Been searching on the internet for stuff on the rights of way of motorcycles. Couldn't find something very specific and found this forum instead. So I decided to start this thread.

To the moderators, I'm not sure if I posted this thread on the right forum. If I'm mistaken, just let me know sirs, and I'll move it to the correct forum.

Truth to say is, I'm not a motorcycle rider. I drive a car. I'm stating this so at least the readers and those who might reply know where I'm coming from.

To start off, my brother's officemate was riding in an fx, fx was near the sidewalk and has fully stopped since the person beside the officemate was going down. Side was clear, officemate opens door, door is on the right of fx, suddenly a motorcycle rams into the door. So who is at fault? Can the motorcycle rider say he has the right of way? Isn't it illegal to overtake on the right side?

Next, traffic is slow moving, I'm going to turn right on a corner, 10 meters away from the corner I turn my signal on, I look at my side mirror and sees a motorcycle on the right side of the car behind me. As I get closer to the corner, I also move my car closer to the gutter to prevent the motorcycle from passing me on the right. Am I doing the right thing or am I blocking his right of way? Is it not discourteous and utterly accident prone to disregard the other vehicles signal when you can actually give way? Or is it simply because motorcycle riders are higher than cars when it comes to the chain? Or is it just the act of irresponsible motorcycle riders?

Next, I stop my car near the gate of my house, signal light is turned on, car is near the gutter, as I wait for the gate to open, a motorcycle passes by on my right. I know it isn't good to cuss at people but am I right to be pissed at the motorcycle rider?

Next, I'm driving at around 60-70kph, traffic is light, a motorcycle whizzes by, either on my right or on my left, as the motorcycle gets his rear tires past my bumper, he suddenly gets into my lane. Isn't that irresponsible? Isn't the rider trying his luck too much? If we get involved in an accident, am I at fault because I am at the rear? I don't like tailgating so I haven't figured in a collision because the driver in front of me suddenly stepped on the brake. And if the motorcycle were four wheels that would be cutting lanes, isn't it?

I don't like opening my windows and shouting at drivers or riders i find being discourteous or irresponsible. Neither to I go down my car to accost other drivers. I was that when I first got my license, nowadays, yeah I get pissed but I just keep my cool and say to myself, "you'll have your way when your luck runs out." Or I just think, maybe it's a minor driver error, let it pass, good thing no one got into an accident. I commit certain errors sometime and I admit it. I wait for the other car to pass me by and raise an open palm to signify that it wasn't intentional.

I have nothing against motorcycles and motorcycle riders, I'd love to have a low-rider big bike given a chance. What I hate are irresponsible and discourteous drivers and riders.

Thanks in advance to those who will reply. Information on the above matters will be greatly appreciated.

welcome to MCP sir! :clap:

To start off, my brother's officemate was riding in an fx, fx was near the sidewalk and has fully stopped since the person beside the officemate was going down. Side was clear, officemate opens door, door is on the right of fx, suddenly a motorcycle rams into the door. So who is at fault? Can the motorcycle rider say he has the right of way? Isn't it illegal to overtake on the right side?

That's why anyone who's about to open his car door must always put into practice looking out for motorcyclists, bicyclist, pedestrians before doing so to prevent accidents.


Next, traffic is slow moving, I'm going to turn right on a corner, 10 meters away from the corner I turn my signal on, I look at my side mirror and sees a motorcycle on the right side of the car behind me. As I get closer to the corner, I also move my car closer to the gutter to prevent the motorcycle from passing me on the right. Am I doing the right thing or am I blocking his right of way? Is it not discourteous and utterly accident prone to disregard the other vehicles signal when you can actually give way? Or is it simply because motorcycle riders are higher than cars when it comes to the chain? Or is it just the act of irresponsible motorcycle riders?

Yes that rider is discourteous and stupid to disregard your warning lights. But it would've have been better if you just let him pass and laugh it off.


wait wait got to go...

There are riders that are discourteous and irresponsible, they don’t usually mind others safety
Best for us is to be cautious at all times…. Always anticipate their possible moves
Drive safe bro…. maraming ganyan na nag-momotor…
BTW rider din ako… pero disiplinado… both sa cage and mc:)

Thanks for even noticing these occurrences enough to post about it! In my mind, it's the first step to giving you a foresight edge in accident prevention when actually on the road.

