wala po sanang magagalit


We all know that wearing a helmet will protect our head from impact in case of an accident...
and it is the basis kung bakit may batas on wearing helmets.

we all know about it's PRO's because there are a study and test done for wearing a helmet...

but what are it's CON's? any comments and story involving bad effect of helmet, kindly post it heare, TIA.

medyo maliit yung view pag sa fullface pero sanayan lang yan. pag may kakilala kang nakit hindi mo matawag kasi hindi ka nya makikilala kasi naka takip muka mo baka mapagkamalan kang manliliko at maupakan ka. :D

with helmet -Open casket
without helmet - closed casket
:o

may mga kilala akong mahilig makipagkarera sa mga walang helmet sa kalsada, because they think daw na may advantage sila in high speeds over sa mga walang helmet...

cons? mentally, akala nila safe sila palagi pag naka helmet...they disregard other safety precautions sa pagmamaneho...kadalasan..., kung sino pa tong mga naka helmet, sila pa tong irresponsable at barubal magmaneho sa kalsada...as my observation lang naman...

with helmet -Open casket
without helmet - closed casket
:o

+1 to that.

damn hot kahit may breather!
mabigat kahit yung pinakamagaan ng mamahalin na brand.
false sense of safety.

mainit...on afternoon drives
mabaho...lalo na pag luma na helmet mo at kapag nabasa ang loob

and on my observation lang po nakakabingi minsan lalo na after ng long drive hindi kasi lahat ng helmet air tight so may pumapasok na hangin well depende na siguro sa klase ng helmet na gamit

bawas pogi points....ito ay kung gwapo ka hehehe peace :D

another thing nagiging over confident ang driver na magmaneho ng mabilis dahil iniisip nya na naka helmet naman siya at naka full battle gear.i mean nag iiba ang mood ng driver pag naka helmet sa hindi naka helmet

How about saying CONS kapag bad ang helmet mo. Ano ba talaga ang the best helmet? Pang all around, rainy, sunny,bagyo.

I have used my helmet for 1 year na, I feel I have the right to harorot sa kalsada, lahat ng tao dito parang feel mo artista ka kapag naka helmet ehehehe. Lumingon sila at espesyali mga bata sisigaw sila ng "Power Rangers!!!", napatawa ako palagi. Unusual kase sa Dumaguete, but it is taking its toll na po kase required po sa school campus namin. Tinuturuan kami mag follow rules.

there is no such thing as too much protection...

ask somebody who just took a slide at 100kph... :rolleyes:

________

pagkarating mo sa pupuntahan mo, kelangan dalhin mo... may risk kasi leaving it sa motot at baka may kukuha nito :D

kapag nakahelmet, hindi masyadong kita yung kagwapuhan ng rider...

though really doesn't matter kasi sa mata ng rider mas gwapo kapag may helmet... hehehehe

mas gwapo naman syempre yung buhay pa pagkatapos ng spill :)

Mahirap marinig nung driver na gumitgit syo na minumura mo na sya. :D

Cons in wearing a helmet

1. you don't look cool
2. you can't hear everything around you -- when wearing half or fullface
3. you have limited peripheral vision -- when wearing fullface
4. people or law enforcers may suspect that you might be a criminal -- especially when wearing tinted visors
5. if the helmet is too heavy for you upon severe impact -- it may snap your neck and even kill you.
6. madami pa pero these are the things that come into my mind

Cons in wearing a helmet

1. you don't look cool
2. you can't hear everything around you -- when wearing half or fullface
3. you have limited peripheral vision -- when wearing fullface
4. people or law enforcers may suspect that you might be a criminal -- especially when wearing tinted visors
5. if the helmet is too heavy for you upon severe impact -- it may snap your neck and even kill you.
6. madami pa pero these are the things that come into my mind

i beg to disagree with the bold statement...:D

Bikes and Helmets, dapat parati magkasama...
pag nag hiwalay...patay!

Bikes and Helmets, dapat parati magkasama...
pag nag hiwalay...patay!

kahit magkasama pa yan kung iresponsable magmaneho yung driver...PATAY!

there is no such thing as too much protection...

ask somebody who just took a slide at 100kph... :rolleyes:

yeah... so why did he slid? did his helmet helped him not to slid? it did protect him.... AFTERWARDS.

