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Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 06:22 PM
There has been a lot of speculation about what was going to happen today September 10, 2008. During the last meeting with the LTO last August it was decided that a Technical Working Group shall be convened a month from the said date to discuss the controversial parts of Administrative Order AHS-2008-015.
The meeting started out a bit late at around 8:45AM with the participants being asked to register before being seated in the Bulwagang Romeo Edu in the LTO Main Office in East Avenue, Quezon City. Ms. Daisy Jacobo, Chief of the Traffic Safety Division, LTO started the meeting by introducing Jake Swann of the MRC and MCPF. Jake then turned over the floor to MRO Chair and MAP Interim President Jobert Bolanos for a brief presentation of the community’s stand on the AO.

It was at this point that things began to turn rather odd. At the start of the presentation as Jobert mentioned that workgroups will be formed after the presentation, Ms. Jacobo suddenly interjected and said, rather sternly, that there will be no more workgroups and that we can continue on with the presentation and that we had the whole venue to ourselves till the afternoon, after which she promptly stormed out of the room. Jobert continued his presentation to the confused audience who were all wondering where the representative from the LTO was since this was a presentation that was designed for THEM.
As Jobert tried his best to continue his presentation, at around 9:15 AM, LTO Chief Roberto Suansing made a rather surprising and sudden appearance. I will not speculate as to who dragged him out of his office but it was a good thing because coming into the theater behind him was Ms. Jacobo herself.
After a few introductions, Asec. Suansing gave a short speech mostly about the general nature of the AO and expressed hope that we can resolve the issue by working with them. After that brief statement he turns over the floor to Ms. Jacobo again who introduces Senior Supt. Dennis Siervo, chief of the HPG National Capital Region Office.
Now I welcome the Supt. Siervo’s candor during his time on the rostrum but I honestly believe that he came out too stern and was berating us most of the time regarding how hard it is for them to implement and apprehend lawless elements. And take note, he used the moniker “motorcycle criminals” a bit too often to describe riders. Though a bit on the rough and unpolished side, I understand where Supt. Siervo is coming from. They are just following the letter of the law since they are enforcers. An audience with Supt. Siervo may be needed at a future time to discuss other matters but for today’s agenda he was, as a popular forum lingo goes, Off Topic.
After a 15 minute break Ms. Jacobo hurriedly went inside again and divided the group into 5 subgroups to discuss the Issues, Alternative Solutions and Governing Body. Any discussion about the presentation was shot down altogether saying that if we were going to have the presentation there was not going to be any Workshop. I honestly felt I was back in Grade School as the group of grown men and leaders of the MC community and industry were made to group themselves into 5’s and write on a big sheet of Manila Paper with Pentel Pens. Honestly, it was a bad bad Grade School flashback. It was at this time that I seriously doubted the sincerity of the LTO to produce solutions based on our recommendations.
After being given 25 minutes to formulate recommendations on a complex issue, each group was made to report, in front of the class, i mean group. The recommendations were mostly of the same nature. The most common stand being “Define modifications on a per item basis”. I was impressed with most of the reports given. It was clear that the community was pulling together on this one to really improve the situation for riders of all classes. Safety was the big battle cry from all. The plea was basically made in unison by all. But the plea fell mostly on deaf ears. Ms. Jacobo then collected all the sheets of Manila Paper and said that they will then be forwarded to a Technical Working Group for discussion. And I thought this was the technical working group.
During the Q&A that followed, Mr. Edwin Go of the MDPPA raised a very valid question regarding what will happen now that all the recommendations are being processed by the Technical Working Group. He mentioned that since the AO is under review it cannot possibly be enforced and if it isn’t enforced how will the different agencies be told about it since apprehensions and denials of registrations have been reported due to violations which use the AO as reference. He was me with a rather disappointing answer. Ms. Jacobo said that it is useless to throw accusations if you do not have facts or proof that the law enforcers have actually violated the law. Show us the proof she cries. It’s like answering a question with a question. After a few more questions answered roughly along the same line, Ms. Jacobo called a lunch break and served us lunch then proceeded to close the meeting and left the room as we were eating. Well I guess that ends that.
While the meeting was a good first step towards recognizing MC’s and maybe a small step to the creation of a National Agenda for Motorcycles, I was supremely disappointed at the LTO’s cavalier attitude towards the plight of the ordinary motorcycle rider. There is a total disconnect between what they formulate as law and what happens on the road. There is still some hope tough. The papers have been submitted, recommendations have been made. We have done what we could, legally, and all we can hope for is a fair shake at what is right and what is wrong.
Congratulations to all those who participated and helped, let us not give up hope for we are fighting the good fight.
Materials related to the Workshop will be made available to the public on this site, so watch out for it.