Many don't even know what the side of a barn is until it actually hits them... ...or 6 feet under.

i cant blame you sir..

im driving an MC as Well...i feel where you are coming from..

im also a witness of irresponsible MC drivers.. too bad..

we dont have enough institution or group to educate MC drivers..


getting an MC nowadays are really easy..just give them a couple of Thousands and

WOALA!!... may MC ka na ..

without giving you any precautions..and do's and Don'ts...bahala ka na sa buhay mo ika nga.. :C


even getting a license..you can get a license as long as you have money.. no trainings, no instructions..


Exam na pede mong bayaran.. WOALA... may Lisensya ka na... :crazy:

I ride a motorcycle and I drive a car...

I know how you feel and what you feel is natural...

There are a lot of riders out there who do not know the lay of the land not do they know the meaning of courtesy...

Welcome to MCP...

salamat po sa mga nag welcome. :) salamat din po sa mga reply. :)

tama nga po, foresight. dapat iisipin natin na bigla na lang may susulpot na kung ano sa gilid natin anumang oras. double check sa side mirror. baka unang tingin wala pag lumiko ka na bigla may susulpot.

I guess for both mc riders and cage drivers (taking note of the terms, hehehehe), excessive speed kills. di naman tayo nakikipagkarera, we both just want to get to our respective destinations safe and sound. i learned this lesson sometime ago. buti na lang walang nadisgrasyang tao, as in sasakyan lang talaga.

a little courtesy every now and then doesn't make you any less of a driver or a rider. i guess it actually makes you more. lalo na sa panahon ngayon na santambak ang mga pasaway sa kalsada. pati pedestrians pasaway, may overpass na sa baba pa din tatawid.

pasaway na driver plus pasaway (pwede ding di nag iisip) na pasahero = disgrasya. hehehehe.:)

at tama nga po, pag nakatapat ng pasaway, tawanan na lang. basta di sumabit sa akin. hehehehe. may oras at katapat din sya. hehehehe.

sa mga mc riders po, ingat lagi.

Thanks for taking the time to register and post your concerns about motorcycle riders.

If you're asking about who has the right of way? I guess the simple and logical answer is it has to be the one who's using the lane. In most of the situations you've presented, the car has the right of way. But I think we all know that defensive driving is not all about who's right or who's wrong. You may have driven long enough to know that somehow, sometimes, no matter how much you slow down and look around before taking a careful turn, there's always that unassuming car driver/ motorcycle rider / pedestrian about to ruin your day.

Drive safely and I hope to see more of you here.

(Better yet, get on a bike and ride. :-) )

Been searching on the internet for stuff on the rights of way of motorcycles. Couldn't find something very specific and found this forum instead. So I decided to start this thread.

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Not just specific for motorcycle.....its for vehicles
R.A. 4136 Cahpter IV article III section 42, 43

sir majongero, point taken. iba pa rin yung defensive driving. i'd love to get on a bike pero di pa siguro ngayon. pag meron na akong lugar na pwedeng pag paradahan nun na di makita ng magulang ko. hehehehe. siguradong mahabang usapin yan pag nakita nila akong nagmomotor. hehehehe.

sir roder, salamat sa very specific answer. will look it up para makadagdag sa aking kaalaman. :)

Nice thoughts you have there. It's really a shame when other MOTOR drivers, whether mc or car or jeep or bus etc, forgot about road courtesy.

I also have an office mate who's pregnant that time and almost got hit by a speeding habal habal along Ayala Ave. in Makati (Makati Habal-Habal accident (http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133464)). No one took responsibility except for my officemate.

cheers!:)

Good points made here regarding road courtesy and defensive driving. In a perfect world we would have motorcyclists who are into "defensive riding" and cagers who practice "defensive driving". In reality, what usually happens in our roads is a daily battle between cars and motorcycles for road space. A courteous amiable office executive transforms into an unyielding psychopath once behind the wheel of his car. Ang isang magalang na anak sa bahay pagnakasakay na sa motor niya ay biglang nagiging pasaway sa kalye. It seems "courtesy" only remains at home and not taken by some of these individuals when they start riding or driving.

