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View Full Version : Autocad skills or architect.. meron lang ako question
jfdvrooooom1 October 6th, 2008, 02:30 AM Sino ba may cad skills dito or Architect sana... just want to ask something about offset ng floor area before tiles or marble.
Need to get yung exact dimensions from brick to tiles.
d'virus October 6th, 2008, 02:19 PM Technically 12.5mm non shrink grout
Normal real world allow 25mm
that is 12.5mm (or 25mm) plus tile thickness
and btw, you are talking about bricks, not blocks right?
(correct me if i'm wrong pls)
ninjablue October 9th, 2008, 08:03 AM uyyy galing ni sir dvi, kala ko sa babe lang magaling :) tawagan kita pag nagpaguhit ako haybol ha? :D
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 08:05 AM uy tol, i refer lang kita... di ko alam yun..
di ako arkitekto...
yang post ko sa baba, bluff lang yan shhhh...
nagmamarunong lang.. :clap:
ninjablue October 9th, 2008, 08:13 AM iwas ka agad ha? parang alam mo di kita babayaran :D
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 08:20 AM ayaw ko kasi ng in cash eh,
pag mula sa 'yo mas mabuti ang "in kind" :D
name my price? pm lang, mamaya magkabistuhan pa.. :clap:
ninjablue October 9th, 2008, 08:24 AM ANO?!?!?! laki mo naman sumingil?!?!?! wala man lang mcp discount??? :D
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 08:26 AM para sa yo mura na yun...
pakalat kalat lang naman ang mga yan jan sa "stable" mo :clap:
yung MGA walang sked lang...
sori sa OT/hijack sir jfdvroooom...
ninjablue October 9th, 2008, 08:48 AM sorry po OT
jerkzzz2173 October 9th, 2008, 08:49 AM 25mm ok n un, saftey kumbaga. on site naman d gaanong nasusunod un e. pero for drawing purposes, ok n ung 25. or otherwise specifide by your boss...
d ko gets bakit ka nagtanong sa bricks? ano b un? tiles sa brick wall?
ang iniisip ko kse e tiles sa concrete slab...
anyways, walls or slab, 25mm ok n un, saftey kumbaga. on site naman d gaanong nasusunod un e. pero for drawing purposes, ok n ung 25. or unless otherwise specified by your boss.
pero on site, +/- 25mm talaga nilalagay ng mason na palaman sa tiles...
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 09:01 AM d ko gets bakit ka nagtanong sa bricks? ano b un? tiles sa brick wall?
kase sir jerkzzzz, kung bricks kelangang consider mo ang "brick height" para you get the whole brick on top of your lintels..
mahirap kiharin ang brick.. not to mention for aesthetics...
(correct me if i'm wrong TS, pls)
jerkzzz2173 October 9th, 2008, 09:13 AM cguro, depende sa bricks, la pa ko nahawakan na plano na gumagamit ng ibang bricks e. puro CHB lang ung mga nakalikot ko na. hehehe.
Sa CHB 25 mm nilalagay kong allowance per layer. for drawing purposes... On site, nagagawan nila ng paraan ung differential spaceabove the top layer of CHB...
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 12:08 PM IMHO lang po sir, working w/ bricks ay iba sa CHB..
mas more accurate ka sa bricks, hindi na kase ni-re-render ang brick kaya yung mga discrepancies makikita..
with CHB, pwede mong adjust ang mortar kung me deperensya sa height..
cant do that with bricks..
that is why rin kung kaya nag ask ako kung nasaan ang proj na yan, kase kung brick, iba iba po ang sizes for different countries..
still 10mm mortar though...
Jopay22-ZX130 October 9th, 2008, 12:50 PM Kung CAD Drawings po ang usapan.. meron HATCH jan na bricks..
Di niyo na kailangang pagtalunan..:D
Ehehehe:D
d'virus October 9th, 2008, 03:19 PM Hollow Blocks at bricks lang alam ko Jopz, wala akong alam sa CAD na yan :D (totoo)
Jopay22-ZX130 October 9th, 2008, 03:39 PM Ehehehe.. tama ka naman dun..:D
Ung sa floor area daw sa offsetting..
lagay mo lang ung offset distance tapos click the item u want to offset tapos click ka papunta dun sa area na gusto mong pagoffset-an..:D
jfdvrooooom1 October 10th, 2008, 01:30 AM thanks guys sa mga replies.
