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atomictom8
October 18th, 2008, 02:28 AM
saw the news today and this will be a PNP-LTO new requirement for new and renewal of driving license.

said to curb crimes committed by unstable minded people on the road.

a good tool indeed if not fallen into the hands of unscrupulous officials and testing centers.

brand0
October 18th, 2008, 03:39 AM
saw the news today and this will be a PNP-LTO new requirement for new and renewal of driving license.

said to curb crimes committed by unstable minded people on the road.

a good tool indeed if not fallen into the hands of unscrupulous officials and testing centers.

how I wish that the amount I pay for the "no hassle" transaction with the LTO would not increase because of this new money-making initiative.

kudos to the PNP and LTO and to all those stupid people behind it:clap:

jamraider
October 18th, 2008, 04:42 AM
buti na lang kaka-renew ko lang last month. :D:D

Billy Jack
October 18th, 2008, 12:31 PM
i think this should only be applied selectively! especially on those na ayaw maniwala hanggang ngayon na kailangan natin ang helmet at mahirap mag-ride na nakatsinelas...

FrictionwinD
October 18th, 2008, 12:44 PM
sir i watched the news yesterday...LTO is pushing to have neuro test for acquiring driver's license and re-newal....what can you say about this???

sealander
October 18th, 2008, 01:16 PM
mabuti yan..

Harold_manuel
October 18th, 2008, 01:16 PM
sir i watched the news yesterday...LTO is pushing to have neuro test for acquiring driver's license and re-newal....what can you say about this???

ahhayyy! napanuod ko din yan! bago pagkakakitaan nanaman yan ng mga kawatan! Yun lng!:evil:

Dapat cguro paghigpitan nila ung nagdadala ng baril, or un ang dapat na i neuro. mas iba attitude ng tao pag may dala ng baril kesa may dalang sasakyan.:eek:

FrictionwinD
October 18th, 2008, 01:24 PM
ahhayyy! napanuod ko din yan! bago pagkakakitaan nanaman yan ng mga kawatan! Yun lng!:evil:

Dapat cguro paghigpitan nila ung nagdadala ng baril, or un ang dapat na i neuro. mas iba attitude ng tao pag may dala ng baril kesa may dalang sasakyan.:eek:

me point si sir kasi sa mga feature news nila related sa pamamaril yun mga nangyaring aksidente hindi sa mga nag dridrive eh... dapat siguro iyong me mga baril ang bugbugin nila ng neuro test kasi sila ang namamaril agad pag nagkagitgitan sa traffic or nagkaproblema regarding sa traffic ( di lahat )

r@t$k!
October 18th, 2008, 02:19 PM
kung gusto nila kumita, bakit di na lang driving academy. . . Masmalaki kita kaysa Neuro exams:D

... Or bakit di na lang kaya ang PNP ang maghigpit sa pagbigay ng Permit to Carry . . . From what I've heard and read 8k lang may permit to carry ka na:eek:

... Enforcement of traffic rules effectively . . . :rolleyes:

karagkarag
October 18th, 2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/man/2008/10/18/life/drivers.license.applicants.to.undergo.neuro.test.html

Ano kaya mga kasama dun? Siguro, mental, motor at sensory system. Pang medical doctor na yun at kamusta naman ang gagastusin ng tao dun. Sana try muna nila sa mga company drivers na may pambayad.

Pero kudos to LTO for trying to find ways to make street safer.

L3viticus
October 18th, 2008, 03:47 PM
hehe.. ano eto makiki-tie in sila sa Philippine Mental Health? what will be their basis of denying someone based on his neuro-psyche exam? I foresee that this will be a great source of kotong/lagay/red tape. ano eto, IQ test ba? eh sa ngayon ang dami ang pumapasa ng written exam ng LTO na hindi marunong mabasa! tapos eto pa?

tester: bagsak ka sa neuro
applicant: ha? paano ako bumagsak.
tester: according sa test mo ikaw ay baliw.
applicant: ANO?!? baliw ako?
tester: easy lang pards.. alam mo na ang sop para sa ganito to make it go away. bayad ka lang ng pang-kape hindi ka na baliw :evil:

sh3tness..