I appreciate the TS for consciously trying to understand how his road behavior should be when confronted with aggressive motorcycling. Defensive driving is the only path we can take in the face of aggression... at least on the roads :)

sir roder, salamat sa very specific answer. will look it up para makadagdag sa aking kaalaman. :)

No problem sir!

Road courtesy! our keyword....
Basta keep your temper...Cooler heads prevail.

sir brand0, ano po yung habal habal? di ko po kasi kabisado dyan sa makati?

sir dookati, meron ako mga kilalang ganyan, nagkakaroon ng sungay pag nag mamaneho. hehehehe.

sir roder, i agree.


ot lang: yung nasa avatar ang isa sa mga type kong mc, honda valkyrie rune, would probably be too big for me pero basta gusto ko sya. hehehehe. similar mc's would also be a choice, big bike pero mababa lang, tipong pag nilapag mo paa mo sa ground medyo nakabend pa ang knees. one thing i like about this kind of big bikes, gwapo kahit di ka matulin magpatakbo. pag ninja type kasi kailangan matulin para gwapo tingnan. parang di bagay pag mabagal takbo. hehehehe. opinion ko lang naman.

sir brand0, ano po yung habal habal? di ko po kasi kabisado dyan sa makati?




parang ganito:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8885/habal1.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8885/habal1.jpg)

pero yung dito sa Makati isa-isa lang ang sakay.

i see. mukhang delikado nga yung ganyan sir.

sana meron motorcycle rider / car drivers' conference. that way, nagiging aware tayong lahat sa sentiments ng both parties. sana magkakaroon ng "kasunduan" or a sort of memorandum of agreement or whatever you may call it between riders & cagers. mcp would probably be one of the best medium para dito and some other car website as mcp's counterpart to promote a better & safer road for us. at least, kung nagkaka-intindihan ang rider & cager, nababawasan ang involvement natin sa accidents. kase the way i see it, walang magagawa ang 'sandamakmak na batas na ginawa at gagawin pa ng gobyerno para (KUNO) sa safety nating mga road users dahil na rin sa katigasan ng ulo ng mga pinoy. kung makakapag-set tayo ng car & bike show bakit hindi ang conference o something that will make us know or understand each other better. ang matitirang problema na lang nun eh 'yung mga pasaway na jeeps, buses & pedestrians... wish ko lang...

To start off, my brother's officemate was riding in an fx, fx was near the sidewalk and has fully stopped since the person beside the officemate was going down. Side was clear, officemate opens door, door is on the right of fx, suddenly a motorcycle rams into the door. So who is at fault? Can the motorcycle rider say he has the right of way? Isn't it illegal to overtake on the right side?


The motorbike rider is at fault, it is illegal to overtake on the right side unless the vehicle is turning left.


Next, traffic is slow moving, I'm going to turn right on a corner, 10 meters away from the corner I turn my signal on, I look at my side mirror and sees a motorcycle on the right side of the car behind me. As I get closer to the corner, I also move my car closer to the gutter to prevent the motorcycle from passing me on the right.


Please don't take this the wrong way, it gives me considerable frustration when motorbike riders continue on straight when I'm indicating to turn. Lane splitting is a bit of a grey area in terms of the law, but by cutting off the bike rider in this way it shows you are not understanding your rights, or the vantage point the motorcycle rider might have. So what do you do? Indicate, always indicate your intentions. Maintain your line, don't cut anyone off. If the bike rider wants to tangle it up with you in the actual corner, you will be in the right of way, and not at fault. The law is on your side. From the riders perspective, as you said the traffic is slow so it is entirely probable that the bike rider will be 30 cars in front of you by the time you reach the corner, or just maybe the rider is turning in to the street as well. Most riders definitely suck at being considerate, as do many caged drivers, but understanding each other is a good way to lessen the frustration. You're in a car, we can see where you are going when you indicate, the good riders will give you space. The bad ones get what they get.


Am I doing the right thing or am I blocking his right of way? Is it not discourteous and utterly accident prone to disregard the other vehicles signal when you can actually give way? Or is it simply because motorcycle riders are higher than cars when it comes to the chain? Or is it just the act of irresponsible motorcycle riders?


Most license holders in general are irresponsible, inconsiderate, dangerous, and shouldn't be behind the wheel at all. 1 million points for actually using your turn signals, the very vast majority of drivers do not. I applaud people like you, I wave at you in a nice way, give you space, never cut in front of you. I'm probably the motorbike rider you never see because of this. You indicate, I believe you!