mga sir. pasensya pero tingin ko niloloko na talaga tayo ng LTO.. ayaw nilang makipag tulungan obviously...


this meeting with them i think failed.. biro mo lumabas ang representative ng LTO.. tapus sabi wala ng workshop na mangyayari??


sa bibig na mismo nila lumabas na hindi sila papayag na maturuan sila ng tama, at maiayus ang AO..


i guess, it is time to show force!


nakakapang init ng ulo.

pinapaikot ikot lang tayo ng LTO na yan....

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 06:23 PM
nasayang lang ang effort ng ating mga kasama..


tuloy parin ang hulihan, paninindak ng mga bobong at abusadong enforcers..

yojstamaria
September 10th, 2008, 06:25 PM
@Agent_So,

di tayo sineseryoso eh! Pag matutuloy nyo rally, count me in!. Sayang ang efforts ni sir click_me ginawa lang silang tanga dun

Darth Maul
September 10th, 2008, 06:26 PM
________

...time to brace up on something i think.

:C

Bongs
September 10th, 2008, 06:28 PM
________

...time to brace up on something i think.

:C

kelangan na ipakita sa kanila kung gaano karami ang tutol sa AO nila!

joel21
September 10th, 2008, 06:46 PM
ayaw talaga ng matinong usapan ng mga barubal na yan!

show of force naman ang dapat gawin nating mga riders against s AO n yan!

wildcats1369
September 10th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Noise barrage na ng ating mga busina at loud pipes dun mismo sa harap ng LTO.

Wala na they are not serious at all.
Though i think highly of our warriors im also disappointed in then ng hindi sila umalma ng sabihin na walang workshop na mangyayari, dapat siguro kahit papano nagsalita sila. Feeling ko kasi pinaasa lang tyu na parang bata e.

Guys 100% walang pakialam ang LTO sa motorista, at hindi sila makukuha sa DUE PROCESS na pinagmamalaki nila.

boyboy
September 10th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Drastic measures na kailangan dito:eek:.. ano sa palagay nyo ?! Seryoso talaga sila at sarado ang kanilang pang unawa sa bagay na ito..:o Sir CLICK_ME ano na next step ??:? kahit ano sabihin nyo lang.

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 06:55 PM
kung papatagalin pa toh, eh pagtatawanan lang tayo lalo ng mga nasa LTO na yan..


pababain si suansing pati mga bobo nyang alipores!



mga sir. lets get organize.. lets mobilize our clubs to join this rally...

vicfirthph
September 10th, 2008, 07:03 PM
rally na yan, kawawa naman mga nahuhuli nila motorista eh... kawawa naman mga motoristang kinokotongan nang dahil dyan...hahayaan na ba nating ganito na lang? mag rally na tayo! .... yahoo! sayaw sayaw :banana:

IronWolf
September 10th, 2008, 07:17 PM
I would love to go to the rally. Basta dapat organize ito, sa dami nating bikers yung tipong kayang isara ang East Ave.

For the meantime, equip yourselves with informations. Remember the name Ms. Daisy Jacobo (Chief of the Traffic Safety Division) and her imaginary Technical Working Group... remember that she will still discuss this with them.

Do not raise your voice when apprehended. Be cool mga brothers.