in the first place, ang mga baliw or those with psych illnesses do not belong in the streets. they should be in malacanang or working in the LTO :banana:

jerk18
October 18th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Ang mga corrupt dyan sa LTO ang dapat i-Neuro-Psychiatric Test...

atomictom8
October 18th, 2008, 04:48 PM
knowing that we still have the same incompetent LTO, this proposal is truly nerve-neuro wrecking.

they should start cleaning up the yard first before they move on or might as well start anew.

jerk18
October 18th, 2008, 05:10 PM
Kung libre no problem...

pero kung dagdag gastos na naman eh hay nakupow...

ano ba to? Pondo ba para sa 2010???

L3viticus
October 18th, 2008, 05:53 PM
katulad eto nung ewd pakulo or yung "computer fee" that we are obligated to pay during renewal: these are merely money making rackets.

at saka hay naku naman! in the guise of "for your safety" nanaman! pwede ba?!? gasgas na gasgas na yang rason na yan!

oo nga the basic principle is sound; but look at who is implementing it! the some RETARDS who came up with the stupid AO on modifications! gusto kasi magpasikat ng swarding na yan eh at gumawa siya ng isang patakaran na ONLI IN THE PHILIPPINES.

totoo.. walang ibang bansa kundi tayo ang magkakaroon ng neuro-psych test if ever this pushes through. magiging impression neto sa mundo ay mga psycho tayong mga pinoy.

hay naku! nakakainit ng dugo dahil ginagago na tayo. in the first place, if the drug testing, written tests, and driving tests were actually performed well hindi na kailangan pa magisip ng neuro-psych test! malaking kalokohan ang at katarantaduhan at source of lagay/red tape eto. yan ang main purpose neto.

sa mga LTO lalo sa swarding na yan :I:I:I:I

dennon
October 18th, 2008, 06:17 PM
TSK... TSK... TSK... TSK...:I:vomit:

fritz120984
October 18th, 2008, 06:25 PM
dapat ung mga taga LTO ang Neuro-Psychiatric test....
nababaliw yata kasi cla...=b:crazy:=b

mbus
October 18th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Dapat unahin si swarding na i neuro test :O:O:O

yojstamaria
October 18th, 2008, 07:44 PM
ako pabor po ako para dito..

may concerns lang ako:

- how effective is this testing? kasing effective ba ng smoke testing nila? Nagpapapicture lang sa smoke testing ayos na di man lang binuksan yung machine saka di iniistart yung MC.

- is this as effective as the Drug testing? na kahit wala nang ihi bayaran mo na lang ayos na.

- sa laki ng Pilipinas at dami ng LTO branches para makapagrenew, ilang doktor ang kaya mag-test nito, or mga quack doctors na lang i-eemploy nyo?

this is a good Idea but please, clean up your ranks first because this will just be as corrupt as those testings already implimented for renewal of license

L3viticus
October 19th, 2008, 08:19 AM
you're asking kung duktor ang magtetest? I don't think so..

ang proposal ay additional gastos sa atin eto courtesy of the LTO, meaning sa LTO tayo magbabayad. given the track record of LTO magiging katulad eto nung AO 15 where once nakuha ng mga tauhan nya ang memo ay instant specialist sila ng mga modifications.

I am guessing hanggang IQ testing lang ang gagawin or yung aptitude test eto. ano gagawin nila? counseling session for each applicant/renewal of license? kung ganun ay katakot takot na tao ang kailangan nila. dagdag test/procedure lang ang ginagawa. and we all know paano magbigay ng written test ang LTO! kulang na lang ay answer key ang ibigay nila or your answer sheet with ready answers. shetness.. eh yung mga tanong sa current written exam hindi nga maintindihan, may nalalamang neuro-psych pa ang mga bugok na eto :clap:

this neuro-psych test is an excuse on the part of the LTO for their ineptitude. naissuhan na nga tayo ng lisensya, meaning they deem us competent and qualified to drive.

hay swarding :I pakiayos na lang ang bulok na sistema ng LTO; pakiscreen ang mga incompetents sa opisina ng LTO kaysa magdagdag ka ng testing na magiging cash cow.

