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View Full Version : "D" Day for LTO AO.. Sept 10 2008 Workshop with LTO and MRO, MAP, MCPF!!
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 03:46 AM this is the day set ng LTO ang workshop for the AO.. i wish everybody Goodluck..
lalo na sa mga lumalakad nito specially to click_me... although may mga dis agreements tayo, pero i-isa ang ating layunin at nasa puso...
i wish all representatives goodluck and Godbless..
i hope everything will turn out in Favor of the majority of the riders..
sana lang yung mga abusong mga LTO na nanghuli, eh ma tanggal or madisplinary action sa abusong ginawa nila..
sa mga nahuli at natikitan at napagpayad.. i wish maibalik sa inyo ang pera nyo ng LTO, kasi hindi biro yung kinuha nila sa inyo..
sana after nito, mawala na ang ating pangamba, at makalabas na tayo ng ating garahe ng walang pangamba!..
if this turns out ugly... alam na natin gagawin natin.. hehehehe..
again Goodluck sating lahat!
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 03:47 AM paki usap lang po sana sa mga mods na wag na po ito ilipat sa ibang room, kasi hindi naman po lahat nabibisita ang room ng mro, or map....
dito nalang po sana. para maraming makakita..
balitaan nyo kami mga sir.. salamat!
click_me September 10th, 2008, 03:53 AM this is the day set ng LTO ang workshop for the AO.. i wish everybody Goodluck..
lalo na sa mga lumalakad nito specially to click_me... although may mga dis agreements tayo, pero i-isa ang ating layunin at nasa puso...
i wish all representatives goodluck and Godbless..
i hope everything will turn out in Favor of the majority of the riders..
sana lang yung mga abusong mga LTO na nanghuli, eh ma tanggal or madisplinary action sa abusong ginawa nila..
sa mga nahuli at natikitan at napagpayad.. i wish maibalik sa inyo ang pera nyo ng LTO, kasi hindi biro yung kinuha nila sa inyo..
sana after nito, mawala na ang ating pangamba, at makalabas na tayo ng ating garahe ng walang pangamba!..
if this turns out ugly... alam na natin gagawin natin.. hehehehe..
again Goodluck sating lahat!
Sir,
Salamat...
Konting clarification lang po...
MRO and MAP is working with MRC and MCP on this... We sought the support of the other groups/clubs and we also asked MDPPA (Manufacturers) and MDAP (Dealers) to support us as well...
We spoke to MCPF during the course of our preparation, but there has been separate movements on their part...
Also, MCP is a different entity from MCPF...
Again, salamat...
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 03:55 AM Sir,
Salamat...
Konting clarification lang po...
MRO and MAP is working with MRC and MCP on this... We sought the support of the other groups/clubs and we also asked MDPPA (Manufacturers) and MDAP (Dealers) to support us as well...
We spoke to MCPF during the course of our preparation, but there has been separate movements on their part...
Also, MCP is a different entity from MCPF...
Again, salamat...
oh ok... hehehe.. di ko na kasi nasubaybayan nalipat kasi mga thread. anyways.. salamat...
matulog kana sir! at may laban pa tayo bukas! ahahahah
click_me September 10th, 2008, 04:06 AM Nasa trabaho ako...
Diretso lang ako ng LTO pagtapos ko dito...
Now that you mentioned it, matagal na akong kulang sa tulog since nagsimula lahat to...
Meeting sa umaga, study group ng MAP/MRO/MRC sa hapon tapos trabaho sa gabi... :nuts:
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 04:09 AM Nasa trabaho ako...
Diretso lang ako ng LTO pagtapos ko dito...
Now that you mentioned it, matagal na akong kulang sa tulog since nagsimula lahat to...
Meeting sa umaga, study group ng MAP/MRO/MRC sa hapon tapos trabaho sa gabi... :nuts:
hehehe.. for sure laki ng pinayat nyo.. heheheh..
buti nga kayo eh may ganyang determination... ako sa isip palang. hahaha. gusto ko kumilos, pero kulang kaalamanan ko sa ganyang bagay.. pero hanggat may naiisip ako.. nilalabas ko.. shini share ang opinion..
basta, kapag naka ewanan dito sa meeting na toh. asahan nyo ako na makakarating sa rally! ehehhehe
ethan_hunt2236 September 10th, 2008, 07:20 AM goodluck to you sir/s... sana matapos na itong kalbaryo nating mga riders against the abuse AO
cons_fy September 10th, 2008, 08:06 AM Nasa trabaho ako...
Diretso lang ako ng LTO pagtapos ko dito...
Now that you mentioned it, matagal na akong kulang sa tulog since nagsimula lahat to...