But why would you wait for AFTERWARDS... when discipline, skills and great attitude can PREVENT the AFTERWARDS?

Bikes and Helmets, dapat parati magkasama...
pag nag hiwalay...patay!


mas maganda po yata kung helmet and ulo ng rider ang magkasama...

marami po kasi sa naaaksidente magkasama ang helmet at bike.... nasa manibela, gilid, nakapatong..

cons ng helmet... lagi mong bitbit..
isa sa iniingatan na wag magasgasan
hirap mag drive at hindi makahinga lalo na pag di sanay ang me suot..


pero para sa akin mas gwapo ang rider pag naka helmet...=b

kasi pag kumalat ka di ka agad makikilala

...kasi pag kumalat ka di ka agad makikilala

nyahahaha :O this I like! Apir!

wow very intelligent topic you have here boys? :D

- laman lagi ng isip mo, di mo alam kung saan safe iwan
- badtrip kapag umuulan, kahit may anti fog yung lens mo nagfo-fog parin
- wrong impression on total safety
- can make you faint while riding on a hot summer day (kulob ang init kahit buksan mo yung visor)
- marami pang iba

yeah... so why did he slid? did his helmet helped him not to slid? it did protect him.... AFTERWARDS.

But why would you wait for AFTERWARDS... when discipline, skills and great attitude can PREVENT the AFTERWARDS?

malayu nga naman siguro sa topic yung comment ko, i was just trying to say, please wear your gears.. :)

sir, even the MOST experienced and skilled rider is vulnerable to accidents ... that is a fact..
nothing can prevent an accident... the longer you are on the road, the more chances ang chances na mangyari yun
my 2c worth

sori sa OT...

malayu nga naman siguro sa topic yung comment ko, i was just trying to say, please wear your gears.. :)

sir, even the MOST experienced and skilled rider is vulnerable to accidents ... that is a fact..
nothing can prevent an accident... the longer you are on the road, the more chances ang chances na mangyari yun
my 2c worth

sori sa OT...

pre napapnsin ko kung san san na kita nakikita ah....
ngkakalat kn ngyon.....

mas maganda po yata kung helmet and ulo ng rider ang magkasama...

marami po kasi sa naaaksidente magkasama ang helmet at bike.... nasa manibela, gilid, nakapatong..

cons ng helmet... lagi mong bitbit..
isa sa iniingatan na wag magasgasan
hirap mag drive at hindi makahinga lalo na pag di sanay ang me suot..


pero para sa akin mas gwapo ang rider pag naka helmet...=b

kasi pag kumalat ka di ka agad makikilala

nag helmet ka pa sir kung ayaw mo naman magasgasan ......

para di ot..

it takes too much storage space in the house.......... but maganda sa mata pag naka helera na mga hemet mo ......


better be safe than sorry ..... always wear a DOT/ECE/SNELL helmets

Cons in wearing a helmet

1. you don't look cool
2. you can't hear everything around you -- when wearing half or fullface
3. you have limited peripheral vision -- when wearing fullface
4. people or law enforcers may suspect that you might be a criminal -- especially when wearing tinted visors
5. if the helmet is too heavy for you upon severe impact -- it may snap your neck and even kill you.
6. madami pa pero these are the things that come into my mind


yong #1: parang disagree ako dito, mas cool ba tignan ang rider pag walang helmet?
yong #2: yong statement kasi parang sinabing wala na syang naririnig sa paligid, ako ok lang naman, rinig ko rin naman yong ingay na minimize lang.
yong #3: kaya nga may side mirror, para makita mo nasa likod, maliban na lang kung walang side mirror o hindi sanay yong rider na gumamit ng sidemirror

yong #4: ito yong mahirap, you're obeying the law pero, pagkakamalan kang hoodlum . if Suansing understand this one. baka tangalin ang helmet law, we know the fact that some criminals, use motorcycle as there get away vehicle.
para makilala yon mga criminal na nakamotor, better abolished the helmet law.

yong #5: the helmet protects the head from impact, but which protects the our neck.

if only some NGO, study about the dangers of wearing a helmet and not only study the benefits of wearing one