Numero_Uno
September 10th, 2008, 07:18 PM
Noise barrage na ng ating mga busina at loud pipes dun mismo sa harap ng LTO.

Wala na they are not serious at all.
Though i think highly of our warriors im also disappointed in then ng hindi sila umalma ng sabihin na walang workshop na mangyayari, dapat siguro kahit papano nagsalita sila. Feeling ko kasi pinaasa lang tyu na parang bata e.

Guys 100% walang pakialam ang LTO sa motorista, at hindi sila makukuha sa DUE PROCESS na pinagmamalaki nila.

ako nuon pa, alam kong wala din mangyayari sa paasa ng lto stin! Rally na tyo! wag na ksing duduwag duwag!

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 07:21 PM
yun din feeling ko.. since nakipag dialouge nga sila.. hindi man lang sinuspend ang AO.. dun palang makikita mo hindi sila seryoso... hindi sila makikinig.. at pinapaikot lang tayo, para lalo pa sila makaperwisyo sa mga riders...

VASILI
September 10th, 2008, 07:22 PM
kailangan maulit yun rally dati tsk tsk napakalaking bagay neto buong pinas

wildcats1369
September 10th, 2008, 07:25 PM
The wait is over. its time to show some force.

Will the MCPF organize a rally?

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 07:26 PM
how about Sept 15 2008, Monday!


first day of the week.. simulan natin bulabugin ang unang araw nila!


i hope leaders and majority of riders will support this!

skagen
September 10th, 2008, 07:35 PM
nakaka disapoint naman LTO.. tsk..

mk73mhz
September 10th, 2008, 07:42 PM
halatang binale wala lang yung pinaghirapan nila sir click. Nakakangitnigt talaga.

Set ang date ng rally basta maayos lahat sama na ako dyan bad trip talaga.

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 07:46 PM
how about Sept 15 2008, Monday!


first day of the week.. simulan natin bulabugin ang unang araw nila!


i hope leaders and majority of riders will support this!

joel21
September 10th, 2008, 07:48 PM
time to move forward mga papi....

lets not waste time kawawa nman yung mga mabibiktima ng mga hudas na yan sa kalsada!

CHILL
September 10th, 2008, 07:58 PM
how about Sept 15 2008, Monday!


first day of the week.. simulan natin bulabugin ang unang araw nila!


i hope leaders and majority of riders will support this!


antayin naten ang recommendation ni sir JOJO of mcpf;)

HayateG4
September 10th, 2008, 08:08 PM
lets get it on....inisip lng nila sarili nila obviously they don't know squat...purkit nsa govenment sila they can do anything they please wat a bunch of @#$&le...full force uli...kaya ba nila hulihin tyo riders eh comparing our numbers mas marami tyo sa kanila.no more talks get organized kawawa yng mga baguhan na riders...style ng mga yan mapagtripan lng manghuli pera n sa kanila...now is ms.jabobo looking for proof?yng mga nahuli dayn lumantad at nang kokotong lng yang mga inasign nila n mga "enforcers" which is the number one crook in this country...game na...RALLY NA!!!!!

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 08:10 PM
guys, please link this thread sa mga club forums nyo.. para mas mapadali tayo makapag organize...

joel21
September 10th, 2008, 08:12 PM
if we will rally mas maganda planuhin nating maayos, di yung sugod kaagad.

para kahit magrally tayo me kaayusan din.

i for one want to move this forward.. if rally ang kailangan, rally ang gawin naten!

mbus
September 10th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Rally na lang talaga siguro para seryosohin tayo ng amf na LTO na yan.

theMARKman
September 10th, 2008, 08:14 PM
kapag nagrally magsafety gears tayo para walang makitang butas... full battle gear sa gera!:clap:

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 08:21 PM
syempre sir, gagawin natin toh ng may kaayusan.. kaya nga dito palang o-organize na natin eh.. kaso di ko alam ang proseso.. kung kelangan pa ba tayo kumuha ng permit, etc..


dapat talaga, may tulong din dito ang mga namumuno, or mga nakaka alam..


sana lang supportahan na ito ng mga nakakataas..


kasi, matindi na ang sigaw!


matindi na ang galit ng mga riders!


baka kung saan pa mapunta toh...