Next, I stop my car near the gate of my house, signal light is turned on, car is near the gutter, as I wait for the gate to open, a motorcycle passes by on my right. I know it isn't good to cuss at people but am I right to be pissed at the motorcycle rider?


You are right to be pissed, but you're looking at a population that largely does not consider things from the perspective of another. If there is a space, they believe it is their God given right to make use of it. Dangerous or otherwise.


Next, I'm driving at around 60-70kph, traffic is light, a motorcycle whizzes by, either on my right or on my left, as the motorcycle gets his rear tires past my bumper, he suddenly gets into my lane. Isn't that irresponsible? Isn't the rider trying his luck too much? If we get involved in an accident, am I at fault because I am at the rear? I don't like tailgating so I haven't figured in a collision because the driver in front of me suddenly stepped on the brake. And if the motorcycle were four wheels that would be cutting lanes, isn't it?


I think we've all been there. I've done 18,000 kilometres in the last 6 months on my motorbike, not a single day goes by that someone doesn't cut me off either in a car or on another bike. Keep in mind the bike rider is not going to come out of these little altercations in the same way that you will. I hit a dog in quite literally the middle of nowhere, before I'd even stopped cartwheeling down the road I had 30 onlookers all waiting to have their say on what happened. Witnesses, they are your friend :-) They are everywhere.


I don't like opening my windows and shouting at drivers or riders i find being discourteous or irresponsible. Neither to I go down my car to accost other drivers. I was that when I first got my license, nowadays, yeah I get pissed but I just keep my cool and say to myself, "you'll have your way when your luck runs out." Or I just think, maybe it's a minor driver error, let it pass, good thing no one got into an accident. I commit certain errors sometime and I admit it. I wait for the other car to pass me by and raise an open palm to signify that it wasn't intentional.


Keeping your cool is the best thing. Jump on a bike some time, see it from our perspective, most of us understand yours already. What you see as reckless abandon isn't always so, though 95% of the time it really is nothing short of stupidity. When you're number is up good sir. Seriously, I'd suck down a beer or two over dinner some time and bitch and moan about this all day long. I don't know there is much we can do about it though, most people, although relatively well educated, are still stupid.


I have nothing against motorcycles and motorcycle riders, I'd love to have a low-rider big bike given a chance. What I hate are irresponsible and discourteous drivers and riders.


Don't we all!


Thanks in advance to those who will reply. Information on the above matters will be greatly appreciated.

Stay safe, no matter what you drive.

sir miccle, i agree with you. i think even the newspapers, tv stations and radio stations should have a share in this. especially the newspapers since we can read and reread it anytime. they should publish laws and articles related to users of the roads, hopefully in an unbiased manner.

i also think that there should be a limit to the number of offenses a holder of a phil. driver's license can make before he can get his license revoked. repeated offenders - having multiple offenses within the usual three years before license renewal or those who keep repeating the same offense again and again, should lose their privelege of having a driver's license.

sir dchky, points taken. cooler heads prevail. defensive driving is still way better. i still wish i can get on a bike soon. :)

@cocoy
i know where your coming from, and i share your sentiments. i too drove my car too for 10 years after i sold my very first MC, til i started riding again back in 2005.

i guess i'm just lucky to see the whole scenario in both worlds...whether i'm riding my bike or driving my car.

the truth of the matter is...there's just too many newbies in motorcycling who are not aware of proper road courtesy, not to mention proper driving/riding manner.

as i always say here in the forums, this is due to lack of rider/driver education...

sana meron motorcycle rider / car drivers' conference. that way, nagiging aware tayong lahat sa sentiments ng both parties. sana magkakaroon ng "kasunduan" or a sort of memorandum of agreement or whatever you may call it between riders & cagers. mcp would probably be one of the best medium para dito and some other car website as mcp's counterpart to promote a better & safer road for us. at least, kung nagkaka-intindihan ang rider & cager, nababawasan ang involvement natin sa accidents. kase the way i see it, walang magagawa ang 'sandamakmak na batas na ginawa at gagawin pa ng gobyerno para (KUNO) sa safety nating mga road users dahil na rin sa katigasan ng ulo ng mga pinoy. kung makakapag-set tayo ng car & bike show bakit hindi ang conference o something that will make us know or understand each other better. ang matitirang problema na lang nun eh 'yung mga pasaway na jeeps, buses & pedestrians... wish ko lang...
why do you need such conferences when there are mc riding courses. they teach sharing the road with other motorists. even with driving schools they teach their students to watch out for motorcycles...if they don't attend these courses then why would you think they'll attend those conferences?