Cons in wearing a helmet

1. you don't look cool.. yun kung mas pogi ka pa sa helmet mo :D alot of people will dis agree on this one
2. you can't hear everything around you -- when wearing half or fullface yes you can, enough to survive but not enough to listen to conversations.. bakit yung naka kotse na sarado ang bintana?
3. you have limited peripheral vision -- when wearing fullface surely helmets(esp quality standards) are designed with limiting peripheral vision in mind
4. people or law enforcers may suspect that you might be a criminal -- especially when wearing tinted visors not the helmet prob per se, it is the ignorance then..
5. if the helmet is too heavy for you upon severe impact -- it may snap your neck and even kill you. you dont need as much of the said impact to crush your skull..before some wise guy could comment.. if you run through a wall at 120kph, no amount of protection can help you..fact
6. madami pa pero these are the things that come into my mind


sorry to disagree with these guys... there may be some disadvantages on wearing helmets(i am yet to be convinced) but surely it is all more than made up by the protection it offers..
as i always point out, kung malalaman mo kung kailan ka sesemplang would you risk not wearing a helmet then??
prob is accidents happen when we least expect it...

wala po sanang magagalit


We all know that wearing a helmet will protect our head from impact in case of an accident...
and it is the basis kung bakit may batas on wearing helmets.

we all know about it's PRO's because there are a study and test done for wearing a helmet...

but what are it's CON's? any comments and story involving bad effect of helmet, kindly post it heare, TIA.

cguro para sakin ang bad effect ng helmet kapag di fit or masikip sya sa ulo mo magiging bad effect nito headache kasi yun locking jaw natin kapag nasisikipan can cause headache. skain kasi nabili ko na helmet modular masikip sa bandang jaw ko or panga kaya pala laging masakit ulo ko. ang helmet does'nt mean naka helmet ka sure na safe ka ang use talaga ng helmet e ma - lessing ang injury natin sa head part.

pa-subscribe po..
interesting thread here..:D

para di OT tulad ni james..

CONS of a helmet..
pag di sayo its either mabaho or basa.. (this applies sa mga biglaang lakad na di mo dala helmet mo)
much storage space is required
nakakatakot iwan sa motot (baka may manguha..unless sira sira na helmet mo :D)
magastos..:D i mean mabigat sa bulsa since a good helmet is not that cheap..

yan na muna..pero pag naka helmet ka.. ang tingin sayo ng ibang girls..
you're totally COOOOLLLL.....:D

malayu nga naman siguro sa topic yung comment ko, i was just trying to say, please wear your gears.. :)

sir, even the MOST experienced and skilled rider is vulnerable to accidents ... that is a fact..
nothing can prevent an accident... the longer you are on the road, the more chances ang chances na mangyari yun
my 2c worth

sori sa OT...

I know that we cannot prevent accidents.... but refering to your previous post.... we can prevent sliding at 100kph speed... that who slid at 100kph is obviously a speed-freak. I would understand if its in the race track. But on public roads? nah....

So this actually resolve to one of the cons of wearing helmet... like the other forumers says.... its gives the rider the feeling of "I'm wearing a DOT certified helmet and I'm protected SO I WILL RIDE FASTER THAN MY ANGEL CAN FLY". It gave him the comfort (too much of it) that he has neglected riding defensively.

I know that we cannot prevent accidents.... but refering to your previous post.... we can prevent sliding at 100kph speed... that who slid at 100kph is obviously a speed-freak. I would understand if its in the race track. But on public roads? nah....

So this actually resolve to one of the cons of wearing helmet... like the other forumers says.... its gives the rider the feeling of "I'm wearing a DOT certified helmet and I'm protected SO I WILL RIDE FASTER THAN MY ANGEL CAN FLY". It gave him the comfort (too much of it) that he has neglected riding defensively.

Parang signature ko yan sir ah! Sino po nagsabi nung nasa bold letters? He needs to be informed that driving defensively would be the best way to avoid accidents. Helmets and protective gear are there to protect you in case of a crash but we must remember that preventing a crash is still the best way to go.

Para di OT... Cons ng helmet.. dinadagukan ako ng misis ko sa ulo pag nakita na nya na nakahelmet na ako. :D

cite ko lang ang ilang studies na available that challenges how we think about helmets.