MAG RALLY NAH!

EagleOne
September 10th, 2008, 08:29 PM
this is my own opinion regarding this matter. let's find-out when is the next meeting with the LTO, then instead of representative lang ang pupunta sa meeting, well i guess we all have to go, a big force lurking outside the LTO office while the negotiating panel is inside, i guess with that force outside maybe they wouldn't walkout on us, hence they will bargain:evil:

When diplomacy fails, it's time to for a brute force!!!

oh by the way, the idea of nationwide rally is good! whoever thought about that...

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 08:34 PM
this is my own opinion regarding this matter. let's find-out when is the next meeting with the LTO, then instead of representative lang ang pupunta sa meeting, well i guess we all have to go, a big force lurking outside the LTO office while the negotiating panel is inside, i guess with that force outside maybe they wouldn't walkout on us, hence they will bargain:evil:

When diplomacy fails, it's time to for a brute force!!!

oh by the way, the idea of nationwide rally is good! whoever thought about that...


Sir nice idea, pero panu kung next month nanaman ang sked? imagine nalang sir yung mga taong nahaharras ng mga enforcer nila. lalong lalo na yung mga walang alam sa right nila.. at sa nagaganap na workshop kuno with LTO...


sa pag kakaintindi ko sir sa post sa MCP site, eh wala ng sunod.. kasi diba hinati hati sila sa groupo. then, pinagsulat sa manila paper, then pass you paper sabi ni ms jocobo, then batsi..

at bahala na raw ang kanilang Technical working group.


so i guess, wala na..


di na kaya makapag antay ng mga riders..

Ajikhrys
September 10th, 2008, 08:34 PM
syempre sir, gagawin natin toh ng may kaayusan.. kaya nga dito palang o-organize na natin eh.. kaso di ko alam ang proseso.. kung kelangan pa ba tayo kumuha ng permit, etc..


dapat talaga, may tulong din dito ang mga namumuno, or mga nakaka alam..


sana lang supportahan na ito ng mga nakakataas..


kasi, matindi na ang sigaw!


matindi na ang galit ng mga riders!


baka kung saan pa mapunta toh...


MAG RALLY NAH!

kukuha ng permit sa kanila din ang daan nyan mahaharang pa yan at makkaaisp pa sila ng mga loopholes para satin dyan . . .kailangan pa bang magpaalam bago magalit . ..(magagalit ako pwede po ba)

this is a free country total democracy sila ba nagpapalam satin na gagamitin muna nila ang kaban ng bayan para makabili sila ng mumurahinf SUV nila . . .i think permits are nonesense . . . . . .parang nakagisa tayo sa sariling mantika nun . . .paapsok tayo sa trap nila although nakaisip na sila ng pangkontra sa gagawin natin deym f@ck LTO f@ck them all :I:angry::pissed:

yojstamaria
September 10th, 2008, 08:35 PM
this is my own opinion regarding this matter. let's find-out when is the next meeting with the LTO, then instead of representative lang ang pupunta sa meeting, well i guess we all have to go, a big force lurking outside the LTO office while the negotiating panel is inside, i guess with that force outside maybe they wouldn't walkout on us, hence they will bargain:evil:

When diplomacy fails, it's time to for a brute force!!!

oh by the way, the idea of nationwide rally is good! whoever thought about that...


I would agree dito.. dun tayo magrally.. Sept 15 is too soon to organize a big thing..

Ayaw nila seryosohin representatives natin sa meeting? How about tayong lahat??

Pero pano kung wala nang meeting or next 2000 years pa yung meeting?