bikermice
October 19th, 2008, 09:13 AM
redtape, another source of corruption.

ayos talaga ang LTO hahahaha!!!!

bulag nga nakakakuha ng lisensiya, yung sira ulo pa?

bwahahahaha!!!!

buhay sa pinas talaga oo.

mukhang galing sa china ang mga gatas na pinainom ng nanay nila sa mga taga LTO ngayun a? hahahaha!!!!!!

ubo ubo ubo hikkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! ubo ubo pa uli....................

aloy_g
October 19th, 2008, 10:52 AM
kalokohan yan. pagkakakitaan lang.

security guards nga may neuro test, pero may mga namamaril pa rin at nagnanakaw.

pulis nga may neuro test, pero tignan nyo ginagawa nung ibang pulis?

iggiboy blue
October 19th, 2008, 11:40 AM
halos pare pareho ang pananaw natin sa neuro psychiatric test na to..maganda ito in the sense na masisiguro na lahat ng mabibigyan ng lisensya ay nasa tamang pagiisip..pero kapag naiisip natin na panibagong gatasan na nmn ito ng mga buwaya at buwitre sa gobyerno...parang nagiging pangit..
nabigo si mr.suansing na ipasa ang modification part ng LTO AO nila, di kaya dahil dun naisip nya ito?.di kaya si Mr. Suansing ang unang dapat sumalang dito?..sa palagay nyo?..hehehe..(opinyon ko lang po alang magagalit?.bato bato sa langit)..

acidbeam
October 20th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Okay sana to, kaso pagkakakitaan nanaman ng mga "patay-gutom-sa-pera" sa LTO ito.

Bochekokik
October 20th, 2008, 09:42 AM
saw the news today and this will be a PNP-LTO new requirement for new and renewal of driving license.

said to curb crimes committed by unstable minded people on the road.

a good tool indeed if not fallen into the hands of unscrupulous officials and testing centers.

Pabor ako sa Test na ito, kaso lang, malaki chance na maging pugad na naman ng korupsyon. Tingnan nyo Drug Test, Smoke Emission Test, ok sana kung napapatupad na mabuti, eh kaso marami talagang magagaling, maraming lusotan kaya pera lang pangtabla dyan.
Bottomline, useless din kung hindi maipatupad ng mabuti.

xyphrus
October 20th, 2008, 12:33 PM
tester: bagsak ka sa neuro
applicant: ha? paano ako bumagsak.
tester: according sa test mo ikaw ay baliw.
applicant: ANO?!? baliw ako?
tester: easy lang pards.. alam mo na ang sop para sa ganito to make it go away. bayad ka lang ng pang-kape hindi ka na baliw :evil:

sh3tness..

in the first place, ang mga baliw or those with psych illnesses do not belong in the streets. they should be in malacanang or working in the LTO :banana:


Hahahah! This is really true! Siguradong ganyan na ganyan ang mangyayari kapag natuloy yang PSYCHO NA LTO na yan!...... ah este, neuro-psychiatric pala ng LTO... :O

Edfertor
October 20th, 2008, 02:10 PM
Ang ayusin nila ay ang sistema nila sa pag iissue ng drivers license....
Di na kailangan yang test na yan at dagdag gastos pa...
Pera na naman ang iiral....
Gaano sila kasigurado na mababawasan ang violent incident sa kalsada once ma implement ang proposal na yan...

FrictionwinD
October 20th, 2008, 04:27 PM
mga sir wag sana kayo magagalit sa aking sasabihin ha...partly meron din tayong contribution sa corruption kasi some of filipinos gusto mabilisan kaya naglalagay na lang sa fixers hehehe kaya meron corrupt kasi tayo din naman nagbibigay eh...:o

naisip ko lang panu kaya nagsimula ang ganitong sistema...kanino nagsimula ito (corruption and lagay) sa mga official (any govt agencies) or sa mga nag aaply (us and others)

ylectroman
October 20th, 2008, 04:58 PM
neuro-psychiatric..