Meeting sa umaga, study group ng MAP/MRO/MRC sa hapon tapos trabaho sa gabi... :nuts:
IDOL NA KITA SIR!!!!! Buti na lang may mga tao pa na katulad mo. I could never do something as noble as what you are doing. You're a blessing to all riders!! hehe.. GOOD LUCK LATER!!!
Cgro kung mapunta to sa rally sasama na ako!! PEro sana makuha natin sila sa santong dasalan..
zeke_ September 10th, 2008, 09:26 AM sir Click_me we really appreciate your efforts on this sir. sana maayos ang maging resulta ng workshop na ito at sana mabuksan ang isipan ng LTO. Godspeed and God bless po sa inyo ni sir Don and those who will be with you
Punisher EJ September 10th, 2008, 10:04 AM In behaft of Club 613 & my other club Good Luck po sa haharap sa LTO sana po ay magtagumpay po kayo sa inyong maganda hangarin!
zeus17 September 10th, 2008, 10:09 AM ako din..
in behalf of
The singkit group
zoom
and the greek gods:D
we wish you luck!!
hit hard
fight hard.
hihiihi
we are with oyu in spirit all thru out..
j_caldeojr September 10th, 2008, 10:37 AM Gud Luck po sa inyong lahat hopefully the result will be ok..
Gud Luck..
xcelcorp September 10th, 2008, 11:02 AM Isa kang alamat sir click_me! Goodluck sa ating lahat
yojstamaria September 10th, 2008, 11:08 AM thanks for the efforts sir click_me.. sana di mapunta sa wala mga pinaghihirapan nyo.. my prayers are with you..
sana pagkatapos nito, tayong lahat ang iisipin na lang ay yung daan sa harap natin.. at hindi ang mga buwaya sa gilid ng daan.
kennethkeso September 10th, 2008, 11:50 AM In behalf of WARP
we wish you luck!!!
Fight Fight Fight!!!:g
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 01:33 PM kamusta na kaya ang meeting? nagsimula na kaya??
Bongs September 10th, 2008, 01:37 PM kamusta na kaya ang meeting? nagsimula na kaya??
ano kaya 2nd step in case hindi maganda naging resulta ng workshop?
vhentuts September 10th, 2008, 01:39 PM kung noon ay bad news, sana naman ngayon ay good news na...gudluck po sir click me...
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 01:40 PM ano kaya 2nd step in case hindi maganda naging resulta ng workshop?
if everything fails, well, i think its time to go to street.. show of force.. pakita natin na di tayo gatasan, di tayo tanga, at di tayo papasakop sa mga walang kwentang batas nila!
Bongs September 10th, 2008, 01:48 PM if everything fails, well, i think its time to go to street.. show of force.. pakita natin na di tayo gatasan, di tayo tanga, at di tayo papasakop sa mga walang kwentang batas nila!
I agree...di pa kasi nila nakikita kung gano talaga kadami ang tutol sa batas na ito, kung yun sa MMDA sticker nga gulat sila ang daming umalma.. lalo na dito.
phat_17 September 10th, 2008, 01:56 PM anu na kayang nangyari???
anlakas ng Ulan..
baka mapostponed pa toh..
wag naman sana..
More Power Sir Click_Me... :clap: :clap:
iceman_ccr125 September 10th, 2008, 02:05 PM God Speed Sir Click_me
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 03:36 PM anu na kaya nangyari?
pilyo82 September 10th, 2008, 03:40 PM Any update sa workshop.. Sana positive sa ating mga riders workshop na ito....
LexDMan September 10th, 2008, 03:46 PM if everything fails, well, i think its time to go to street.. show of force.. pakita natin na di tayo gatasan, di tayo tanga, at di tayo papasakop sa mga walang kwentang batas nila!
i agree. ayoko na ng rally sana. pero kapag ganitong issue e sasama ako!:banana:
snifah September 10th, 2008, 04:24 PM ano na update mga papi?
sana BAWAL NA RIN MAG MOTORSIKLO para matapos na lahat!
wala nang modification.
haaay buhay suansing....
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 04:31 PM grabe. naghahalong excitement, thrill, suspense, nararamdaman ko. hehehe. mukhang matagal meeting nila ah.. mukhang nagkakabakbakan na. hhehehe
abercrombie September 10th, 2008, 04:46 PM anung oras kaya sila matatapos..
abang abang na lang muna..:D
vhincee September 10th, 2008, 04:50 PM pa subscribe na din ako para mabilis ko makikita tong thread na to :D
NSCB September 10th, 2008, 04:52 PM well since it is a workshop plus there are a lot of things as far as improvements which LTO termed as modifications to be discussed about...i would be amazed if they've finished in just a short time....which in that case, madaliang desisyon nanaman ang kalalabasan...mas mabuti na yung...slowly but surely...