<TABLE cellPadding=0 width=478 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The Effect of Motorcycle Helmet Use on the Probability of Fatality and the Severity of Head And Neck Injuries
Jonathan P. Goldstein, Ph.D.
Department of Economics
Bowdoin College
Brunswick, Maine 04011


Highlights of Helmet Effectiveness Study
Methodology
1. This study employs standard statistical techniques (regression analysis) to isolate the main determinants of death and injury severity resulting from motorcycle accidents.
2. The data analyzed in this study were provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation and originally collected by Hurt et al. (1981), contract No. DOT HS-5-01160. These data are currently recognized as the most accurate and detailed available on motorcycle accidents (See pp. 11-12).
3. The effectiveness of helmets and other determinants of death and injury severity are estimated from a causal model. Three variants of one causal model are used to isolate the determinants of: (1) the probability of a fatality; (2) the severity of head injuries; and (3) the severity of neck injuries.
4. The use of a causal model distinguishes the research methodology of this study from previous studies. The advantage of this approach lies in the ability to estimate the separate effects of several simultaneous and interrelated causes of motorcycle fatalities and injury severities (pp. 2-4). Previous studies simply divide accident victims into a helmeted group and non-helmeted group. As a result all differences in fatality rates, injury rates and injury severities between groups are erroneously attributed to helmet use. These comparisons fail to consider other differences between helmet users and non-users which influence the probability of death and the severity of injuries. The most plausible hypothesis is that helmeted riders are more risk-averse and thus: (1) have lower pre-crash and thus crash speeds; and (2) are less likely to combine alcohol consumption and driving. Such behavior, rather than helmet use per se, may dramatically reduce the probability of fatality or the severity of an injury. Only a causal model that considers crash speed, helmet use, alcohol use and other pertinent variables can isolate the separate contribution of each determinant of the severity of injury or probability of death.
Causal Model (pp. 4-8)
1. The causal model considers three broad categories of the causes of death and injury severity. These include factors governed by the laws of physics, physiological factors. and human factors and operator characteristics.
2. The physical factors considered include: the kinetic energy (potential for bodily damage) transferred to the motorcycle operator by the impact, compressibility of the impacted object, helmet use, and possible engineering limitations of helmets (as affected by the impact speed that the helmet is subjected to in the crash).
3. The physiological factors considered include: operator's age, blood alcohol level, drug involvement, and permanent physiological impairment.
4. The human factors and operator characteristics considered include: rider on-road experience, whether the operator had taken the correct evasive action for the particular accident situation, driver training, and the operator's past accident and violation histories.
5. Numerous other determinants were also considered.

Results (pp. 13-18)
1. Helmets are shown to have no statistically significant effect on the probability of a fatality given that a motorcycle accident has occurred. This means that based on standard statistical tests we cannot reject the claim that helmets do not affect the probability that a rider will survive a motorcycle accident.
2. The major determinants of fatality are the rider's crash speed (kinetic energy) and blood alcohol level.
3. For the average rider involved in the average accident, it is found that the probability of death increases from 2.1% to 11.3% when the rider's blood alcohol level increases from 0.0 to 0.1 (from sober to legally intoxicated in most states).
4. In the same vein, an increase in the crash speed from 40 to 60 mph increases the probability of death from 7.1% to 36.3%
5. It is found that helmets have a statistically significant effect in reducing head injury severity. We can reject the hypothesis that helmets have no effect on head injuries in favor of the claim that they reduce head injuries.
6. It is shown that past a critical impact velocity to the helmet (approximately 13 mph), helmet use has a statistically significant effect which increases the severity of neck injuries. Thus we reject the claim that, helmets have no effect on neck injuries in favor of the claim that, past a critical impact speed, they exacerbate neck injuries.
7. As a result of (5) and (6), we establish that a tradeoff between head and neck injuries confronts a potential helmet user. Past a critical impact speed to the helmet (13 mph), which is likely to occur in real life accident situations helmet use reduces the severity of head injuries at the expense of increasing the severity of neck injuries.
8. Further statistical tests reveal the qualitative nature of this tradeoff. It is shown that an individual who wears a helmet and experiences an impact velocity to the head greater than 13 mph may avoid either severe or minor head injuries and incur either severe or minor neck injuries; all permutations of the tradeoff are equally likely to occur.
Policy Implications (pp. 18-20)
1. If a major concern of policy makers is the prevention of fatalities, helmet legislation may not be effective in achieving that objective.
2. If the overall cost to society of motorcycle accidents is the issue, then cost-benefit analyses that adequately consider the tradeoff between head and neck injuries must be conducted before the cost effectiveness of helmets can be determined.
3. Until the injury tradeoff issue is more carefully studied, it cannot be concluded that mandatory helmet use laws are an effective method to eradicate the slaughter and maiming, of individuals involved in motorcycle accidents.
4. A more effective policy approach would be two pronged, including both policies to prevent accidents and policies that effectively reduce the probability of death and the severity of injuries. 5. Policies to prevent accidents include: (1) the education of the general driving public; (2) the education of a younger and more inexperienced population of motorcyclists on the issues of accident avoidance and the proper use and control of high horsepower machines: (3) stricter enforcement of drunk driving laws; and (4) implementation of alcohol awareness programs. 6. Policies to reduce death and injury severity include: stricter enforcement of speed limits. the alcohol related policies suggested in (5) and mandatory driver training and education programs which emphasize the proper execution of evasive action.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Movement and Motion Sickness
Humans (indeed all mammals) incorporate exceedingly complex feedback mechanisms involving vision, touch, vestibular sensation, proprioception (bodily position) and somato-sensation (pressure on skin). These integrated mechanisms have evolved across perhaps a hundred million years in order to enable walking, running, fighting, capturing food, as well as sex, racquetball and the operation of video games.
One may view this perceptual system as a highly redundant way of determining the state of the body in the world and of enabling the planning of actions. When cues are inconsistent, the organism must adapt and make its best estimate of the true state of affairs. This integrated system is not at all well understood, but a number of properties have been established.
Among the generally accepted facts are these:

Visual simulators (e.g. flight simulators), both with and without motion bases, often cause symptoms indistinguishable from motion sickness and space sickness. Here, we will refer to the phenomenon as sim-sickness.
Sim-sickness has many manifestations besides emesis (nausea and vomiting), including fatigue, generally lowered performance, and headache. The subject may not be consciously aware that his or her performance has been degraded.
Simply adding a weight to a person's head can induce motion sickness, because of the altered feedback loops involving muscle action and head motion.
Delays in visual feedback due to tracker latency, vehicle dynamics, models and visual system delays are a well-known source of sim-sickness.
Some people don't experience problems, some do. Some adapt readily, some not at all.
No general theory exists to predict what combinations of inputs and outputs will be disruptive, easy or hard to adapt to, or who will be must likely to feel the effects.

Two "layers" of causes for sim-sickness can be described: a primary layer that is essentially due to the failings of today's technology, and a second layer that is inherent to the process of simulation. We can anticipate that improving technology will eliminate most of the primary effects, for example by speeding the operation of trackers and visual systems. The inherent effects include the impossibility of providing sustained accelerations which are fully consistent with, say, a simulated aircraft flight -- short of putting the simulator in an airplane or spacecraft!

Cons in wearing a helmet

1. you don't look cool = I beg to disagree, lalo na kung mamahalin ang helmet mo.
2. you can't hear everything around you -- when wearing half or fullface = But not to the point na talgang bingi ka na. I can still hear everything besides me, except na lang yung kakausapin ka ng parang hindi ka nakahelmet. Yun ang talaganghindi ko rinig.
3. you have limited peripheral vision -- when wearing fullface = Nope! Mas nahihirapan nga akong makakit pag walang helmet due to the wind slamming at my face. Lalo na pag maalikabok, aruy! sakit sa mata!
4. people or law enforcers may suspect that you might be a criminal -- especially when wearing tinted visors = eto yung may pagkatotoo.
5. if the helmet is too heavy for you upon severe impact -- it may snap your neck and even kill you. = ilang beses na ito piangusapan at pinag-aralan. ayaw ko na ulit-ulitin.

<CENTER>NHTSA DOESN'T KNOW
(or care?)
IF THEY'RE KILLING OUR KIDS?!?
</CENTER>
Slowly but surely, the Helmet Law Defense League (HLDL) has been pulling information out of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) indicating that their motorcycle helmet "safety standards" are anything but safe.
On February 19, 1997, the following e-mail inquiry was sent to NHTSA: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:36:29 -0800
To:jsyner@nhtsa.dot.gov
From:quig@usff.com (quig)
Subject:Motorcycle helmet safety for kids?