para maiwasan ang barilan sa daan? road rage? ehhemmm

sinu ba ang nambabaril sa daan? ede yun may baril.. sinu ba yun may baril? edi yun mayayaman na may PTC.. mas marami ako nababalitaan na mayayaman yun bumabaril sa, last year attorney pa, pinatay 2 tao, si rolito go mayaman din... yun bus, jeep driver o taxi driver wala pa yata ako nabalitaang may binaril, sinuntok at minura meron pa hehehe..

khit kalalabas lang sa mental hospital pasado sa neuro test yun basta may pera

mukhang lugi tyu dun ahh:O

jamraider
October 20th, 2008, 11:03 PM
dapat i-apply lang to dun sa mga rider na naghehelmet sa siko!!! :evil:

erick_214
October 21st, 2008, 02:03 AM
kalokohan na naman ito..!
Marami nga ako kilalang jeepney drivers na gumagamit ng bato at hanggang ngaun nagmamaneho pa rin...pwede ka nga rin magrenew ng lisensya ng non-appearance din eh...

yung smoke belching test nila...isang napakalaking kalokohan din..!
sapat yung mga smoke belching test na yan e para sa mga lumang sasakyan lang...hai...hai...hai...

khryss0515
October 21st, 2008, 02:38 AM
magkano na po ba ang magpa-renew ng lisensya kasama ang Neuro-Psychiatric Test?

sherlockjohns27
October 21st, 2008, 06:40 AM
Hehehehehehe!!! Sarap basahin mga sinasabe nyo mga sir!!!!! Tama kyo magiging raket lng 2 ng mga katawan... Kaya ipapatupad yan kze nga MAHAL na ang mga bilihin nde na sapat ung mga nararaket nila.. Dapat bgo ipatupad yan sila muna magpa-Psychiatric Test... :s:crazy::nuts:

sherlockjohns27
October 21st, 2008, 06:42 AM
dapat i-apply lang to dun sa mga rider na naghehelmet sa siko!!! :evil:

Hehehehe... Edi kokonti nalng mga messenger at delivery boys nyan??? Un kze lagi ko nakikita gumagawa non lalo na pag hinahanp ung pupuntahan nila... :O

dchky
October 21st, 2008, 06:47 PM
sir i watched the news yesterday...LTO is pushing to have neuro test for acquiring driver's license and re-newal....what can you say about this???

I like to think I'm a pretty emotionally stable kind of guy, so I can't imagine I would have too much of a problem, though you just never know :-)

The real questions are probably this: (And I suspect nobody will ever ask them other than me)

* What will the classification of it be? Medical in confidence?
* Is such a test actually warranted?
* How would it be implemented?
* What purpose would it serve, exactly?
* Will it pinpoint the psyche of a 'good driver' (whatever that means)
* What kind of oversight would it have?
* Would the testing be done based on a pre-approved list of questions?
* If yes, could that list of questions and their appropriate answers be hawked off easily enough to be widely and readily available to anyone that would otherwise fail the exam? (Rendering it pointless)
* Privacy policies
* Data protection mechanisms
* Data retention policies
* Cost to the public
* Who would determine the list of practitioners and their appropriate accreditations for implementation of these tests, and what qualifications are held by those that get to decide who gives the test? Does the LTO have psychologists on payroll?

* What will the results of a failed test mean in realistic terms?
* Can the test be taken over again?
* If the above is yes, will there be a time penalty imposed?


Now my own thoughts are that this is indeed a good idea, but one that is absolutely destined to fail before it even gets implemented. The only circumstance under which it might have even a remote chance is if the testing is dynamic, the questions are unique to each person and not repeated in such a way that they could be figured out over time, constantly evolving, and the practitioners of these tests are under threat of some very serious penalties if they expose the methodology used to calculate the results.