Punisher EJ September 10th, 2008, 05:14 PM sa mga warrior natin na nagpunta sa LTO para sa workshop kahit anong mangyari sa resulta ng ipinaglalaban natin eh saludo ako sa inyong lahat! MABUHAY PO KAYONG LAHAT
budidak September 10th, 2008, 05:15 PM abangan ang susunod na kabanata....
sana maganda ending nito:)
tawtaw28 September 10th, 2008, 05:15 PM sana binasura na nila yung AO na yan, yung nag isip kasi niyan basura din ata laman ng isip... hays... excited ako sa post ni Sir click_me... kung hindi man nila bawiin, tanggalin nila lahat ng sasakyan na me mods, hindi lang motor...
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 05:38 PM siguro, kung nag file na ng TRO, nung bago palang ito implement, di aabot toh ng sept 10! ehehe
drey888 September 10th, 2008, 05:40 PM w8 natin updates ni click_me
Raymund Mojica September 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM As what other forumers said, to all those behind this fight, whatever happens e saludo ako sa inyo, sana wag panghinaan ng loob in case naging negative ang resulta,
kung anumang kasunod na action, suporta pa din kami
jhaytwice September 10th, 2008, 05:54 PM dear co-riders,
hayaan na natin ang kagustuhan ng chief ng LTO, hindi nya ksi alam yung sitwasyon kung bkit tyo nakamotor... tyo nman ksi lage ang pinagiinitan e! tama lang yung hulihin nila walang suot na helmets when riding a motorcycle, unregistered mc and license. wag lang sana yung mga parts and modification. pano yung carag2 na motor, hayaan na lang din na ganun? sus, pano nman yung mga naka 4wheels na abusado like mga gov't vehicle at mayayamang naka oto na akala mo kung sino sa daan? chief, saludo ako syo! dapat syo patayin....
Super Osram September 10th, 2008, 06:12 PM good luck po kay sir click_me...........
watch mode...........
politipot September 10th, 2008, 06:19 PM subscribing po..para ma update ko ung mga kapatid natin dito sa baguio...
kirbyboy September 10th, 2008, 06:19 PM watch mode din ako dito....
RiderDale September 10th, 2008, 06:32 PM heto na:
http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com/riders-rights/the-lto-workshop/#more-755
Kaizen September 10th, 2008, 06:44 PM congrats...
Raymund Mojica September 10th, 2008, 07:00 PM Nakakapag init ng ulo ang ugali ng Miss BOBOBO na nagrepresent sa LTO
Super Osram September 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM nasayang din pala ang oras, pagod at effort nang mga dumalo dito sa so-called workshop?!?!? bakit ganun ang pagtrato nitong si jacobo sa mga riders na dumalo sa workshop??? It was at this point that things began to turn rather odd. At the start of the presentation as Jobert mentioned that workgroups will be formed after the presentation, Ms. Jacobo suddenly interjected and said, rather sternly, that there will be no more workgroups and that we can continue on with the presentation and that we had the whole venue to ourselves till the afternoon, after which she promptly stormed out of the room. sino ba itong jacobo'ng ito???
workshop on technical issues pero hindi pala sa technical group yung humarap ......... "But the plea fell mostly on deaf ears. Ms. Jacobo then collected all the sheets of Manila Paper and said that they will then be forwarded to a Technical Working Group for discussion. And I thought this was the technical working group." di ba parang nakaka-loko?!?!?
Hindi naman yata sincere ang mga taga-LTO to work hand-in-hand with the motorcycle riding group????
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM There has been a lot of speculation about what was going to happen today September 10, 2008. During the last meeting with the LTO last August it was decided that a Technical Working Group shall be convened a month from the said date to discuss the controversial parts of Administrative Order AHS-2008-015.
The meeting started out a bit late at around 8:45AM with the participants being asked to register before being seated in the Bulwagang Romeo Edu in the LTO Main Office in East Avenue, Quezon City. Ms. Daisy Jacobo, Chief of the Traffic Safety Division, LTO started the meeting by introducing Jake Swann of the MRC and MCPF. Jake then turned over the floor to MRO Chair and MAP Interim President Jobert Bolanos for a brief presentation of the community’s stand on the AO.
It was at this point that things began to turn rather odd. At the start of the presentation as Jobert mentioned that workgroups will be formed after the presentation, Ms. Jacobo suddenly interjected and said, rather sternly, that there will be no more workgroups and that we can continue on with the presentation and that we had the whole venue to ourselves till the afternoon, after which she promptly stormed out of the room. Jobert continued his presentation to the confused audience who were all wondering where the representative from the LTO was since this was a presentation that was designed for THEM.