Ajikhrys
September 10th, 2008, 08:38 PM
this is my own opinion regarding this matter. let's find-out when is the next meeting with the LTO, then instead of representative lang ang pupunta sa meeting, well i guess we all have to go, a big force lurking outside the LTO office while the negotiating panel is inside, i guess with that force outside maybe they wouldn't walkout on us, hence they will bargain:evil:

When diplomacy fails, it's time to for a brute force!!!

oh by the way, the idea of nationwide rally is good! whoever thought about that...

i agree din dito as far as I know madaling mabaluktot pag konti lang ang walis tingting . .pero kung marami kahit si tinykid hindi to mababaluktot . . .kelan ba ulit ang meeting why dont we join them there and park outside parang backup

roqs
September 10th, 2008, 08:52 PM
antayin naten ang recommendation ni sir JOJO of mcpf;)

Mga Bro's relax lang, can i please give my opinion... why not consult a lawyer who is well verse pagdating sa mga batas ng Transportation. kung sa tingin ng lawyer meron tayong valid reason why not file a temporary hold order sa korte... let us fight sa pamamagitan ng balpen, baka mas effectibo ito.

ako rin naman fist off din ako sa AO it is really one sided at halatang hindi bike lover ang author nun, tingin kopa eh galit sya sa mga nakamotor, isa ito sa dapat tingnan ng lawyer ang pagkatao ng author at merong mga taong galit sa nagmo-motor. they should know na tayo ay mga mc lover not “motorcycle criminals"

we spent hard earned money para mapaganda ang mc natin at the same time ay in perfect condition in other words safe ang motor at all time.

yon namang dahilan ng LTO tulad ng mga aksidente I believe na wlang rider na gustong maaksidente sa sitwasyong parating lugi mabanga o makabanga, why not tignan kung ano ang dahilan ng mga aksidenteng ito kung sino ang may sala ang motor ba o ang rider itself or ang bumanga o nabanga.

SAlamat mga Bro.

click_me
September 10th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Sirs,

Thank you po sa supporta nyo sa amin...

Discussions are underway and we are already talking to several entities regarding the next step...

Wag lang po tayong padalos dalos...

We will do what we have to do... Organization is the key...

Once we have established the right time and action to be taken, we will inform all of you...

For now, a general assembly by the MAP and MRO will take place soon and we will all have a chance to air our thoughts and suggestions...

A full and detailed report on the workshop can be found here:

http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140936

Pag pasensyahan nyo na lang po kung mejo emotional ako dito...

Ajikhrys
September 10th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Sirs,

Thank you po sa supporta nyo sa amin...

Discussions are underway and we are already talking to several entities regarding the next step...

Wag lang po tayong padalos dalos...

We will do what we have to do... Organization is the key...

Once we have established the right time and action to be taken, we will inform all of you...

For now, a general assembly by the MAP and MRO will take place soon and we will all have a chance to air our thoughts and suggestions...

A full and detailed report on the workshop can be found here:

http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140936

Pag pasensyahan nyo na lang po kung mejo emotional ako dito...

ok lang sir . . i think its ok kasi first person andyan ka sir . . and you really is the one and among the others na nakadama ng ganyan sir. . still we support po sir. .

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 09:06 PM
nalulungkot talaga ako sa ginawa sa inyo sir click_me,

malinaw na ginawa lang kayong tanga sa so called workshop nila..

at lumabas narin sa bibig nya, na waste of time lang kayo dun..



sir, kung anu pa man sana, ipakita na natin sa kanila na dismayado ang karamihan sa kahinatnan ng workshop.. ginawa nila tayong tanga.. pinaasa..

XyCortez
September 10th, 2008, 09:10 PM
@ Sir Click_me

Sir i really admired you and your comrades, your a hero among of us.. but my question is? what will happen next?