L3viticus
October 21st, 2008, 08:06 PM
Now my own thoughts are that this is indeed a good idea, but one that is absolutely destined to fail before it even gets implemented. The only circumstance under which it might have even a remote chance is if the testing is dynamic, the questions are unique to each person and not repeated in such a way that they could be figured out over time, constantly evolving, and the practitioners of these tests are under threat of some very serious penalties if they expose the methodology used to calculate the results.

how exactly is this a good idea? there are so many gaps and questions that you've pointed out. if this gets approved then applying for a drivers license would be akin to applying to a job!

why is it a good idea when too much resources are to be spent on this? isn't OUR money be better spent on more essential issues rather than this?

this is very very much like the drug testing racket the LTO has implemented. it is such a FAKE test because in order to pass it LEGALLY you only need to be clean of methamphetamines once every three years! also with the STUPID emission testing! you only need to maintain your vehicle once a year!

only a RETARDED MORON would come up with this neuro-psychiatric test as a pre-requisite to a driver's license.

at pwede ba.. gasgas na ang "for your own safety/protection" mantra. gusto nila improve ang safety? AYUSIN NILA ANG MGA KALYE! tangalin nila ang mga colorum! huliin nila ang mga DUI BEFORE sila makabanga!

hay! this is definitely NOT a good idea. this is given the illusion of a good idea dahil sa buset na mantra na "for your own safety/protection"

hay swarding.. :I:pissed:

erick_214
October 22nd, 2008, 12:28 AM
hmmm...dapat gawin lang ito sa mga public utility drivers kasi sila naman yung parating nakakaaksidente...tsaka dahil boundary basis sila maghahapit sila ng maghahapit at dahil hindi naman sa kanila yung sasakyan na minamaneho nila e siguradong hindi na nila aalagaan yung minamaneho nila kagaya na lang nung bus na nakabunggo ng O2...

L3viticus
October 22nd, 2008, 07:31 AM
hmmm...dapat gawin lang ito sa mga public utility drivers kasi sila naman yung parating nakakaaksidente...tsaka dahil boundary basis sila maghahapit sila ng maghahapit at dahil hindi naman sa kanila yung sasakyan na minamaneho nila e siguradong hindi na nila aalagaan yung minamaneho nila kagaya na lang nung bus na nakabunggo ng O2...

teka.. PUV drivers lang? remember, there should not be an exception to the law. it should be everyone or no one. if the problem of road rage is identified with PUVs then the LTFRB should implement stricter measures. sanamagan, they should at LEAST perform their basic duties of regulating PUVs!

yan lang naman ang kailangan eh; for LTO and LTFRB to perform their most BASIC duties. yun lang. magtrabaho lang sila ng maayos. why? eh anakngtinapangaso naman, kailan ba naging maayos ang pamamalakad ng mga hinayupak sa LTO at LTFRB ang kanilang mga trabaho? tuwing renewal ng lisensya or renewal ng registration I dread going to the LTO office dahil alam ko na malaking perwisyo ang pagpunta dun!

SonnyWave100
October 22nd, 2008, 08:50 AM
Holy Cow, ang mga taga LTO ang dapat magpa Neuro-Psychia Test.
Nababaliw na sila, kung anu-anu na ang pinaggagagawa nila.
I can even challenge them to show to the public any Baliw na Driver, im sure they can't find one.

digger921
October 22nd, 2008, 09:05 AM
para maiwasan ang road rage ... para mawala ang mga drayber na nakahawak lang ng manibela ay naging magaling na drayber na kaagad ... feeling kasi ng karamihan sa mga drayber ng bus at jeep ay race track ang kakalsadahan (kabilang din dito ang mga kababayan natin na naka kotse at ... potpot ... mga kasama nating nakamotor din) kaya tuloy maraming tao ang nadadamay pag napapasubo sila sa pagkakarera sa kapwa nila drayber ... subukan ninyong araw araw dumaan ng edsa at malalaman ninyo ang kondisyon ng mga utak ng karamihan sa mga bus drivers na bumibiyahe jan ... buti kung kalahati sa mga yan ay pumasa sa test na yan ... tama ang konsepto na ang sasakyan ay parang baril - isang armas na puwedeng pumatay ... biruin mo ang dala dalang pasahero ng isang bus ... mahigit sa 50 ... at kung makakabangga pa siya ng isa pang bus .. ibig sabihin ... buhay ng 100 na tao o higit pa, ang nakasalalay sa kamay ng mga drayber na ito ...