Yup! I'm talking about brick. sa CAD..
question here is sabi ng boss ko kung 100mm ang brick mag plus 45 daw ako kung marble or granite ang materials na naka patong sa brick... 45mm that already includes plastering, adhesive, and hindi ko na alam ano pa yung laman ng 45mm...
Kung brick to tiles naman daw 35mm ang offset ko... Kaya lang yung turo niya sa aking mukhang pabago-bago kasi... hindi ko tuloy alam anong susundan ko na standard.
So question ko is kung meron akong 100mm na brick....
ilan ang offset ko?
and ano ang breakdown ng offset ko? meaning kung binibigyan niyo ako ng 25mm, ano ang reason bakit umabot ng 25mm... kung ang tiles for example is nasa 10mm na.... so ano yung laman ng 15mm remaining?
thanks
torring October 10th, 2008, 10:59 AM Using tile adhesive is 10mm thick + 10mm thick of ceramic/granite tile = 20mm offset from surface of floor or wall.
BTW Arkitekto po ako at sanay sa CAD at 3D Modeling.
Jopay22-ZX130 October 10th, 2008, 11:35 AM Teka bakit 45mm..
Sobrang kapal naman ata nun para sa Marble tile..
eh di lumalabas ang offsetting distance mo eh 145mm??:D
Gulo..:D
d'virus October 10th, 2008, 11:38 AM an gulo :D....
i assume na dimension ng structural slab to finish floor line ang pinag usapan,
mali ba?
Jopay22-ZX130 October 10th, 2008, 12:24 PM @D'vi..
Baka nga kasama slab kasi 100mm ang thickness
kaya plus mortar na 10mm plus 25mm - 30mm na Marble thickness..
ayan 140mm na..
baka naman 15mm ang considerable na mortar kapag marble..:D
d'virus October 10th, 2008, 01:01 PM hmmmmm.... gulo pa rin,
bat sinama ang slab?
sana me mag clarify, interested din ako ditu eh...
tatay ko kase mason...... ako masonurin din
Jopay22-ZX130 October 10th, 2008, 01:04 PM Ahahaha.. Masonurin pala ah..:D
Siguro kaya sinama ang slab kasi nagpe-pertain siya sa drawings.. mukhang building ung dina-drawing niya..:D
d'virus October 11th, 2008, 09:37 PM up ko lang...
walang magawa eh :D
tsaka curious na rin...
jfdvrooooom1 October 12th, 2008, 03:35 PM here in Singapore kasi they are using brick....walang hollow blocks, so 100mm ang thickness ng brick... so given na yun 100mm na brick... tapos gusto mag +45mm daw ako kung marble ang material or +35mm kung tiles naman
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torring October 12th, 2008, 04:02 PM Bro baka plastering yun, praparation for tileworks, pero ang kapal naman yun. Ang alam ko pag bricks kailangan talaga ng plastering at least 20mm thk prior for tileworks, kasi di pantay ang bricks. Baka naman for structural purposes yun or baka mayroon silang sinosonod na standard at code kaya ganun. Verify mo nlang kaya sa building official dyan.
d'virus October 12th, 2008, 08:30 PM i find it very interesting, bakit nga kaya iba ang dim for marble & for granite? :rolleyes:
tol, post mo pls kung malaman mo ang sagut ha?
jfdvrooooom1 October 12th, 2008, 10:18 PM just need to know as of the moment yung thickness ng:
Plastering -?mm
adhesive - ?mm
waterproofing - ?mm
at ano pa kailangan before umabot sa marble...
per same dimension ang pinapagamit sa akin kung granite at marble....
sa tiles naman 35mm lang... so kung 10mm ang tiles question is ano yung components ng 25mm bakit siya naging 35mm...
Jopay22-ZX130 October 13th, 2008, 11:57 AM Baka nga waterproofing bro..
