala, here's where your high end cp with cameras, video and voice recorder shall come in handy. :)

Sir hindi na kailangan ng warrant para makita nila laman ng Ubox naten... ang meron karapatan ang kapulisan na check ang laman ng Ubox naten pero hindi sila ang magbubukas at magbubulatlat ng gamit sa loob... tayo pa rin ang magpapakita at magkakalkal ng laman ng UBox naten... kapag sila kasi ang nagbulatlat pede ka taniman ng ebidensya...

kaya marami din pulis na gumagawa ng pera dahil kinokonsinte rin naten ang mali nilang ginagawa... lahat ng division ng kapulisan kapag binigyan ng pagkakataon ng gumawa ng pera gagawa at gagawa sila... kaya wala tayo dapat sisihin sa sistema dahil ang mga tao na kinukunsinte ang baluktot na sistema eh lalong hinihikayat na maging lalong bulok ang sistema ng kapulisan...

hindi kailangan matakot sa checkpoint basta complete papers ang motor pati ang kargada mo...

Complete legal documents and following traffic law = iwas kotong!

kapag meh problema sa mga pulis na nangongotong txt or call PNP ANTI KOTONG 09275151515

Office of the Chief PNP 09082250517

sa wakas may nag paliwanag ng maganda sa reality ng buhay natin d2 sa pinas. at dami pnag pipilitan SEARCH WARRANT sa check point bkit mag CRIMINAL ba mga nag momotor? well said sir alphacute

Tiga dyan lang ako sa Hemady very near sa Gilmore.

One time nag left turn ako dyan and GO ang left turn, pinara ako ng mga pulis na laging naka tamabay dun sa ilalim ng puno.

So I stopped because I thought a simple check point lang. To my surprise one of the officers said that he will issue me a ticket. Napa what the EFFFF ako sa gulat ko.

Sabi nya stop daw kami and nag go ako. Buti he said the word "FROM MANILA". He was referring to the the other lane na Cubao bound. He thought I was coming from the Araneta Ave traffic.

Dahil alam ko wala ako ginagawa masama, medyo napa taas boses ko sabi ko, look at my license and its says Dona Hemday, touch the engine of my scooter and feel how still cold it is. :banana:

In short sabi ko galing ako sa bahay sa Hemady and di ako galing sa southbound lane. Ang liwaliwanag di nila nakita yun? Akala siguro makaka isa. They let me go without even saying sorry for the inconvinience.

Mga sirs, specially sa TS, kapag alam mo wala ka mali, wag ka papa lamang sa mga ungas na yan. :D

its true that the police should be able to present a valid search warrant pero during checkpoints kaya ba natin hingiin sa kanila yun?

If you are not under arrest then you cannot be detained or waylaid for more than a few minutes - and unless they can see 10 kilos of crack or something, you cannot be arrested at a checkpoint for anything at all.

There are two aspects to your search warrant question.

The first, search warrants must be specific to an individual or a location. Always. This means a search warrant could never be obtained for a general police checkpoint of any kind.

The second, any judge that tried to sign off on such a wide scoping search warrant would first be mocked and laughed at, but then disbarred before the ink even had time to dry on the paper. :-)

Short answer to your question kind sir: Nope. Fortunately a search warrant cannot be obtained by police without sufficient evidence or suspicion of a crime. If you've done nothing wrong they cannot arrest you either - they can try, but they WILL lose their jobs for doing so. Wrongful arrest is a very serious offense.

Hi Classified,

Great post, thanks!

May i ask where in Metro Manila do you live?

Best regards

Pauli

I live in Ortigas, though I'm not averse to random jaunts across the metro at any time of day or night - or across the country for that matter :-)

@zeus17

Sadly you are right, foreigners do get treated differently - for the most part it's all on the positive side, though I have had to shell out half a million peso in attorney fees and what not, so it kind of balances out in the end. A few former employees thought it'd be a good idea to file complaints with the NBI, BIR, DOJ, DSWD, SEC, DOLE, BI, and a few others I don't recall any longer. I'm still here, they fail their NBI clearances. My pile of subpoenas is quite impressive though! I wonder how many more I need to make up the whole set? :-)

I think it's all made me in to a 'no nonsense' kind of guy.