Mr. Syner,
I am interested in knowing at what age (or body weight) it is considered more safe than sorry (to the neck) for a child to wear a 3 lb. motorcycle helmet?
Working on the theory that it is not safe to shake a baby because their neck will break, we are interested on how old that baby must be (or what body weight) to accommodate the purported safety benefits of a motorcycle helmet that complies with FMVSS 218 before the threat to the neck, caused by an added 3 or more pounds of additional stress on the neck, is overcome?
I picked 3 lbs. because that is the average weight of what most uninformed consumers generally consider the "safest" helmet -- the full-face motorcycle helmet. (The amount of force of such helmets at moving speeds is substantially greater than the actual weight of the static helmet, but that is not part of this request because we figure that you have incorporated that into your findings anyway.) I just want to know the basics of NHTSA's recommendations in this regard, and on what those recommendations are founded.
Thank you,
Sincerely, Richard J. Quigley, Sr. Deputy Director
Helmet Law Defense League
quig@usff.com
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Well, they used up all thirty days their policy allows to form a response, but as you will notice, even then they were reluctant to be absolutely straight forward with their answer.
However, one thing is clear from their response; NHTSA has avoided ever testing the impact of the exchange of a threat to the cervical for protection of the cranial. They are so dedicated to their agenda of imposing helmet laws on all motorcyclists (obviously not for safety reasons) that they don't even pretend to actually know (or bother caring about) the impact of their influence. If any of you have reports about individuals who are suffering from injuries brought on by a so-called "safety helmet", please forward them to us so we can build our evidence package on the result of NHTSA's irresponsible conduct.
Anyway, here was their response (dated March 20, 1997): Mr. Richard J. Quigley, Sr.
Deputy Director
Helmet Law Defense League
5886-B Fern Flat Road
Aptos, CA 95003
Dear Mr. Quigley:
This is in response to your recent e-mail to Joey Synder concerning motorcycle helmet safety for children. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218, Motorcycle Helmets, specifies performance requirements for all sizes of helmets that are sold on the U. S. market. The standard does not differentiate between the ages of helmet users. Consequently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has not studied the effects of the weight of the helmet on potential neck injury in relation to the age of helmet users. (emphasis added)
I hope this information will be helpful to you. If I can be of further assistance, please contact me or William Liu at (202) 366-4923. Sincerely,
(signature) (http://usff.com/hldl/gifs/040197nhtsa.gif)
George Mouchahior
Acting Chief, Special Vehicles and Systems Division


Let me see if I've got this . . . NHTSA does not know if it is unsafe for a person to wear a helmet? That's what they're saying!
Whether or not helmets have the potential to break a neck is beyond honest contention . . . they do, regardless of the age of the kid. Whether or not helmets interfere with a rider's ability to protect himself or herself by limiting their senses is a simple fact. Whether or not the mandatory helmet thing is just a device to discourage motorcycle riding is long past reasonable denial. The only real question is when bikers are going to figure out that they need to fight back in some meaningful way, or someday face losing our right to ride altogether. quig



*lifted from the website of HLDL website.

Research tips:

Don't concentrate on one organization only...

Besides NHTSA, look for MSF studies...

Also, consider the dates of the said topics... Research and development is a never ending process... They may find more stuff as the years progress...

Just because these topics exist in the internet means they are the most recent and most comprehensive study out there...

Believe me, there are more stuff about the topic than meets the eye...

In stored data alone, you would need gigabytes upon gigabytes of documentation... And that is not even counting the images on the said files...

CONS
mainit
maliit ang view
mahina pandinig



pero habang naka-helmet ka naman poging pogi ka sa paningin ng mga nakakintindi sa pagmamaneho ng motor lalo na kung makintab at makinis ang helmet mo :D

Research tips:

Don't concentrate on one organization only...

Besides NHTSA, look for MSF studies...

Also, consider the dates of the said topics... Research and development is a never ending process... They may find more stuff as the years progress...

Just because these topics exist in the internet means they are the most recent and most comprehensive study out there...

Believe me, there are more stuff about the topic than meets the eye...