bakit kayo matatakot kung wala naman kayong itatago ... ipatupad yan ... mabawasan ang mga mayabang sa kalsada ...

vicfirthph
October 22nd, 2008, 09:22 AM
hehe.. ano eto makiki-tie in sila sa Philippine Mental Health? what will be their basis of denying someone based on his neuro-psyche exam? I foresee that this will be a great source of kotong/lagay/red tape. ano eto, IQ test ba? eh sa ngayon ang dami ang pumapasa ng written exam ng LTO na hindi marunong mabasa! tapos eto pa?

tester: bagsak ka sa neuro
applicant: ha? paano ako bumagsak.
tester: according sa test mo ikaw ay baliw.
applicant: ANO?!? baliw ako?
tester: easy lang pards.. alam mo na ang sop para sa ganito to make it go away. bayad ka lang ng pang-kape hindi ka na baliw :evil:

sh3tness..

in the first place, ang mga baliw or those with psych illnesses do not belong in the streets. they should be in malacanang or working in the LTO :banana:

hehehe.. natawa naman ako sa sabi mo sir... tama ka po... isa na naman itong MONEY INVOLVED na maaring i corrupt na naman ng mga taga LTO... bakit kaya parang marami sila ipinapasa ngayun para mag kapera sila... sobra sobra na yata? .... samantalang nakakagawa naman ng paraan yung mga gusto kumuha ng lisensya kahit adik.. in short kahit adik ka or baliw makakakuha ka parin ng lisensya at makakapag renew... sa madaling salita marami nakakalusot! kahit no show ang motor mo sa LTO lahat possible basta may katapat na amount....... kumbaga lagay lang katapat nyan. ano na ba nangyari sa iyo LTO.. sana kung ipapatupad yan yung walang dapat na babayaran at higpitan... sa pag renew palang ng rehistro umaabot na ng 1k+plus! imbes na makatipid pag nagmomotor...lumalabas na napapamahal pa lalo.

vicfirthph
October 22nd, 2008, 09:34 AM
gusto talaga magkapera!!

digger921
October 22nd, 2008, 09:45 AM
eto ang magiging downside ng hakbang na ito ... pagkakaperahan lang ng mga tauhan ng lto ... pero maganda sana ang layunin nito ... kung ipapatupad nang tama ...

di nalalayo ang pagmamaneho ng mga pampublikong sasakyan sa pag aapply ng trabaho sa kompanya ... hahayaan mo bang makapasok sa kompanya mo ang mga taong maiinitin ang ulo ??? siyempre, hindi ... pero kung ang sagot mo ay oo ... siguro .. kailangan mo ring mag pa neuro psychiatric testing ...

vicfirthph
October 22nd, 2008, 10:04 AM
sayang may backdoor nga lang LTO.. kaya kung sino sino pwede makapasok sa pagmamaneho... minsan mga taga loob pa mismo ng LTO ang gumagawa para makapasok mga gawaing illegal lalo na kung kakilala or may pera pambayad ang may gusto.... kaya kahit anong rules pa yan na ipatupad ng LTO di effective... marami sila naipatupad pero yung iba wala din magandang kahihinatnan.... gaya na lang sa drug testing na kulang kulang 500 pesos din....dahil may ibang pintuan... siguro sa kanila very effective dahil magkakapera sila...pero sa atin na lagi bumyabyahe meron at meron parin aksidente nagaganap sa labas..... madami at madami paring mga pasaway kahit matitino... nakaka lungkot talaga nangyayari sa LTO. nakakalungkot na nakakainis... sana ayusin muna nila yung LTO. dun sila maglagay ng maraming checkpoint sa loob ng LTO mismo.