To start off, my brother's officemate was riding in an fx, fx was near the sidewalk and has fully stopped since the person beside the officemate was going down. Side was clear, officemate opens door, door is on the right of fx, suddenly a motorcycle rams into the door. So who is at fault? Can the motorcycle rider say he has the right of way? Isn't it illegal to overtake on the right side?
the motorcycle is at fault. the motorcycle at this point does not have the right of way. and also at this point it is illegal to pass on the right side.


Next, traffic is slow moving, I'm going to turn right on a corner, 10 meters away from the corner I turn my signal on, I look at my side mirror and sees a motorcycle on the right side of the car behind me. As I get closer to the corner, I also move my car closer to the gutter to prevent the motorcycle from passing me on the right. Am I doing the right thing or am I blocking his right of way? Is it not discourteous and utterly accident prone to disregard the other vehicles signal when you can actually give way? Or is it simply because motorcycle riders are higher than cars when it comes to the chain? Or is it just the act of irresponsible motorcycle riders?
you are doing the right thing...as i read your note you are on a multi-lane hiway or street. the motorcycle on the outer lanes hould have slowed down and give you space and execute a safe right turn.

you're also doing right in taking up the space near the gutter since you know that pasaway riders usually make a pass on the curb, this in turn, you are just making sure that the rider would not make the mistake on passing you at the curb making him and you feel safe and be safe.


Next, I stop my car near the gate of my house, signal light is turned on, car is near the gutter, as I wait for the gate to open, a motorcycle passes by on my right. I know it isn't good to cuss at people but am I right to be pissed at the motorcycle rider?
by all means, you have all the right. but it is better for your spirit to pray for them. :D


Next, I'm driving at around 60-70kph, traffic is light, a motorcycle whizzes by, either on my right or on my left, as the motorcycle gets his rear tires past my bumper, he suddenly gets into my lane. Isn't that irresponsible? Isn't the rider trying his luck too much? If we get involved in an accident, am I at fault because I am at the rear? I don't like tailgating so I haven't figured in a collision because the driver in front of me suddenly stepped on the brake. And if the motorcycle were four wheels that would be cutting lanes, isn't it?


yes, that is lane cutting and it is unsafe and discourteous to do that...there is always a better way and a nice and safe way to do it.

most motorcycle riders on the streets and even with cagers do not know of this, that if when filtering through moving traffic or passing, if you cause another motorists to slightly deviate from his/her line of course or path, that is discourtesy on your part.

why do you need such conferences when there are mc riding courses. they teach sharing the road with other motorists. even with driving schools they teach their students to watch out for motorcycles...if they don't attend these courses then why would you think they'll attend those conferences?

i don't want to deviate from the topic posted by our ts but i'd like to answer your query.

though many believe in seminars & riding courses, unfortunately, there are also those who don't share the same idea. that's why i thought maybe, just maybe, riders & cagers can come into terms. if a conference is a bit of a "heavy" word, perhaps, an "eyeball" or "meet up" or something like "idea sharing/brain storming" event can be organized that is open for cagers & riders alike. you see, filipinos don't like the idea that they are being schooled on their own games. thats way seminars & trainings come as a burdensome task for some.

i'm a person who is open to all ideas. if we can't agree on doing this solution for a certain problem, why should we stick to it if we can always find other ways that we could agree on. yup, training courses has been there for the longest time we can imagine but sometimes, trainings are not sufficient. that's why we re-invent, re-load and re-educate in the most appropriate but fun; modern and wholesome manner.

rider/driver conferences will not work. it will only give restrictions to either one of them.
the most important part that riding/driving schools teach is courtesy.

if everyone is courteous enough to share the road with other motorists then this problem with riders/drivers will not arise...this problem is also similar to the PUV driver / PV driver. if only the PUV driver is courteous enough to pullover his vehicle properly to load/unload a passenger there will not be a problem with the PUV drivers.