In stored data alone, you would need gigabytes upon gigabytes of documentation... And that is not even counting the images on the said files...
nhtsa ang source ng mga data na ginagamit sa statistics sa US. different studies interpret the data differently. pero yun pa rin ang data na ginagamit. as for the dates, yun kasi yung data na ginamit ng mga pro mandatory helmet para i-defend ang reason nila for making helmet mandatory sa california. that was in 1996.
as you can see. iba iba ang mga nag conduct ng studies. naka indicate naman sa mga pinost ko kung sino o anong org ang gumawa ng studies na yan.

again, I'd like to make it clear na I am for using a helmet. I'm just posting yung mga studies na sumasagot sa tanong ng TS.

imho, the pros far outweight the cons. besides, kaya nga meron rules on proper riding. they are there to compensate for the limitions of our helmets. how about looking at it this way:

mainit ang helmet but keeps you alert at all times.
limited ang vision at hearing to keep you on your lane.
pag may bitbit kang helmet, people (not all) know you are a responsible rider.
mahal ang helmet kasi mahal mo buhay mo

:D

nhtsa ang source ng mga data na ginagamit sa statistics sa US. different studies interpret the data differently. pero yun pa rin ang data na ginagamit. as for the dates, yun kasi yung data na ginamit ng mga pro mandatory helmet para i-defend ang reason nila for making helmet mandatory sa california. that was in 1996.
as you can see. iba iba ang mga nag conduct ng studies. naka indicate naman sa mga pinost ko kung sino o anong org ang gumawa ng studies na yan.

again, I'd like to make it clear na I am for using a helmet. I'm just posting yung mga studies na sumasagot sa tanong ng TS.

It's not just NHTSA noypito...

There is about 3-5 more organizations where they derive information from...

NHTSA is just one of the few organizations that compile the data and do some research...

Try the Motorcycle Saftey Foundation of the US... http://www.msf-usa.org

And there are others too...

http://www.smsa.org

http://www.ca-msp.org/

http://www.mrf.org

And so on and so fourth...

1. mainit ang helmet but keeps you alert at all times.
2. limited ang vision at hearing to keep you on your lane.
:D

Sir paki-elaborate naman further tnx.

special olympics again :) malalaki nanaman tayo lahat, alam na natin ang tama at mali at kung saan tyo masasaktan...

where will this thread boil down, mag insist na wag na tayo mag helmet??? thats crazy!

special olympics again :) malalaki nanaman tayo lahat, alam na natin ang tama at mali at kung saan tyo masasaktan...

where will this thread boil down, mag insist na wag na tayo mag helmet??? thats crazy!
agree ako dito. insisting na wag mag helmet is as crazy as insisting na mag helmet. both sides are trying to prove their points. wala pang exact science sa accidents. unless ma sabi mo kung anong klaseng impact ang mangyayari sayo sa tuwing maaaksidente ka, walang makakapagsabi kung yung helmet ay makakatulong o makakasama.

imho, the pros far outweight the cons. besides, kaya nga meron rules on proper riding. they are there to compensate for the limitions of our helmets. how about looking at it this way:
so far so good.

mainit ang helmet but keeps you alert at all times.
pag mainit, nahahati ang attention mo. your mind has to contend with the discomfort brought about by the heat. pag sobrang init, bumabagal ang reflexes natin. yun ang paraan ng katawan para mag cool down sya ng konti by toning down it's activities so you won't generate as much heat.

limited ang vision at hearing to keep you on your lane.
keeping on your lane has got to do with your discipline as a rider. walang kinalaman ang limited vision except slow down your reflex time. mas matatagalan ng fraction of a second ang pag lingon mo since mas malaki ang kailangan mong angle ng paglingon.

pag may bitbit kang helmet, people (not all) know you are a responsible rider.
I don't see any connection here. anong connection ng pagbitbit ng helmet sa pagiging responsible rider? a responsible rider is a rider na responsable sa pag raride nya. di sya pasaway. ang rider na may bitbit na helmet is just that- a rider na may bitbit na helmet. responsible man sya o hindi, makikita sa pagmamaneho nya.

mahal ang helmet kasi mahal mo buhay mo

:D
wala rin akong makitang connection sa pagkamahal ng helmet sa mahal ng buhay.