Luckily I haven't run into that checkpoint yet. I practically you neighbor. (Horseshoe village) But I do run into the checkpoint along N.Domingo, but they always let me go when they see my address on the license. They hold the checkpoint right in front of the gate of Horseshoe.

Tiga dyan lang ako sa Hemady very near sa Gilmore.

One time nag left turn ako dyan and GO ang left turn, pinara ako ng mga pulis na laging naka tamabay dun sa ilalim ng puno.

So I stopped because I thought a simple check point lang. To my surprise one of the officers said that he will issue me a ticket. Napa what the EFFFF ako sa gulat ko.

Sabi nya stop daw kami and nag go ako. Buti he said the word "FROM MANILA". He was referring to the the other lane na Cubao bound. He thought I was coming from the Araneta Ave traffic.

Dahil alam ko wala ako ginagawa masama, medyo napa taas boses ko sabi ko, look at my license and its says Dona Hemday, touch the engine of my scooter and feel how still cold it is. :banana:

In short sabi ko galing ako sa bahay sa Hemady and di ako galing sa southbound lane. Ang liwaliwanag di nila nakita yun? Akala siguro makaka isa. They let me go without even saying sorry for the inconvinience.

Mga sirs, specially sa TS, kapag alam mo wala ka mali, wag ka papa lamang sa mga ungas na yan. :D

Luckily I haven't run into that checkpoint yet. I practically you neighbor. (Horseshoe village) But I do run into the checkpoint along N.Domingo, but they always let me go when they see my address on the license. They hold the checkpoint right in front of the gate of Horseshoe.

Primary cause of traffic at that area in the evening.

Luckily I haven't run into that checkpoint yet. I practically you neighbor. (Horseshoe village) But I do run into the checkpoint along N.Domingo, but they always let me go when they see my address on the license. They hold the checkpoint right in front of the gate of Horseshoe.

Yeah Jake, I aways see those cops in front of your village gate but I was never stopped by them.

Dun sa Gilmore, just follow the stop light guys, don't try to do stupid things, its for our own safety. A lot of mc riders dont follow the left turn signal right in Gilmore that is why those cops like to wait for unsuspecting motorists there.

But if they accuse you of false charges then better not back down. :D

Sir hindi na kailangan ng warrant para makita nila laman ng Ubox naten... ang meron karapatan ang kapulisan na check ang laman ng Ubox naten pero hindi sila ang magbubukas at magbubulatlat ng gamit sa loob... tayo pa rin ang magpapakita at magkakalkal ng laman ng UBox naten... kapag sila kasi ang nagbulatlat pede ka taniman ng ebidensya...

kaya marami din pulis na gumagawa ng pera dahil kinokonsinte rin naten ang mali nilang ginagawa... lahat ng division ng kapulisan kapag binigyan ng pagkakataon ng gumawa ng pera gagawa at gagawa sila... kaya wala tayo dapat sisihin sa sistema dahil ang mga tao na kinukunsinte ang baluktot na sistema eh lalong hinihikayat na maging lalong bulok ang sistema ng kapulisan...

hindi kailangan matakot sa checkpoint basta complete papers ang motor pati ang kargada mo...

Complete legal documents and following traffic law = iwas kotong!

kapag meh problema sa mga pulis na nangongotong txt or call PNP ANTI KOTONG 09275151515

Office of the Chief PNP 09082250517

If you are not under arrest then you cannot be detained or waylaid for more than a few minutes - and unless they can see 10 kilos of crack or something, you cannot be arrested at a checkpoint for anything at all.