Pero dito naman sa Philippines diba(kung di ako nagkakamali) waterproofing is only 1 - 1.5m height from the floor bakit naman full height??:D.. tapos sabihin na nating 10mm lang un..
plus plastering na 10mm plus mortar na 10mm plus 15mm na thickness ng marble..
so adding it will be 45mm thick..:D
Baka lang to guys ha.. experts torring baka naman pwede mo klaruhin..:D
d'virus October 13th, 2008, 12:27 PM makapal ba itung waterproofing? sa pagkaka-alam ko kase it is just membrane, 3mm thk (if that)..
kung me complete sections and views sana ng arch/engrs details anu?
i have a feeling na it has todo with the wall cavity....
james_ENCA October 13th, 2008, 12:31 PM interesting toh....
sabskraybeng
Jopay22-ZX130 October 13th, 2008, 12:40 PM UU nga noh..
Parang ipinapahid lang ung waterproofing eh..
naguguluhan na din ako..:D
d'virus October 14th, 2008, 03:08 PM up ko lang para sa mga experts.... :clap:
torring October 14th, 2008, 11:15 PM Mga sis baka ganito.......
Plastering = 20mm (min.)
Waterproofing = 5mm (membrane)
Topping = 20mm (pag membrane waterproofing kailangan ng conc topping/plastering)
Adhesive = 5mm (using portland cement - ito usually gamit pangpatikit ng tiles or marble/granite to conc wall/floor)
Marble/granite = 20mm thk.
Total offset = 70mm
Pag 10mm thk. ceramic tiles naman = 60mm
:?
jfdvrooooom1 October 15th, 2008, 12:04 AM Mga sis baka ganito.......
Plastering = 20mm (min.)
Waterproofing = 5mm (membrane)
Topping = 20mm (pag membrane waterproofing kailangan ng conc topping/plastering)
Adhesive = 5mm (using portland cement - ito usually gamit pangpatikit ng tiles or marble/granite to conc wall/floor)
Marble/granite = 20mm thk.
Total offset = 70mm
Pag 10mm thk. ceramic tiles naman = 60mm
:?
makapal na yata masyado... hanggang 45mm lang tayo... 20mm marble or granite so 25mm na lang hinahanap natin.... Sorry guys ha... Singaporean kasi boss ko, ang hirap kausap... Kaya hindi ko matanong kung ano yung 45mm na pinapa require niya sa akin... hindi kasi ako makagawa ng detailed plan specially kapag pinapa zoom niya ang kanto ng marble tapos champered pa sa magkabilang kanto 5mm each.
Jopay22-ZX130 October 15th, 2008, 01:07 PM eto mga papa, tinanong ko dun sa estimator namin..
sabi niya, bukod sa topping at waterproofing eh nagpapasobra daw talaga sa drawing ng cad para safe..
what if, wala daw 20mm na Marble at ang meron eh 25mm, at least safe pa rin daw sa space planning ika-nga..:D
jfdvrooooom1 October 15th, 2008, 10:52 PM eto mga papa, tinanong ko dun sa estimator namin..
sabi niya, bukod sa topping at waterproofing eh nagpapasobra daw talaga sa drawing ng cad para safe..
what if, wala daw 20mm na Marble at ang meron eh 25mm, at least safe pa rin daw sa space planning ika-nga..:D
I see... thanks sa info... now kung 20mm to 25mm ang marble/granite, ano yung components ng 20mm para maging 45mm
Jopay22-ZX130 October 16th, 2008, 10:15 AM He told me that di mo naman un talaga ganung mabre-breakdown..
Puro more or less, but it consists of grout, then waterproofing (if needed) and some plastering for the bricks para pantay..:D
siguro like Bro Torring had indicated..
Quoting from Bro Torring..
Plastering = 20mm (min.) (pa-check na lang ng specs jan sa Sing.. baka kasi 10mm lang jan..)
Waterproofing = 5mm (membrane) (baka ganun din dito..)
Topping/Grout(Adheive) = 20mm (pag membrane waterproofing kailangan ng conc topping/plastering) (pa-check na lang ng specs jan sa Sing.. baka kasi 10mm lang jan..)
:D
d'virus October 22nd, 2008, 06:15 PM up...........
@ jfdvrooooom1: wala pa po bang clarification eto?
jfdvrooooom1 October 22nd, 2008, 07:35 PM nakita ko sa lumang project nila
20mm - granite or marble
12mm - adhesive
12mm - mortar
1mm - waterproofing
total of 45mm
10mm - tiles
12mm - adhesive
12mm - mortar
1mm - waterproofing
total of 35mm
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