L3viticus
October 22nd, 2008, 10:37 AM
para maiwasan ang road rage ... para mawala ang mga drayber na nakahawak lang ng manibela ay naging magaling na drayber na kaagad ... feeling kasi ng karamihan sa mga drayber ng bus at jeep ay race track ang kakalsadahan (kabilang din dito ang mga kababayan natin na naka kotse at ... potpot ... mga kasama nating nakamotor din) kaya tuloy maraming tao ang nadadamay pag napapasubo sila sa pagkakarera sa kapwa nila drayber ... subukan ninyong araw araw dumaan ng edsa at malalaman ninyo ang kondisyon ng mga utak ng karamihan sa mga bus drivers na bumibiyahe jan ... buti kung kalahati sa mga yan ay pumasa sa test na yan ... tama ang konsepto na ang sasakyan ay parang baril - isang armas na puwedeng pumatay ... biruin mo ang dala dalang pasahero ng isang bus ... mahigit sa 50 ... at kung makakabangga pa siya ng isa pang bus .. ibig sabihin ... buhay ng 100 na tao o higit pa, ang nakasalalay sa kamay ng mga drayber na ito ...

bakit kayo matatakot kung wala naman kayong itatago ... ipatupad yan ... mabawasan ang mga mayabang sa kalsada ...

eto tanong ko sa iyo..

meron nang existing written and driving test. meron rin drug testing for methamphetamines.

para sa mga PUVs merong LTFRB.

kung maayos lang ang pagbigay ng 3 na tests na yan sa tingin mo ba ay kailangan pa natin ng neuro-psych test?

kung maayos ang screening at pag-grant ng LTFRB sa mga franchise kailangan pa ba ng neuro-psych test?

dchky
October 22nd, 2008, 11:07 AM
how exactly is this a good idea? there are so many gaps and questions that you've pointed out. if this gets approved then applying for a drivers license would be akin to applying to a job!

why is it a good idea when too much resources are to be spent on this? isn't OUR money be better spent on more essential issues rather than this?

this is very very much like the drug testing racket the LTO has implemented. it is such a FAKE test because in order to pass it LEGALLY you only need to be clean of methamphetamines once every three years! also with the STUPID emission testing! you only need to maintain your vehicle once a year!

only a RETARDED MORON would come up with this neuro-psychiatric test as a pre-requisite to a driver's license.

at pwede ba.. gasgas na ang "for your own safety/protection" mantra. gusto nila improve ang safety? AYUSIN NILA ANG MGA KALYE! tangalin nila ang mga colorum! huliin nila ang mga DUI BEFORE sila makabanga!

hay! this is definitely NOT a good idea. this is given the illusion of a good idea dahil sa buset na mantra na "for your own safety/protection"

hay swarding.. :I:pissed:

Well call me a retarded moron then. :-)

How is it a good idea? Have you been out on the roads lately and seen what qualifies as your average 'driver' - an individual in charge of a machine weighing upwards of a thousand kilograms - on public streets, surrounded by 'the public' - how is it NOT a good idea to impose some minimum set of criteria common to all, and that all must follow in order to have the privilege of driving on public roads.

Don't be putting words in my mouth, I said it would be a good idea and clarified it with the only circumstances I believe it would work - at no time did I say I approved of it, that I think it ~should~ be implemented, or that I don't think there are better solutions. To be sure it's a band-aid fix to a problem that stems from elsewhere in the chain. Better to hit the right nail on the head yes.

Probably the best, cheapest, and most simplistic solution is to enforce the damn road rules properly for one and all. Throw in a few real LTO driving tests, get rid of any ability to buy your license, and you have a system on par with the rest of the world.

Now good day to you sir.

digger921
October 22nd, 2008, 11:22 AM
eto tanong ko sa iyo..

meron nang existing written and driving test. meron rin drug testing for methamphetamines.

para sa mga PUVs merong LTFRB.

kung maayos lang ang pagbigay ng 3 na tests na yan sa tingin mo ba ay kailangan pa natin ng neuro-psych test?

kung maayos ang screening at pag-grant ng LTFRB sa mga franchise kailangan pa ba ng neuro-psych test?


written exams are given to test your comprehension skills, knowledge ng mga traffic rules and regulations, signs, et. al ... driving exams are given to test your driving abilities ... drug tests are there to screen possible drug users and prohibit them from being issued a license ... saan po dito makukuha ang neuro-psychiatric test ??? di naman baliw ang hinahanap dito ... yung mga may tendency na mag-exhibit ng symptoms ng road rage ...

ltfrb ... para sa mga pampublikong sasakyan yata yun eh ... di para sa mga drivers ...