There are two aspects to your search warrant question.

The first, search warrants must be specific to an individual or a location. Always. This means a search warrant could never be obtained for a general police checkpoint of any kind.

The second, any judge that tried to sign off on such a wide scoping search warrant would first be mocked and laughed at, but then disbarred before the ink even had time to dry on the paper. :-)

Short answer to your question kind sir: Nope. Fortunately a search warrant cannot be obtained by police without sufficient evidence or suspicion of a crime. If you've done nothing wrong they cannot arrest you either - they can try, but they WILL lose their jobs for doing so. Wrongful arrest is a very serious offense.

sir, maraming salamat at sana marami naliwanagan sa post po ninyo

If you are not under arrest then you cannot be detained or waylaid for more than a few minutes - and unless they can see 10 kilos of crack or something, you cannot be arrested at a checkpoint for anything at all.

There are two aspects to your search warrant question.

The first, search warrants must be specific to an individual or a location. Always. This means a search warrant could never be obtained for a general police checkpoint of any kind.

The second, any judge that tried to sign off on such a wide scoping search warrant would first be mocked and laughed at, but then disbarred before the ink even had time to dry on the paper. :-)

Short answer to your question kind sir: Nope. Fortunately a search warrant cannot be obtained by police without sufficient evidence or suspicion of a crime. If you've done nothing wrong they cannot arrest you either - they can try, but they WILL lose their jobs for doing so. Wrongful arrest is a very serious offense.

very imformative, useful and important point raised by sir classified. :clap:

ang standard procedure nila for "search without warrant" is kun ano lang ang makita nila on plain sight. example, may nkapatong na weapon sa upuan mo o nkasabit na gloc sa manibela mo. yun lagot ka dun. pero as for sa kun anong laman ng u box mo, wala silang kaparatan na ipabukas yun sayo unless nga meron silang search warrant kasi nga private property mo yun. tulad na rin yan sa pagpasok sa loob ng bahay during search and raid for example. they will attempt to enter your house of privacy, that's what they're trained to do. but you can always deny their entry by asking for this particular search warrant. kun wala silang maipresenta, yuo have the right to refuse entry. same as the u box issue, if wala silang search warrant, what gives them the right to open your ubox? it's up to you naman e. pero personally, i don't give too much trouble for it. minsan nga ang mga xerox copy ng or cr ko ay matatagpuan sa ubox ng xrm ko e. so when they ask for it, i just simply open my ubox to get it. basta as mentioned na nga nun iba, keep an open eye at baka nga magplant sila ng evidence. which at the end of the day naman, with the proper knowledge and resource ay madali naman macontest e. hehe. evidence planted is the hardest evident to stick on courts usually.. as long as may witness ka. kun wala, here's where your high end cp with cameras, video and voice recorder shall come in handy. :)

Sir yung concerns about sa pagbukas ng Ubox naten para makita ng pulis ang laman ay legal, I have consulted this to a friend which is an atty. sa Court of Appeals... same lang din daw with cages sa check point na legal ang pagpapabukas ng pulis sa glove compartment at kung tinted ang cage pinapababa ang window para makita ang mukha ng driver... basta importante hindi sila ang magkalkal ng laman ng mga Ubox or glove compartments naten

Sir yung concerns about sa pagbukas ng Ubox naten para makita ng pulis ang laman ay legal, I have consulted this to a friend which is an atty. sa Court of Appeals... same lang din daw with cages sa check point na legal ang pagpapabukas ng pulis sa glove compartment at kung tinted ang cage pinapababa ang window para makita ang mukha ng driver... basta importante hindi sila ang magkalkal ng laman ng mga Ubox or glove compartments naten

I ask my brother about this (chief investigator) and he says in a right way they need a search warrant but if there's nothing to hide why not its just a waste of time arguing with them anyway.wag lang ang buong loob ng sasakyan at that point you need to ask their search warrant;)