As Jobert tried his best to continue his presentation, at around 9:15 AM, LTO Chief Roberto Suansing made a rather surprising and sudden appearance. I will not speculate as to who dragged him out of his office but it was a good thing because coming into the theater behind him was Ms. Jacobo herself.
After a few introductions, Asec. Suansing gave a short speech mostly about the general nature of the AO and expressed hope that we can resolve the issue by working with them. After that brief statement he turns over the floor to Ms. Jacobo again who introduces Senior Supt. Dennis Siervo, chief of the HPG National Capital Region Office.
Now I welcome the Supt. Siervo’s candor during his time on the rostrum but I honestly believe that he came out too stern and was berating us most of the time regarding how hard it is for them to implement and apprehend lawless elements. And take note, he used the moniker “motorcycle criminals” a bit too often to describe riders. Though a bit on the rough and unpolished side, I understand where Supt. Siervo is coming from. They are just following the letter of the law since they are enforcers. An audience with Supt. Siervo may be needed at a future time to discuss other matters but for today’s agenda he was, as a popular forum lingo goes, Off Topic.
After a 15 minute break Ms. Jacobo hurriedly went inside again and divided the group into 5 subgroups to discuss the Issues, Alternative Solutions and Governing Body. Any discussion about the presentation was shot down altogether saying that if we were going to have the presentation there was not going to be any Workshop. I honestly felt I was back in Grade School as the group of grown men and leaders of the MC community and industry were made to group themselves into 5’s and write on a big sheet of Manila Paper with Pentel Pens. Honestly, it was a bad bad Grade School flashback. It was at this time that I seriously doubted the sincerity of the LTO to produce solutions based on our recommendations.
After being given 25 minutes to formulate recommendations on a complex issue, each group was made to report, in front of the class, i mean group. The recommendations were mostly of the same nature. The most common stand being “Define modifications on a per item basis”. I was impressed with most of the reports given. It was clear that the community was pulling together on this one to really improve the situation for riders of all classes. Safety was the big battle cry from all. The plea was basically made in unison by all. But the plea fell mostly on deaf ears. Ms. Jacobo then collected all the sheets of Manila Paper and said that they will then be forwarded to a Technical Working Group for discussion. And I thought this was the technical working group.
During the Q&A that followed, Mr. Edwin Go of the MDPPA raised a very valid question regarding what will happen now that all the recommendations are being processed by the Technical Working Group. He mentioned that since the AO is under review it cannot possibly be enforced and if it isn’t enforced how will the different agencies be told about it since apprehensions and denials of registrations have been reported due to violations which use the AO as reference. He was me with a rather disappointing answer. Ms. Jacobo said that it is useless to throw accusations if you do not have facts or proof that the law enforcers have actually violated the law. Show us the proof she cries. It’s like answering a question with a question. After a few more questions answered roughly along the same line, Ms. Jacobo called a lunch break and served us lunch then proceeded to close the meeting and left the room as we were eating. Well I guess that ends that.
While the meeting was a good first step towards recognizing MC’s and maybe a small step to the creation of a National Agenda for Motorcycles, I was supremely disappointed at the LTO’s cavalier attitude towards the plight of the ordinary motorcycle rider. There is a total disconnect between what they formulate as law and what happens on the road. There is still some hope tough. The papers have been submitted, recommendations have been made. We have done what we could, legally, and all we can hope for is a fair shake at what is right and what is wrong.
Congratulations to all those who participated and helped, let us not give up hope for we are fighting the good fight.
Materials related to the Workshop will be made available to the public on this site, so watch out for it.
hay naku, mukhang malabo parin ah.. so whens the next hearing or workshop/
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 07:04 PM pucha, parang lokohan nalang talaga ginagawa satin ng LTO na yan!
Agent_So September 10th, 2008, 07:06 PM ginawa lang nilang bata at tanga mga umattend ng said workshop!
at pucha, di pala sila ang techinical working group? amf! ok lang sila? labo nila kausap ah..
nasayang lang lahat ng pinaghirapan!
ngayon, pinapaikot ikot nalang tayo ng mga yan!
yojstamaria September 10th, 2008, 07:11 PM anak ng.. ano ibig sabihin non? tuloy ang hulihan??? Badtrip! Mukhang ayaw talaga tayo seryosohin ng mga hinayupak na to ah!!
Super Osram September 10th, 2008, 07:16 PM naghahanap lang na pandagdag sa mga gagatasan nila ang mga hinayupak na LTO............... at siguradong maraming makikisawsaw dyan na mga bwayang mmda, pulis at iba pa oras na ipatupad yan......... o baka bukas nga lang ay madami na naman ang mahuli na gamit na mga dahilan ay yang bulok na AO na yan..................... :I:g:vomit:
bones_lee September 10th, 2008, 07:17 PM sayang effort. nakakainis lang:pissed:
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