... di ka siguro dumadaan sa edsa sa gabi ... sana di ka isa sa mga pinipinahan ng mga "siraulong" drivers ng bus sa gabi ...

vicfirthph
October 22nd, 2008, 11:37 AM
grabeh nga sir mga bus sa edsa... mga bigla minsan lumiliko out sa lane nila... katakut! hehe.

L3viticus
October 22nd, 2008, 12:45 PM
written exams are given to test your comprehension skills, knowledge ng mga traffic rules and regulations, signs, et. al ... driving exams are given to test your driving abilities ... drug tests are there to screen possible drug users and prohibit them from being issued a license ... saan po dito makukuha ang neuro-psychiatric test ??? di naman baliw ang hinahanap dito ... yung mga may tendency na mag-exhibit ng symptoms ng road rage ...

ltfrb ... para sa mga pampublikong sasakyan yata yun eh ... di para sa mga drivers ...

... di ka siguro dumadaan sa edsa sa gabi ... sana di ka isa sa mga pinipinahan ng mga "siraulong" drivers ng bus sa gabi ...

I have worked in the BPO sector for years and I have also driven through EDSA in all hours in both a cage and motorcycle. my opinion, the safest time to travel through edsa is 3-5 am. why? walang mga lasing na drivers, ang mga bus drivers ay mabagal magdrive dahil naghahanap ng pasahero, and solo mo ang edsa. wala ang kabanga. KATANGAHAN mo na lang kung mabanga ang sasakyan mo. my point is.. I have driven through EDSA :s

precisely because of lack of knowledge on proper rules and regulations kaya ang daming naaksidente. lack of knowledge rin sa road courtesy and safety kaya naaaksidente.

bakit nga ba nagkakaroad rage? you can't pinpoint an exact answer to it because it is a subjective condition di ba?

as I said, the driver's exams and drug tests are all FAKE tests. tapalan mo lang ng pera pasado ka na. LTO wants to make driving safe? they want to weed out those not qualified to drive? then implement lang nila ang mga tests na yan ng maayos. yun lang hindi nila magawa?

saan ka ba nakakita ng hindi marunong magbasa, pilay, bulag na may lisensya? magtataka ka pa ba kung paano sila nakapasa sa LTO? napakaglaring na ng sagot; and now here they are may neuro-psych test pa.

LTFRB precisely dahil sa mga public utility vehicles: bus, taxi, jeep, tricycles. ikaw ata hindi pa nakakasakay sa mga PUV natin. most of them are DILAPIDATED. mga barumbado pa ang mga drivers. sa tingin mo aawardan sila ng franchise ng LTFRB kung dilapidated at mga colorum ang mga sasakyan?

L3viticus
October 22nd, 2008, 01:00 PM
Well call me a retarded moron then. :-)

How is it a good idea? Have you been out on the roads lately and seen what qualifies as your average 'driver' - an individual in charge of a machine weighing upwards of a thousand kilograms - on public streets, surrounded by 'the public' - how is it NOT a good idea to impose some minimum set of criteria common to all, and that all must follow in order to have the privilege of driving on public roads.
it is not a good idea because the same retarded moron who came out with AO-15 is now coming up with this idea.

I posed this question before: would this neuro-psych proposal be needed if the existing tests were implemented correctly?

additional question.. can you name me a country that requires a neuro-psych test on drivers?


Don't be putting words in my mouth, I said it would be a good idea and clarified it with the only circumstances I believe it would work - at no time did I say I approved of it, that I think it ~should~ be implemented, or that I don't think there are better solutions. To be sure it's a band-aid fix to a problem that stems from elsewhere in the chain. Better to hit the right nail on the head yes.
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say "Now my own thoughts are that this is indeed a good idea"? enough with the Clintonesque retort.

Probably the best, cheapest, and most simplistic solution is to enforce the damn road rules properly for one and all. Throw in a few real LTO driving tests, get rid of any ability to buy your license, and you have a system on par with the rest of the world.

this I agree with you.

Now good day to you sir. good day to you too.