LTO is killing our rights.. many of our brother had fell victims by this A.O. Ayoko naman umabot sa punto na mag-rally tayong mga riders.. pero nung nabasa ko post mo bout sa outcome ng so-called workshop na pinagmukha lang kayong tanga ng mga officials ng L.T.O. na wala namang alam sa motorcycle eh nagngitngit talaga ako..hihintayin nalang po ba naten na patayin nila ang bagay na nagpapasaya sa atin? Which is riding OUR Bike?

padyakero
September 10th, 2008, 09:19 PM
saludo po ako sa mga pumunta sa lto in behalf of the riding community...galit po ako dahil di kayo binigyan ni miss lto sa inyonng presentasyon.kawawa po angmaliliit na rider na nag ipon ng pera para mapaganda at ma upgrade ang motor...tapos huhulihin lang at magmumulta pa ng mahal pa.at kailangan ibalik pa sa stock ang motor,panibagong gastos ulit na kung iisipin kaya tayo nagmomotor para makatipid sa pang araw araw, sana po mag rally tayo para po makita nila kung gaano tayo karami at kung gaano tayo ka organisado...salamat po sa inyo..

yojstamaria
September 10th, 2008, 09:28 PM
sana isali na rin sa Olympics ang corruption para may gold medal na tayo

joel21
September 10th, 2008, 09:43 PM
Marami naman pala ang asar dito kay swarding baka dapat nga gumawa na talaga tayo ng ingay laban sa kanya at sa mga bobo nyang patakaran..

tutal masyado na syang nagpapaKSP...

Suansing vs. Nograles

Suansing vs. Bayani

Suansing vs. MOTORCYCLE RIDERS OF THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!!!

litodelaflor
September 10th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Abang-abang lang ako, pag natuloy ang rebolusyon- doblehin ko effort ko compare nung helmet rally. Excited na ako!!! :evil::evil::evil:

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 09:50 PM
sir click_me,


can i ask your permission na post ko rin po dito yung account nyo sa nangyaring moro moro? ok lang po ba quote ko lang po dito?

click_me
September 10th, 2008, 10:06 PM
sir click_me,


can i ask your permission na post ko rin po dito yung account nyo sa nangyaring moro moro? ok lang po ba quote ko lang po dito?



Link mo na lang para di mag mukhang flooding or spamming...

Agent_So
September 10th, 2008, 10:09 PM
ok sir.. thanks! personally sir, anu po plano nyo? sa inyo lang ha.. your thoughts...

xyphrus
September 10th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Subscribing and waiting...

abercrombie
September 10th, 2008, 10:21 PM
rally? pwede....


sino mag o organize?

mas marami mas maigi..

budidak
September 10th, 2008, 10:24 PM
rally? pwede....


sino mag o organize?

mas marami mas maigi..

korek the time is now, pro dpat lahat ng grupo mag usap muna pra isang bagsak lang ang pwersa at di tyo katawatawa...

click_me
September 10th, 2008, 10:26 PM
I need to consult with our lawyers on this... I've already requested for a meeting so we can discuss other options that are looming around...

We are also drawing up plan C at the same time...

Again... Organization is the key...

filmore
September 10th, 2008, 10:26 PM
mga sir baka naman pag nagrally puro stock na motor ang dadalhin sa rally (joke lang)

tangalin nyo na lang yong mga modification that compromise safety ika nga,,, tapos mag noise barrage, ewan ko lang di si mamansin, sabay burnout,:evil:

dapat sir nong nagmeeting sila dapat may video coverage kahit amateur video lang, or mas maigi may MEDIA Coverage rin, para yong mga taga LTO eh hindi magbackout....

don pangan
September 10th, 2008, 10:27 PM
Next step will be discussed on the next MRO-MAP meeting kaya konting kalma lang mga sir, for the mean time ready your polite arguments with the enforcers on the streets. I personally think that we should maintain our ranks organized kung magrarally man tayo.

If we will call for a general assembly sana makadalo lahat para unified ang ating mga position at ang ating mga galaw. I think sa panahong ito, mas maingat tayo sa mga galaw natin now that we know how the LTO is treating us.

I want to go back on that office with a lot of sworn statements and tickets of unjust apprehensions para isampal sa mukha ni Jacobo kaya mga sir, cooperate kayo sa pangangalap ng ebidensya.

We are about to enter on the next phase of this struggle. Tibayan ang hanay!