@ironwolf: sir based lang sa experience ko yung ni-post ko. i'm trying to see the good thing that we can get from our helmets shortcomings. di ba pag mainit syempre di ka antukin. with limited vision and hearing, magdadalawang isip ka kung change lane ka or not kahit kita mo pa yung likod dahil nga baka meron sasakyan sa tabi mo or nasa bandang blind side mo. so the result, you stay on your lane. medyo malabo nga e hehehe hirap explain :D

It's not just NHTSA noypito...

There is about 3-5 more organizations where they derive information from...

NHTSA is just one of the few organizations that compile the data and do some research...

Try the Motorcycle Saftey Foundation of the US... http://www.msf-usa.org

And there are others too...

http://www.smsa.org

http://www.ca-msp.org/

http://www.mrf.org

And so on and so fourth...
familiar ako sa msf, smsa and mrf. yung www.ca-msp.org (http://www.ca-msp.org) lang ang di ko pa nababasa. i'll look into it. msf, smsa, and mrf uses the data of nhtsa for their studies. yung nhtsa lang ang gov't agency na may pinaka accurate na data regarding accidents sa US highways.
private organizations don't have the facilities to record all accidents kaya they all rely on the data provided by nhtsa.

msf is not pro mandatory helmet. their stance is :
To make motorcycling safer and more enjoyable by ensuring access to lifelong quality education and training for current and prospective riders, and by advocating a safer riding environment.

maraming freedom fighters sa us ang gumagamit din ng mga studies ng msf para labanan ang mandatory helmet laws.

with helmet = protected ang head and brain against injuries + possible neck injury
or
without helmet = scarred face + broken jaw + eye trauma + cracked skull + brain trauma + paralysis + no neck injuries

sanka sa dalawa???

or kung ayaw mo kahit ano dyan, wag ka na mag motor!

Gotta love your comments.....:D

keep em coming.....

By the way, how much are you willing to spend for a true certified full face helmet?

let me start..... i think 1900 is good.

yung 411 na helmet is not certified dot.... kasi yung helmet na yun is really used for skiing na inadopt for motorcycle. If it were....then pwede bumaba sa 1500 pesos

ang ca-msp.org pala is the group established by the California Highway Patrol. they definitely use the data from NHTSA.

in short. pag dating sa highway statistics sa states, NHTSA is the undisputed authority there. difference lang is how each group interpret the data.

with helmet = protected ang head and brain against injuries + possible neck injury
tanggalin mo nalang sa equation ang possible neck injury. kasi wala namang protection ang helmet sa neck. kahit mga pro helmet advocates do not make that claim. maraming studies na nagpapakita na helmets do cause neck injuries. mas tama siguro if you said, "with helmets= possible protection of head and brain against injuries."

or
without helmet = scarred face + broken jaw + eye trauma + cracked skull + brain trauma + paralysis + no neck injuries

sanka sa dalawa???
"without helmet = possible scarred face + possible broken jaw + possible eye trauma + possible cracked skull. (kahit naman with helmet, lahat na yan possible pa rin. it is a misnomer that helmet will negate the chances of those things happening. basahin mo disclaimer ng mga helmets manufacturer.)

or kung ayaw mo kahit ano dyan, wag ka na mag motor!



anong kinalaman ng last statement mo sa buong issue? ano naman ang connection sa choice mo sa pagsuot ng helmet or ayaw sa choice mo kung magmomotor ka o hindi?

mukang nagkakainitan na dito ah, mali ata na ginawa ko itong thread na ito....


my own point of view guys..

like what sir xx2000 said

with helmet = protected ang head and brain against injuries + possible neck injury

our head is not totally protected, it will lessen the impact but not totally, so my possibility na magkaroon ka pa rin ng cracked skull,brain trauma etc...

kung barumbado magpatakbo yong rider kahit naka full gear, hindi sya sasantuhin ni kamatayan...

without helmet = scarred face + broken jaw + eye trauma + cracked skull + brain trauma + paralysis + no neck injuries

sanka sa dalawa???

i rather choose this one, why?
because with or without helmet, nagiingat ako.

i can fix my broken jaw, scarred face. i can live with a crack skull or a brain trauma but i think if you break you're neck consider you're self dead

aminin man natin o hindi, pag naka helmet or full gear man tayo mas nagiging aggresive tayo sa pagpapatakbo, kasi hindi natin masyado napapansin ang nasa paligid ntin at ng speed natin...

rather than walang helmet, na karamihan sa atin takot magpatakbo ng mabilis.