if there's going to be a conference, i hope it is about courtesy and sharing the road and not about a dialog between a rider and driver which will only go into a heated argument which either of them do not understand each other points.

rider/driver conferences will not work. it will only give restrictions to either one of them.
the most important part that riding/driving schools teach is courtesy.

if everyone is courteous enough to share the road with other motorists then this problem with riders/drivers will not arise...this problem is also similar to the PUV driver / PV driver. if only the PUV driver is courteous enough to pullover his vehicle properly to load/unload a passenger there will not be a problem with the PUV drivers.

if there's going to be a conference, i hope it is about courtesy and sharing the road and not about a dialog between a rider and driver which will only go into a heated argument which either of them do not understand each other points.

point taken, sir. but i still believe that dialogues between two parties can lessen, if not eliminate, the problem.

kasi kapag nagdialog ang dalawa siguradong restrictions ang magiging usapan.
just talk to your own kind and tell them to respect and share the road with other motorists. this is then better because you will not talk of restrictions but of discipline...just follow the rules there's no problem with that with the other kind. it is already understood.

one thing in a dialog, surely a separate lane will be the point of discussion and this kind of discussion is one kind of descrimination. and sad to say that some of our motorcycle riding brothers here believes that a bike lane is the solution to the safety of a discriminated rider.

We do not have the infrastructure to support a bike lane...

Even the widest of roads is already congested... What more if you take away another lane?

If they do, sila lang naman ang mahihirapan eh... :O

rider/driver conferences will not work. it will only give restrictions to either one of them.
the most important part that riding/driving schools teach is courtesy.
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I read your post but this part is the gist of it; it got my attention.

I find it weird that a driving/riding school will need to teach courtesy. don't get me wrong, it may be in part because of my upbringing but I believe courtesy [in whatever form or situation] is taught to us as early as kids. being courteous is an innate part of us like those simple mannerisms.

medyo heavy and deep yun ah. another example:

courtesy is like smoking. it is easy to learn and becomes a daily habit. whatever concept or practice of courtesy a person possess is difficult to unlearn [or quit, like smoking]. if you are not courteous from the beginning then it would be difficult for you to grasp the concept of courtesy.

I believe the problem we are facing on the road is due to misinformation and lack of knowledge on the official road rules and regulations. if everyone knows and follows a few simple rules [i.e. speed limits, right of way, road worthiness of vehicle, no counterflow, loading and unloading zones] we will see a dramatic change on our roads.

give importance to driving/riding education; which in our country is nearly nonexistent.

I read your post but this part is the gist of it; it got my attention.

I find it weird that a driving/riding school will need to teach courtesy. don't get me wrong, it may be in part because of my upbringing but I believe courtesy [in whatever form or situation] is taught to us as early as kids. being courteous is an innate part of us like those simple mannerisms.

medyo heavy and deep yun ah. another example:

courtesy is like smoking. it is easy to learn and becomes a daily habit. whatever concept or practice of courtesy a person possess is difficult to unlearn [or quit, like smoking]. if you are not courteous from the beginning then it would be difficult for you to grasp the concept of courtesy.

I believe the problem we are facing on the road is due to misinformation and lack of knowledge on the official road rules and regulations. if everyone knows and follows a few simple rules [i.e. speed limits, right of way, road worthiness of vehicle, no counterflow, loading and unloading zones] we will see a dramatic change on our roads.

give importance to driving/riding education; which in our country is nearly nonexistent.

you are right. just in part...at least the ones who did not learn it from their family may learn a FEW from driving/riding schools in terms of road safety, that is.

We do not have the infrastructure to support a bike lane...

Even the widest of roads is already congested... What more if you take away another lane?

If they do, sila lang naman ang mahihirapan eh... :O

Sorry for reviving this topic but I just would like to express that Marikina once had no infrastructure nor space to implement bicycle lanes. But now they do have bicycle lanes. It was political will that made all that happen, and it was also motivated by a passion for environmental concerns. I believe a great impetus in the advocacy for bike lanes in the metropolitan areas of Manila is MRO tying up with cycling groups like Firefly Brigade - aiming for a common goal and working towards more two-wheel-friendlier roads.